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Yes. Not for Rafale, as I've mentioned in the previous post.
But OK for Su-30SM, Su-35S and MiG-31.
MiG-31 could detect and track 15 ALCMs at once and hit 4 of them at once with 4 R-33/S on 130km range with no hassle in the mid 80-s :)
ouarf ouarf ouarf !!
Prove it ! you can't detect ALCM at such a range. It's russian sci fi ?
 

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So when (rather like IF) it will ever fly even on 120km (which is unlikely), then we'll talk about this pseudo-scientific fiction seriousely :)[/QUOTE]

Meteor already has "more than 100 km" range.
We already discussed of that.
A european missile, of 170kg, with stato, is largelly able to match (and in fact outmached) a russian one of the same weight class with classical booster. Elementary my dear
 

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What's the link ?
How many long range missile a Mig25/31 fired operationnaly? zzzzeeerrrroooo or near.
But some were fired over Irak by F15/16....
MiG-31 has demonstrated complete interception approach changes in the 80-s when compact ALCMs have appeared. Earlier approach (which brightest representative was MiG-25P) was to intercept a weapons carrier before its weapons release. But when AGM-86 and Tomahawk have appeared, it has became clear that you cannot hit carrier before weapons release just because it releases its weapons far beyound ANY fighter range.
So, the concept was changed from hitting a carrier to hitting weapons themselves after release when they enter into the fighters combat radius zone.
And the most (and only for that time) prominent example of the new approach were F-14 Tomcat with AIM-154 Phoenix and MiG-31 with R-33/33S. Both could detect any ALCM within 200km radius and shoot it down on 130-150km range. F-14 had better (but times more expensive) missile with 120 (AIM-54A) and 180 (AIM-54C) km range (R-33/33S had 120km) but MiG-31 had much better radar (Zaslon) which can detect any ALCM within 250km radius (upon ~180km for AVG-9).
MiG-31 was world's first fighter with ESA (PESA) radar ever.
It is the documented fact that both F-14A/D and MiG-31 undergone successful trainings on which they have shot down several targets on ranges from 120 to 180 km at once (F-14A in 1986 has shot down 6 targets on 120, 150, 160 and 180 km simultaneousely). MiG-31 has the same trials in 1988 hitting 4 ALCMs imitators on 90-120km simultaneousely.
Now Russians have MiG-31BM with Zaslon-M radar which can attack 6 ALCMs simultaneousely with R-33M (250km) and R-37M (400km), which was proven by a trial in 2004.

While US Navy crews rarely can remember AIM-54 usage for all their career (AIM-54 became too expensive to use), MiG-31 crews shoot down ALCMs imitators on ranges up to 200km on regular basis on regular fire trainings (which is identical to combat ones for dedicated ALCMs interceptor).

It is a shame not to know this interesting true story, my friend :)
 
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So when (rather like IF) it will ever fly even on 120km (which is unlikely), then we'll talk about this pseudo-scientific fiction seriousely :)
Meteor already has "more than 100 km" range.
We already discussed of that.
A european missile, of 170kg, with stato, is largelly able to match (and in fact outmached) a russian one of the same weight class with classical booster. Elementary my dear
So when (rather IF) MBDA will be so brave and honest to name an exact numbers without any "more than" and "about", then we will discuss this.
Now it is advertisement booklet claim only.
 

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This is not a sensor but IR missiles HEL suppressor 101KS-O.

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It suffixes O. So I thought it to be an optical sensor. But as you say it is heat-seeking missile suppressor.. can it rotate 360°? How does it do it? By directing laser beam ?
 

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It suffixes O. So I thought it to be an optical sensor. But as you say it is heat-seeking missile suppressor.. can it rotate 360°? How does it do it? By directing laser beam ?
Suffics O means "Oboronitelnaya" (Defensive) station.
It can turn on 360 degs exactly because it rotates under non-moving sapphire glass bulb.
Sapphire glass has minimal RCS possible from any optical materials existing and is the most clear and heat resistant ever.
IR suppression is achieved by multi-eyed solid state laser (six laser eyes on one rotating platform) which fire their high energy beams according to special programmable algorythm to create stroboscopic laser network which misleads IR sensors, even QWIP ones (but less effective).
 

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Suffics O means "Oboronitelnaya" (Defensive) station.
It can turn on 360 degs exactly because it rotates under non-moving sapphire glass bulb.
Sapphire glass has minimal RCS possible from any optical materials existing and is the most clear and heat resistant ever.
IR suppression is achieved by multi-eyed solid state laser (six laser eyes on one rotating platform) which fire their high energy beams according to special programmable algorythm to create stroboscopic laser network which misleads IR sensors, even QWIP ones (but less effective).
Directional Infrared Counter-Measures (DIRCM) system - that's what 101KS-O is. :wink:



The other electro-optical systems are -

101KS-V forward-looking IRST station (also sometimes called OLS-50);


101KS-U distributed aperture system (much like F-35's DAS);




 
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T-50-6-2 has conducted second flight yesterday under control of Taras Artsebarskiy again.
All flight parameters control data (MROP records) are OK.
Today should be disassembled and transferred to Zhukovskiy (Godrdiy) LII flight test center airbase by An-124.
The next flight will be from Gordiy AB in Zhukovskiy ETA May 10-12.
 

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T-50-6-2 has conducted second flight yesterday under control of Taras Artsebarskiy again.
All flight parameters control data (MROP records) are OK.
Today should be disassembled and transferred to Zhukovskiy (Godrdiy) LII flight test center airbase by An-124.
The next flight will be from Gordiy AB in Zhukovskiy ETA May 10-12.
...and still no pictures! :frown::frown:
 

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Directional Infrared Counter-Measures (DIRCM) system - that's what 101KS-O is. :wink:



The other electro-optical systems are -

101KS-V forward-looking IRST station (also sometimes called OLS-50);


101KS-U distributed aperture system (much like F-35's DAS);




Even China has developed EOTS-86 said to be similar to F-35's. Seems all three upcoming 5th gen fighters will be similar in EWS.
 

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I know we're going OT here again, but thanks to idiots like these we have no choice but to out of our way to correct them.

No of you ask many people here they will say for ench ews on rafale is the best
Who said Rafale's EO apetures are better than all 5th gen planes? I had only shown that how a QWIP/InGaAs-based dual-channel IRST is more effective at detecting long-range targets, as well as have greater capabilities to distinguish between heat variations - being able to detect non-afterburning targets at longer ranges than before.



F-35's EOTS is not dual-channel, hence lesser sensitivity. Plus it's geared toward scanning ground targets mostly. About what J-20 has, we only know it has a certain something - we know nothing about their properties or how good or bad they are. PAK-FA's apertures are obviously better than Rafale.

Rafale's speciality (in IAF's case) is in it's category. Show me a single 4.5 gen plane out there with a better passive electro-optical situational-awareness capability than what is offered by FSO+SPECTRA+WSO (DDM-NG) on Rafale?

You can't. It's the best in it's category.

If that answer is satisfying enough, let's get back to discussing PAK-FA/FGFA. Because this is the PAK-FA/FGFA thread!
 

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I know we're going OT here again, but thanks to idiots like these we have no choice but to out of our way to correct them.



Who said Rafale's EO apetures are better than all 5th gen planes? I had only shown that how a QWIP/InGaAs-based dual-channel IRST is more effective at detecting long-range targets, as well as have greater capabilities to distinguish between heat variations - being able to detect non-afterburning targets at longer ranges than before.



F-35's EOTS is not dual-channel, hence lesser sensitivity. Plus it's geared toward scanning ground targets mostly. About what J-20 has, we only know it has a certain something - we know nothing about their properties or how good or bad they are. PAK-FA's apertures are obviously better than Rafale.

Rafale's speciality (in IAF's case) is in it's category. Show me a single 4.5 gen plane out there with a better passive electro-optical situational-awareness capability than what is offered by FSO+SPECTRA+WSO (DDM-NG) on Rafale?

You can't. It's the best in it's category.

If that answer is satisfying enough, let's get back to discussing PAK-FA/FGFA. Because this is the PAK-FA/FGFA thread!
Su-35S is on par with Rafale on this (cause it has 101-KS elements which is wider and better than SPECTRA), but it has no dedicated TV turret like Rafale has.
So, Rafale's passive suite is just wider in a tools chain.

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Su-35S is on par with Rafale on this (cause it has 101-KS elements which is wider and better than SPECTRA), but it has no dedicated TV turret like Rafale has.
So, Rafale's passive suite is just wider in a tools chain.

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Su-35's advantage is that it has a bispectral MAWS aperture (IR+UV) compared to Rafale's MAWS which are IR-only. It's problem is that it has no DDM-NG equivalent, which means no IRST/TV-like range & capabilities in the side-sectors.







But the PAK-FA's apertures should have all this, and then some more.
 

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Suffics O means "Oboronitelnaya" (Defensive) station.
It can turn on 360 degs exactly because it rotates under non-moving sapphire glass bulb.
Sapphire glass has minimal RCS possible from any optical materials existing and is the most clear and heat resistant ever.
IR suppression is achieved by multi-eyed solid state laser (six laser eyes on one rotating platform) which fire their high energy beams according to special programmable algorythm to create stroboscopic laser network which misleads IR sensors, even QWIP ones (but less effective).
About DIRCM...
Northrop Grumman, who supplied more than 3000 pieces of laser jammers for various aircrafts has decided against it in case of F-35 Lightning. What could be the reason? The heat generated by laser beam affecting functioning of other IR sensors?
F-35 retains DAS though to keep an all round watch.
Can you give some information about 101KS Atoll and China's A-Star ? Thanks.
 

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MAKS: Chinese firm unveils new sensors for J-20, J-31

  • 26 AUGUST, 2015
  • BY: STEPHEN TRIMBLE
  • MOSCOW


A privately-owned Chinese sensor company has unveiled a suite of air-to-air and air-to-ground sensors in development for the latest Chinese and Russian fighters.

Wang Yanyong, technical director for Beijing A-Star Science and Technology, confirms that two systems – the EOTS-89 electro-optical targeting system (EOTS) and the EORD-31 infrared search and track (IRST) – are in development for China’s J-20 and J-31 fighters.

Marketing brochures on A-Star’s booth suggest that the J-20 could use the passive sensors to detect and aim missiles against the Northrop Grumman B-2 bomber and Lockheed Martin F-22 fighter, even while its radar is being being jammed by a Boeing EA-18G Growler. It lists detection ranges for the B-2 at 150km and for the F-22 at up to 110km.

Both systems have completed ground testing in a laboratory, and are now ready to enter flight testing, he says. Chinese combat aircraft manufacturer AVIC is considering integrating the sensors on a testbed aircraft, then could decide to test them on the J-20 and J-31, he says. Operational status is at least a year away for both sensors and possibly longer, Yanyong adds.

A-Star exhibited the systems at MAKS in hopes of attracting buyers from Russian and Commonwealth of Independent States countries, he says.

Beijing tech show highlights advances in Chinese fighter sensors
Richard D Fisher Jr, Washington, DC - IHS Jane's Defence Weekly
20 July 2015



A-Star's EOTS-86 appears to be similar to the Electro-Optical Targeting System (EOTS) that equips the Lockheed Martin F-35. Source: Via Top81 web page


China's Jiangsu A-Star Aviation Industries Company (A-Star) used the first Beijing exhibition promoting "civil-military integration" to reveal new combat aircraft electro-optical systems, some of which may be slated for the country's fifth-generation fighters.

A-Star's booth featured images of a Shenyang Aircraft Corporation J-31 fifth-generation export fighter to highlight two electro-optical systems, although it is not clear that A-Star's systems will equip future developments of this fighter, revealed as the FC-31 at the November 2014 Zhuhai Air Show.

A-Star's EORD-31 appears to be a conventional infrared search and tracking (IRST) system but with a faceted sensor dome; and the claimed ability to detect a F-22. (Via Top81 web page)

The EOTS-89 resembles the Electro-Optical Targeting System (EOTS) of the Lockheed Martin F-35, which combines Forward Looking Infrared and Infrared Search and Track (IRST) capabilities. The similarity includes the use of two tracking mirrors and a flat-facetted optical window, with bottom fuselage placement just aft the radar radome. Such a system was so placed on the large mock-up of the FC-31 seen in November 2014.

The AUEODS system by A-Star uses two wingtip mounted pods that combine a domed IRST with a conventional targeting pod. (Via Top81 web page)

Shown placed on the front starboard side of the J-31 canopy, A-Star's EORD-31 serves as an IRST, similar to the OLS-27 series used by the Russian Sukhoi Su-27 fighter. However, instead of a spherical dome cover, the EORD-31 is flat and facetted. Chinese press reports claimed the system may be able to detect a Lockheed Martin F-22A at 110 km and a Boeing B-2 at 150 km.

Also on display was an image of A-Star's "AUEODS" system, which uses TX-S55 and TX-S56 pods which combine a conventional targeting pod with an over or under-mounted domed IRST. These two pods were shown on a Su-27 on the wingtip position taken by SORBITSYA electronic warfare pods.

A promotional image from A-Star indicated that its new F-80 medium range air-to-air missile may have a ground attack capability. (Via Top81 web page)

Chinese press reports claimed it can detect targets out to 200 km, or 70 km for the F-22A and 120 km for the B-2. The reports also claim it can detect a Tomahawk cruise missile out to 18 km.

A-Star used the 2014 Zhuhai Air Show to reveal its F-80 medium-range air-to-air missile with a unique five flat facet for its infrared/imaging seeker. While its range has not yet been disclosed, A-Star used the recent Beijing exhibition to indicate it has a ground-attack capability.

A-Star's EORD-31 IRST uses a unique faceted sensor dome. (Via Top81 web page)

A-Star's range of products also includes the five-seat German Extra EA-400 turboprop powered light aircraft, obtaining co-production rights in 2013.
Lawmaker: Chinese J-31, J-20 ‘Mirror’ American F-35, F-22
TOPICS:F-22F-35J-20J-31




POSTED BY: BRENDAN MCGARRY SEPTEMBER 29, 2015

A U.S. senator asked Pentagon officials why the government hasn’t retaliated against China for copying the designs of its most advanced fighter jets.

Sen. Joe Manchin, a Democrat from West Virginia, said the Chengdu J-20 twin-engine stealth fighter bears similarity to the F-22 Raptor made by Lockheed Martin Corp., while the Shenyang J-31 twin-engine multi-role fighter resembles the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter design also made by Lockheed.

“What they’ve been able to do in such a rapid period of time without any R&D, do you believe that that gives them a competitive advantage?” Manchin said on Tuesday during a hearing of the Senate Armed Services Committee on cybersecurity.

“I mean, I understand there might be some differences as far as in the software and the weaponry and this and that,” he added. “But they’re making leaps, which are uncommon, at the behest of us, and we know this, I understand, but we’re not taking any actions against them.”

Manchin posed the question to James Clapper, director of national intelligence; Robert Work, deputy defense secretary; and Navy Adm. Michael Rogers, commander of U.S. Cyber Command and director of the National Security Agency.

Work acknowledged that the Chinese “have stolen information from our defense contractors and it has helped them develop systems.” But he said, “we have hardened our systems.”

On Friday, President Obama and Chinese President Xi Jinping pledged to refrain from electronic theft of each other’s intellectual property for commercial gain. on Tuesday, Work was careful to characterize the agreement as a “confidence-building measure.”

“We are asking them to prove to us that they are serious about what they say about what they will do to control these efforts,” Work said.

Manchin didn’t seem convinced that the pact would substantially change Chinese behavior in cyberspace.

“I’m saying we know the J-20 is pretty much mirroring our F-22,” Manchin said. “We know that their J-31 is pretty much mirroring our F-35. We we know this and the cost to the American taxpayers … why wouldn’t we take hard actions against them? I just don’t understand why we wouldn’t retaliate from a financial standpoint.”

Work replied, “There are a wide variety of cost imposition options that we have. They’re developed through the inter-agency and, again, it’s not necessarily tit for tat. It is proportional response and we’re working through all of those right now.”

Clapper then reminded the panel that the Chinese actions in cyberspace amount to cyber-espionage.

“Of course, we too practice cyberespionage,” Clapper said. “In a public forum, I won’t say how successful we are at it, but we’re not bad at it. When we talk about what are we going to do to counter espionage, to punish somebody, or retaliate, I at least think it’s a good idea to think about the old saw that people who live in glass houses shouldn’t throw rocks.”

That comment didn’t sit well with the committee’s chairman, Sen. John McCain, a Republican from Arizona.

“So it’s OK for them to steal our secrets that are most important, including our fighters, because we live in a glass house?” McCain asked. “That is astounding.”

Clapper replied, “I’m not saying it’s a good thing. I’m just saying that both nations engage in this.
 

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MAKS: Chinese firm unveils new sensors for J-20, J-31

  • 26 AUGUST, 2015
  • BY: STEPHEN TRIMBLE
  • MOSCOW


A privately-owned Chinese sensor company has unveiled a suite of air-to-air and air-to-ground sensors in development for the latest Chinese and Russian fighters.

Wang Yanyong, technical director for Beijing A-Star Science and Technology, confirms that two systems – the EOTS-89 electro-optical targeting system (EOTS) and the EORD-31 infrared search and track (IRST) – are in development for China’s J-20 and J-31 fighters.

Marketing brochures on A-Star’s booth suggest that the J-20 could use the passive sensors to detect and aim missiles against the Northrop Grumman B-2 bomber and Lockheed Martin F-22 fighter, even while its radar is being being jammed by a Boeing EA-18G Growler. It lists detection ranges for the B-2 at 150km and for the F-22 at up to 110km.

Both systems have completed ground testing in a laboratory, and are now ready to enter flight testing, he says. Chinese combat aircraft manufacturer AVIC is considering integrating the sensors on a testbed aircraft, then could decide to test them on the J-20 and J-31, he says. Operational status is at least a year away for both sensors and possibly longer, Yanyong adds.

A-Star exhibited the systems at MAKS in hopes of attracting buyers from Russian and Commonwealth of Independent States countries, he says.

Beijing tech show highlights advances in Chinese fighter sensors
Richard D Fisher Jr, Washington, DC - IHS Jane's Defence Weekly
20 July 2015



A-Star's EOTS-86 appears to be similar to the Electro-Optical Targeting System (EOTS) that equips the Lockheed Martin F-35. Source: Via Top81 web page


China's Jiangsu A-Star Aviation Industries Company (A-Star) used the first Beijing exhibition promoting "civil-military integration" to reveal new combat aircraft electro-optical systems, some of which may be slated for the country's fifth-generation fighters.

A-Star's booth featured images of a Shenyang Aircraft Corporation J-31 fifth-generation export fighter to highlight two electro-optical systems, although it is not clear that A-Star's systems will equip future developments of this fighter, revealed as the FC-31 at the November 2014 Zhuhai Air Show.

A-Star's EORD-31 appears to be a conventional infrared search and tracking (IRST) system but with a faceted sensor dome; and the claimed ability to detect a F-22. (Via Top81 web page)

The EOTS-89 resembles the Electro-Optical Targeting System (EOTS) of the Lockheed Martin F-35, which combines Forward Looking Infrared and Infrared Search and Track (IRST) capabilities. The similarity includes the use of two tracking mirrors and a flat-facetted optical window, with bottom fuselage placement just aft the radar radome. Such a system was so placed on the large mock-up of the FC-31 seen in November 2014.

The AUEODS system by A-Star uses two wingtip mounted pods that combine a domed IRST with a conventional targeting pod. (Via Top81 web page)

Shown placed on the front starboard side of the J-31 canopy, A-Star's EORD-31 serves as an IRST, similar to the OLS-27 series used by the Russian Sukhoi Su-27 fighter. However, instead of a spherical dome cover, the EORD-31 is flat and facetted. Chinese press reports claimed the system may be able to detect a Lockheed Martin F-22A at 110 km and a Boeing B-2 at 150 km.

Also on display was an image of A-Star's "AUEODS" system, which uses TX-S55 and TX-S56 pods which combine a conventional targeting pod with an over or under-mounted domed IRST. These two pods were shown on a Su-27 on the wingtip position taken by SORBITSYA electronic warfare pods.

A promotional image from A-Star indicated that its new F-80 medium range air-to-air missile may have a ground attack capability. (Via Top81 web page)

Chinese press reports claimed it can detect targets out to 200 km, or 70 km for the F-22A and 120 km for the B-2. The reports also claim it can detect a Tomahawk cruise missile out to 18 km.

A-Star used the 2014 Zhuhai Air Show to reveal its F-80 medium-range air-to-air missile with a unique five flat facet for its infrared/imaging seeker. While its range has not yet been disclosed, A-Star used the recent Beijing exhibition to indicate it has a ground-attack capability.

A-Star's EORD-31 IRST uses a unique faceted sensor dome. (Via Top81 web page)

A-Star's range of products also includes the five-seat German Extra EA-400 turboprop powered light aircraft, obtaining co-production rights in 2013.
Lawmaker: Chinese J-31, J-20 ‘Mirror’ American F-35, F-22
TOPICS:F-22F-35J-20J-31




POSTED BY: BRENDAN MCGARRY SEPTEMBER 29, 2015

A U.S. senator asked Pentagon officials why the government hasn’t retaliated against China for copying the designs of its most advanced fighter jets.

Sen. Joe Manchin, a Democrat from West Virginia, said the Chengdu J-20 twin-engine stealth fighter bears similarity to the F-22 Raptor made by Lockheed Martin Corp., while the Shenyang J-31 twin-engine multi-role fighter resembles the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter design also made by Lockheed.

“What they’ve been able to do in such a rapid period of time without any R&D, do you believe that that gives them a competitive advantage?” Manchin said on Tuesday during a hearing of the Senate Armed Services Committee on cybersecurity.

“I mean, I understand there might be some differences as far as in the software and the weaponry and this and that,” he added. “But they’re making leaps, which are uncommon, at the behest of us, and we know this, I understand, but we’re not taking any actions against them.”

Manchin posed the question to James Clapper, director of national intelligence; Robert Work, deputy defense secretary; and Navy Adm. Michael Rogers, commander of U.S. Cyber Command and director of the National Security Agency.

Work acknowledged that the Chinese “have stolen information from our defense contractors and it has helped them develop systems.” But he said, “we have hardened our systems.”

On Friday, President Obama and Chinese President Xi Jinping pledged to refrain from electronic theft of each other’s intellectual property for commercial gain. on Tuesday, Work was careful to characterize the agreement as a “confidence-building measure.”

“We are asking them to prove to us that they are serious about what they say about what they will do to control these efforts,” Work said.

Manchin didn’t seem convinced that the pact would substantially change Chinese behavior in cyberspace.

“I’m saying we know the J-20 is pretty much mirroring our F-22,” Manchin said. “We know that their J-31 is pretty much mirroring our F-35. We we know this and the cost to the American taxpayers … why wouldn’t we take hard actions against them? I just don’t understand why we wouldn’t retaliate from a financial standpoint.”

Work replied, “There are a wide variety of cost imposition options that we have. They’re developed through the inter-agency and, again, it’s not necessarily tit for tat. It is proportional response and we’re working through all of those right now.”

Clapper then reminded the panel that the Chinese actions in cyberspace amount to cyber-espionage.

“Of course, we too practice cyberespionage,” Clapper said. “In a public forum, I won’t say how successful we are at it, but we’re not bad at it. When we talk about what are we going to do to counter espionage, to punish somebody, or retaliate, I at least think it’s a good idea to think about the old saw that people who live in glass houses shouldn’t throw rocks.”

That comment didn’t sit well with the committee’s chairman, Sen. John McCain, a Republican from Arizona.

“So it’s OK for them to steal our secrets that are most important, including our fighters, because we live in a glass house?” McCain asked. “That is astounding.”

Clapper replied, “I’m not saying it’s a good thing. I’m just saying that both nations engage in this.
A sharp edged forward glasses connection is wrong for IRST, in my oppinion because it creates optical destortions line in the most important 0-0 sector.
Making glasses to stand under a sharp angle to a viewing site is also wrong for the same reason.
And of course detection ranges are weird for the named targets.

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F-35's EOTS is not dual-channel, hence lesser sensitivity. Plus it's geared toward scanning ground targets mostly.
Out of the 6 cameras of AAQ-37, only 2 are dedicated to Air-to-Air scanning. However, it seems to be adequate, considering JSF's advanced data fusion which gets inputs from satellites, ground based radars and AWACS.
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it seems to be adequate, considering JSF's advanced data fusion which gets inputs from satellites, ground based radars and AWACS.
Its OK if there the electronic spectrum is not under attack and there is jamming but is improvement over current US design
 

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A sharp edged forward glasses connection is wrong for IRST, in my oppinion because it creates optical destortions line in the most important 0-0 sector.
Making glasses to stand under a sharp angle to a viewing site is also wrong for the same reason.
And of course detection ranges are weird for the named targets.

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J-20's Chin-mounted EOIRST is an exact replica of F-35's. Moreover, the locations of 5 other apertures are also same !!
j-20-eo-pds.jpg
 

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