That's new. I thought just motor and seekers are from Russia. 65% is a very big amount. It was supposed to be a 50:50 share. 65% import means we are just supplying cheap items luke casing, screws. Who supplies the fuel and warhead for brahmos? I hope India has that technology at least
Dude, 65% is far better than 100%.
I never said that 65% is not better than 100%. But, even then brahmos is not exactly Indian, though we unduly take credit for it. Brahmos is relatively easier to indigenise than FGFA. In case of Brahmos, engine can be reverse engineered and seekers have been obtained from Israel. The FGFA engines, however can't be obtained like that. Also, many other jet components are specialized and difficult to indigenise. Why buy FGFA when we can make fully Indian AMCA is the question. 100% indian AMCA is better than 50% Indian FGFA is an obvious logic I am using.
Dude, you missed to read the links share in my last post.
Engine and seeker is under development.
Please don't mix-up every category of fighter jets.
Money is not the question.
The question is technology. Technology is invaluable and that is the reason why countries don't just sell them for money.
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The most precious thing in the world is "TIME". and as of now, FGFA is the economic and efficient way to get the military strength asap.Money is not the question.
AMCA has technology of stealth, sensor fusion and medium payload over a long range. Plain and simple. Tejas don't have them. AMCA is like Tejas upgraded to a much better version.
What is there in FGFA that India needs that can't be obtained by itself? Why waste time and foreign exchange on useless items? If we can get to make FGFA on our own by initial JV and indigenisation over time, then it is meaningful. Else, FGFA is as good as shit:bs:
Why do you want to perpetuate Indian slavery to imports forever?
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Please don't say made by Indians if you don't know the terms of the deal. If you are saying that I should shut up because I don't know terms of the deal, then so should you. By the way, if ToT from FGFA is significant like which can be used in AMCA, then FGFA becomes more about acquiring technology rather than being useful itself. As I have said before, if India has to pay 19 billion USD for technology alone by just buying 1 FGFA, it is still worth it if the technology is worth. FGFA is worth the technology transfer it has.
who said FGFA deal costs 19 billion even without a single piece.
We currently have no indegenious program for complete heavy stealth fighter development. We have LCA program and Amca program is next on the block. So you could say we have learned to make small combat aircrafts. Now we are gunning for middle weight class.What is there in FGFA that India needs that can't be obtained by itself? Why waste time and foreign exchange on useless items? If we can get to make FGFA on our own by initial JV and indigenisation over time, then it is meaningful. Else, FGFA is as good as shit:bs:
Why do you want to perpetuate Indian slavery to imports forever?
as far as Gorshkov , t90 , kilo class , mig29 and mki is concern ...these systems defend us at the time when no other better options were available ....and still going to serve us for next many years..
@Vijyes everyone here is well aware of your skepticism regarding the Su-57MKI and the need for it. All the reasoning in the world has failed to convince you of the overarching need to have Su-57MKI. I admire the tenacity of @TPFscopes who is trying to convince you with valid arguments since a long time ago. But by now, I am certain of the fact that nothing will ever convince you in this matter. So lets just agree to disagree. You can keep your belief (yes it is a belief) that Su-57MKI is a waste of National resources. We will maintain that Su-57MKI is something we fap to at night (at least I will).
What we ask of you is to stop flogging a dead horse because the decision will not be made by us, nor will our thoughts be factored into the decision making process regarding this project. So all you have to do is treat this thread as a waste of time for you and not post here. You don't even need to open the link with the address: "http://defenceforumindia.com/forum/threads/sukhoi-pak-fa-and-fgfa-fifth-generation-fighter-aircraft". Just lay off of this thread and stop derailing it.
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He is getting on my nerves. I expect to see this thread up in the latest replies section when there is some actual progress on this front. Occasional discussions are good but constant ramblings are not. Even the moderators have lost all hope of ever cleaning this thread.
thats a valid point.....
who said FGFA deal costs 19 billion even without a single piece.
The only development partnership costs around 7.2 billion USD, Out of which India has to pay for 50% that is around 3.6 billion dollars.
Further the cost of each unit would be between 90-110 million USD. And as of now India wants to purchase max 100 units of FGFA.
The total expenditure including production line , logistics support and MRO facilities would be around 25 billion USD.
For your kind information, there are lot of ToTs shared in the past but at that time, our developers are not able absorb it completely.
NOTE: Please don't share fake facts. If you don't know, just share you query.
you're are crossing the threshold of stupidity.
Instead of Gorshkov, India could have opted for a refit of the Foch, including catapults. That would be much more capable than a ski-jump. Instead of T-90 you could have had Leclerc, it is under the transport weight and several times the tank that debacle has been. Instead of Kilo it could have been Agosta. MiG-29 could have been more M2000s, instead of MKI it could have been way more Rafale. Not only does France have an export to match Russia, it outclasses it in most cases, especially in support, ToT and timelines.
Can you guess where Brasil is getting its nuclear powered submarine... I can tell you it isn't Russia.
