Sukhoi PAK FA

[TPFscopes]

Will be fully cleared on 15 May

 

[Khagesh]

NOW THAT WHAT WE ARE LOOKING FOR .........................???????????
Government sources said almost all the ground work has been completed to finalise the deal for design of the jet as well as some other critical issues. “The contract for the detailed design would be signed soon and that will be a major milestone. It should be signed in the second half of the year,” a top official involved in the negotiations with Russia on the project said.

Asked whether India has linked the project to full-scale transfer of technology, the official, who requested anonymity, said both the countries are co-developers and India will have equal rights over the the technology.

“We are co-developers. There is nothing called technology transfer in this project. India has equal rights. We will have the wherewithal to continue production. We are equal partner in the project,” he said.

In the negotiations for the project, India had insisted that it must get all the required codes and access to critical technology so that it can upgrade the aircraft as per its requirements.

If there is nothing coming from Russian side by way of learning for us and if we are merely slapping together disparate technology packages from both countries of origin then why must the FGFA be developed in the first place.

Russians don't need FGFA. They have PAKFA.
India can spend the like amount on AMCA instead. This will also rationalize the R&D staff deployed on various projects. R&D staff by itself is a major resource constraint.

If the IAF needs a heavy stealth aircrafts in the foreseeable future then may be they would be a amenable to simply importing a few PAKFA as a stop gap.

 

[scatterStorm]

If there is nothing coming from Russian side by way of learning for us and if we are merely slapping together disparate technology packages from both countries of origin then why must the FGFA be developed in the first place.

Russians don't need FGFA. They have PAKFA.
India can spend the like amount on AMCA instead. This will also rationalize the R&D staff deployed on various projects. R&D staff by itself is a major resource constraint.

If the IAF needs a heavy stealth aircrafts in the foreseeable future then may be they would be a amenable to simply importing a few PAKFA as a stop gap.

Bhai isko idher to ane dey pehley. AMCA ka 1:1 full scale model bhi abhi nai bana.

Once our boys train to fly some SU50s, they will be called in to share some of there experience and will be allowed some autonomy to help build our AMCA much better than it was before.

Tejas was seen as our greatest challenge to build at least a fighter, even though it's an 80-90s design. Since we achieved that goal, and no disappointment faced so far (touch-wood), AMCA will surely be a reality. In fact, many people on this forum doesn't realize this, that from Tejas to directly a 5th gen is giant leap on it's own! We haven't filled the gaps with 4 ++ gen aircraft.

 

[gadeshi]

Another one T-50-8 for your pleasure:

 

[smestarz]

What really can we learn? You are talking like a kid from KG (India) reading books of Russia (Specialised Science) and you expect the KG kid to pass the Specilised science exams?
What experience does India have in plane building? None actually, Even Tejas is not really acceptable to its forces. Now making a plane involves many technologies, including Material, Radar, Engine, Avionics etc etc., Out of these we have no success in most of them without foreign help (read Israel and France) So how can you really be equal partners when you are not contributing equally to knowledge and development? Indian contribution as of now is only money. We want to contribute, but there is nothing we can contribute really.

So I expect the Russians to throw some knowledge and ToT for all the investment we are doing and in return we take PAKFA MKI (FGFA ) and whatever we learn in this we shall use that knowledge to design and make AMCA.

If without this step, even if its 2050, we wont have AMCA. just have R&D does not help, we need people with knowledge and experience to be in that to actually contribute, where we have a serious lack

If there is nothing coming from Russian side by way of learning for us and if we are merely slapping together disparate technology packages from both countries of origin then why must the FGFA be developed in the first place.

Russians don't need FGFA. They have PAKFA.
India can spend the like amount on AMCA instead. This will also rationalize the R&D staff deployed on various projects. R&D staff by itself is a major resource constraint.

If the IAF needs a heavy stealth aircrafts in the foreseeable future then may be they would be a amenable to simply importing a few PAKFA as a stop gap.

 

[smestarz]

By your logic, why cant we just Drop AMCA and go for 7th or 8th Gen Super AMCA? We actually might have the lead in it as Americans, Russians and Chinese are just into 5th Gen, and we can have 2-3 generations leap

If there is nothing coming from Russian side by way of learning for us and if we are merely slapping together disparate technology packages from both countries of origin then why must the FGFA be developed in the first place.

Russians don't need FGFA. They have PAKFA.
India can spend the like amount on AMCA instead. This will also rationalize the R&D staff deployed on various projects. R&D staff by itself is a major resource constraint.

If the IAF needs a heavy stealth aircrafts in the foreseeable future then may be they would be a amenable to simply importing a few PAKFA as a stop gap.

 

[gadeshi]

The first photo of T-50-9 (1-09) that recently conducted its maiden flight:

 

[bhramos]

The first photo of T-50-9 (1-09) that recently conducted its maiden flight:

your image cropped by some body

 

[gadeshi]

your image cropped by some body

Yes, and I know that guy from KnAAZ

 

[gadeshi]

T-50-5R (1-05R) spotted with new type of double-position pylon:

 

[lcafanboy]

Indo-Russian 5th Generation Fighter Program Still In Doldrums

http://idrw.org/indo-russian-5th-generation-fighter-program-still-in-doldrums/#more-134350

 

[kamaal]

Nothing concrete will happen with deal, bcoz we'll hear similar news in december as well.

I can sense that the deal is going nowhere, as there hardly hardly progress made on engine and radar side, plus there is still no clearity on HAL's contribution.

 

[smestarz]

Not sure what is going to happen till it happens.
But seems it might go Su-30 MKI way but with more actual TOT

India would buy some PAKFA to test them (with item 30 engines) and then we MKI ise it and that will be FGFA.
We might get source codes and some tech transfer (about avionics or engine)
If we get a Tech transfer for engine then AMCA should be a different chapter.


AMCA then could either have an American F-414, European (EJ230) or Russian (Item 30) engine with GE F414 in the lead

Nothing concrete will happen with deal, bcoz we'll hear similar news in december as well.

I can sense that the deal is going nowhere, as there hardly hardly progress made on engine and radar side, plus there is still no clearity on HAL's contribution.

 

[gadeshi]

Nothing concrete will happen with deal, bcoz we'll hear similar news in december as well.

I can sense that the deal is going nowhere, as there hardly hardly progress made on engine and radar side, plus there is still no clearity on HAL's contribution.

Radar is not ready???
Are you kidding me???
N036 serial production has started with LRIP-1 for T-50S-1 LRIP-1 in July 2016 in GRPZ (Ryazan)

Отправлено с моего XT1080 через Tapatalk

 

[gadeshi]

The first qualitative photos of T-50-9 (1-09) - Th 9-th prototype has successfully landed in Zhukovskiy after solo overflight from Komsomolsk on Amur!:

 

[sthf]

That is one gorgeous flying machine. Russians make the most beautiful aircrafts. None comes close.

 

[smestarz]

Maybe he is talking abou the Photonic radar which was expected to be part of PAKFA package

Radar is not ready???
Are you kidding me???
N036 serial production has started with LRIP-1 for T-50S-1 LRIP-1 in July 2016 in GRPZ (Ryazan)

Отправлено с моего XT1080 через Tapatalk

 

[smestarz]

Who comes with colour scheme for each plane? Wonder if i can suggest something like Tiger stripes design in the same colours as used for the next Prototype ? Please please please

The first qualitative photos of T-50-9 (1-09) - Th 9-th prototype has successfully landed in Zhukovskiy after solo overflight from Komsomolsk on Amur!:

 

[gadeshi]

More T-50-9 (1-09) photos for your pleasure:
https://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/93417/

 

[gadeshi]

Maybe he is talking abou the Photonic radar which was expected to be part of PAKFA package

ROFAR is a prospective to implement after 2025 and will be possibly a part of T-50M package.
Now we should be happy with GaN DAESA