Sukhoi PAK FA

[Bahamut]

Economic situation in russia is going worst.

I'am afraid without indian funds this program will stall.

No its ok ,there is no recession but a devaluation , industries are having a good growth and govt. has investing more in tech so their is hardly any problem.

 

[BON PLAN]

No its ok ,there is no recession but a devaluation , industries are having a good growth and govt. has investing more in tech so their is hardly any problem.

It's not what I read in some financial newspaper.
When you see the difficulty US has to developp F35, you can imagine russia has the same. But with far less budget (and skill).

 

[smestarz]

I suggest you read some newspapers which make sense.
The American difficulty as of now is not financial, but related to design and technology development. America started the 5th Gen race, the Russians were far behind. When the Americans were out with F-22, the Russians were developing Su-30 and Su-35, The Russians felt that perhaps the technology required for 5th Gen plane need to be more mature. Even Russia was coming out from break up of USSR and almost all developments had come to halt due to lack of budget. This thing now is thing of the past. When the Russians took over Crimea, and EU and USA sanctioned Russia, some of the western financial papers said that in few months Russia will collapse. Are the few months up?

The Russian difficult at present is mainly the engine, izdeliye 30 This is the real engine being developed for PAKFA
The other engine which is being used now izdeliye 117 it is only for Testing. It is the engine used by Su-35S. So using that engine, they can test the other avionics or weapons which are not directly related to the engine. Skills is never a problem for Russia, If you notice than Sukhoi company has sold more nos of Su-27 and su-30 than Rafales. So, its actually that inspite of this "less budget" they are able to produce and sell more planes than Dassault (incredible no?) and they are having more variants of the plane than Dassault (wow) and further, they are developing and building own 5th Gen plane which unfortunately a developed country like France cannot afford. Developing a 5th Gen plane now will bankrupt France, because they know the orders wont be coming. So whatever "5th Gen tech" they are developing they dont have a 5th Gen plane to put it in, so they now pimp rafale as a "5th gen plane." which it is not. And just to make a point, Sukhoi is also incorporating the 5th Gen tech they are developing into Su-35S, Su-30 SM and other variants so that these planes are the top of the line of 4th Gen planes. The Russians dont pretend that adding 5th Gen tech to a 4th Gen plane will make it 5th Gen unlike the French.

Russians have huge oil reserves and oil is going to be in good demand, now and future. Why would they worry?

It's not what I read in some financial newspaper.
When you see the difficulty US has to developp F35, you can imagine russia has the same. But with far less budget (and skill).

 

[Bahamut]

It's not what I read in some financial newspaper.
When you see the difficulty US has to developp F35, you can imagine russia has the same. But with far less budget (and skill).

There is a devaluation but since Russia produces whatever it consume (mostly), there is less effect. Also the have a lot of reserves so it's not a major problem. The program is on schedule

 

[BON PLAN]

I suggest you read some newspapers which make sense.
The American difficulty as of now is not financial, but related to design and technology development. America started the 5th Gen race, the Russians were far behind. When the Americans were out with F-22, the Russians were developing Su-30 and Su-35, The Russians felt that perhaps the technology required for 5th Gen plane need to be more mature. Even Russia was coming out from break up of USSR and almost all developments had come to halt due to lack of budget. This thing now is thing of the past. When the Russians took over Crimea, and EU and USA sanctioned Russia, some of the western financial papers said that in few months Russia will collapse. Are the few months up?

The Russian difficult at present is mainly the engine, izdeliye 30 This is the real engine being developed for PAKFA
The other engine which is being used now izdeliye 117 it is only for Testing. It is the engine used by Su-35S. So using that engine, they can test the other avionics or weapons which are not directly related to the engine. Skills is never a problem for Russia, If you notice than Sukhoi company has sold more nos of Su-27 and su-30 than Rafales. So, its actually that inspite of this "less budget" they are able to produce and sell more planes than Dassault (incredible no?) and they are having more variants of the plane than Dassault (wow) and further, they are developing and building own 5th Gen plane which unfortunately a developed country like France cannot afford. Developing a 5th Gen plane now will bankrupt France, because they know the orders wont be coming. So whatever "5th Gen tech" they are developing they dont have a 5th Gen plane to put it in, so they now pimp rafale as a "5th gen plane." which it is not. And just to make a point, Sukhoi is also incorporating the 5th Gen tech they are developing into Su-35S, Su-30 SM and other variants so that these planes are the top of the line of 4th Gen planes. The Russians dont pretend that adding 5th Gen tech to a 4th Gen plane will make it 5th Gen unlike the French.

Russians have huge oil reserves and oil is going to be in good demand, now and future. Why would they worry?

With the actual oli price russia don't earn a lot.....

and don't forget the west embargo.

 

[BON PLAN]

There is a devaluation but since Russia produces whatever it consume (mostly), there is less effect. Also the have a lot of reserves so it's not a major problem. The program is on schedule

For exemple 40% of vegetables used by russian customers come from outside.

 

[Bahamut]

With the actual oli price russia don't earn a lot.....

and don't forget the west embargo.

Sir let me explained, the ruble devolution was a step to escape the recession by turning it into a devaluation.
Let us say the price per barrel is 100$ and 1$=25₹.Now suddenly price drops to 50$ and currency exchange rate is changed such that 1$=75₹.Now my income in terms of $ is gown down by 50% but in terms of ₹ it is up by 50%. I use the extra money to diversify my economic base.

For exemple 40% of vegetables used by russian customers come from outside.

The Russia govt. has invested in agriculture and the share of export is going down. Same with other industry like pharmaceutical, IT etc.

 

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[smestarz]

Western Embargo had effects earlier, because the russian customres were used to European products, it was set relationship between European seller and Russian buyer. So when there was an embargo, it did effect the business on both sides,. But then Russia is buying from other source.. Iran, India, China, And these are big suppliers,. Why you think Turkey is cozying to Russia now? Russia has big population (more than france) and big consumption and so, their demand is met by other big countries who have no hesitation,
Rather it helped China and india which now have better demand and export prices became better, In europe you got cheaper veg/. Good for you

With the actual oli price russia don't earn a lot.....

and don't forget the west embargo.

 

[smestarz]

Do you know Russians signed a long term deal with China, i think its 100 billion dollars or so.
So they dont have to worry about it, further there is Indian requirement also, we are not going to be swayed into not doing business with Russia, We even did business with Iran,

Europe and USA did embargo on Iran, how much did it effect Iran?

With the actual oli price russia don't earn a lot.....

and don't forget the west embargo.

 

[BON PLAN]

Sir let me explained, the ruble devolution was a step to escape the recession by turning it into a devaluation.
Let us say the price per barrel is 100$ and 1$=25₹.Now suddenly price drops to 50$ and currency exchange rate is changed such that 1$=75₹.Now my income in terms of $ is gown down by 50% but in terms of ₹ it is up by 50%. I use the extra money to diversify my economic base.

The Russia govt. has invested in agriculture and the share of export is going down. Same with other industry like pharmaceutical, IT etc.

A new 5 years plan? as USSR used to...

 

[BON PLAN]

Europe and USA did embargo on Iran, how much did it effect Iran?

Maybe, maybe that stopped or slow down their nuclear program.....

 

[bhramos]

Which camo looks better?

 

[rishivashista13]

Which camo looks better?

Left one .
Looks cool
And also better camouflage for hiding in clouds .

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[Bahamut]

A new 5 years plan? as USSR used to...

Some what like it, they also have a national manufacturing policy similarly to Japan,South Korea, Taiwan ,India ,China ,Germany etc.

 

[BON PLAN]

Some what like it, they also have a national manufacturing policy similarly to Japan,South Korea, Taiwan ,India ,China ,Germany etc.

with less success. far less .

 

[Bahamut]

with less success. far less .

Russia has just restarted this policy in 2008 and it doing OK as they are yet to be in the phase of implementing the technology in commercial scale .The have increased their research funding and have growing of startup in tech ,it is helping their economy to diversify but in the next 10 -20 years you see the effect to the policy .Japan started it in 1950 and effects showed in 1950.Korea in 1970 and effect in 2000.

 

[gadeshi]

Economic situation in russia is going worst.
I'am afraid without indian funds this program will stall.

In your short mind only.
If you don't know the ways of funding strategic projects in Russia and its economy as well, you should sit tight to not to demonstrate your ignorance publically.
If you want to look at the Russian economy real status you should revise all the Russian mega-projects and mega-buildings which run a proper way without a swet.
And of course please review St. Pete International Economic Forum releases.

 

[gadeshi]

It's not what I read in some financial newspaper.
When you see the difficulty US has to developp F35, you can imagine russia has the same. But with far less budget (and skill).

Russia has not wanted to put different, self-conflicting requirements into one project.
And of course, UAC has no such govt corruption, profit marges, useless managers swarms and their salaries/bonuses as LM does.
So situations around F-35 and T-50 cannot be compared.

 

[BON PLAN]

In your short mind only.
If you don't know the ways of funding strategic projects in Russia and its economy as well, you should sit tight to not to demonstrate your ignorance publically.
If you want to look at the Russian economy real status you should revise all the Russian mega-projects and mega-buildings which run a proper way without a swet.
And of course please review St. Pete International Economic Forum releases.

Be a little bit more polite please.

In your mouth all that is russian made is a mega project.
Like Koursk sub?
Like nuclear plant?
Like concordsky plane?
Like Proton rocket?

Russia was, in 2014, only the 10th world economy, with 140 millions people...
Russian GDP in 2015 was -3.5% (read slowly : MINUS 3.5%), -0.7% expected this year.

You were a great power. And you are living in the past.