Sukhoi PAK FA

[mahesh]

View attachment 7825 View attachment 7824 Another two alien-like T-50 conceptual arts.

Such a good rendering.......... very realistic output

 

[gadeshi]

Another photos from ZSh-10 trials:

 

[BON PLAN]

No, this is just an exibition stand.
Nobody has seen Okhotnik yet except for its creators.

How are you, russian, fund all these programm ??? SU35, T50, supersonic drone, futur bomber.

 

[Bahamut]

How are you, russian, fund all these programm ??? SU35, T50, supersonic drone, futur bomber.

They have big defense budget and a good % goes to R&D and with joint development the cost is reduced .

 

[gadeshi]

How are you, russian, fund all these programm ??? SU35, T50, supersonic drone, futur bomber.

By sovereign emission - Rubbles emitted with material commodities background instead of export earned dollars
BTW, oil and gas export is only 12% of GDP, the rest is technological production, agriculture and IT.
Our technologies and production are at least twice cheapper than western ones with the same or even higher quality and production rates.
And of course, our military sphere is much less corrupted than US or EU ones

 

[BON PLAN]

By sovereign emission - Rubbles emitted with material commodities background instead of export earned dollars
BTW, oil and gas export is only 12% of GDP, the rest is technological production, agriculture and IT.
Our technologies and production are at least twice cheapper than western ones with the same or even higher quality and production rates.
And of course, our military sphere is much less corrupted than US or EU ones

I say "why not" for all except :
higher quality and production rates..... see Proton launcher.
russian military sphere much less corrupt than US or EU ...... but I understand it was a joke (what else?)

 

[gadeshi]

I say "why not" for all except :
higher quality and production rates..... see Proton launcher.
russian military sphere much less corrupt than US or EU ...... but I understand it was a joke (what else?)

1 - Protons are not in service since the beginning of 2015. There were Ukrainian participated rockets, but there are indigenous only Proton-Ms which are all successful.
2 - We have much less absolute budget but pull much more hi tech sciense consuming programs (not only military and defence) than EU and US together and all of them are successful for in times less money.
So it's my turn to ask about your money spent directions, which many of them will be found corruptive in the closer look

 

[BON PLAN]

1 - Protons are not in service since the beginning of 2015. There were Ukrainian participated rockets, but there are indigenous only Proton-Ms which are all successful.
2 - We have much less absolute budget but pull much more hi tech sciense consuming programs (not only military and defence) than EU and US together and all of them are successful for in times less money.
So it's my turn to ask about your money spent directions, which many of them will be found corruptive in the closer look

1) Last Protom M failure is May, 16th, 2015.
before : failure in july 2013, and december 2012. Probably ukrainian furnitures problems....

2) Except we are developping too much programs in concurrency (4 or 5 models of air denial Destroyers in EU, 3 Mistral kind ships in EU, 3 or 4 main battle tanks, 2 medium air fighters, differents kinds of assault guns ....) in don't see corruptive military sphere.

 

[gadeshi]

1) Last Protom M failure is May, 16th, 2015.
before : failure in july 2013, and december 2012. Probably ukrainian furnitures problems....

2) Except we are developping too much programs in concurrency (4 or 5 models of air denial Destroyers in EU, 3 Mistral kind ships in EU, 3 or 4 main battle tanks, 2 medium air fighters, differents kinds of assault guns ....) in don't see corruptive military sphere.

1 - Compare launch statistics for Russia, US and EU. Russia has launched 36 missions in 2015 with 2 failures. How many launches did you have? How many of them were successful?
2 - You have only one active MBT program, the rest are just LRIPs and resales from one country to another Destroyers? That ones whos firepiwer is equal to our 20385 corvette?
3 - You should count the money that your MODs and companies spend for receptions, golf fields, executive cars, luxury appartanents, unnecessary managers salary and bonuses

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[BON PLAN]

1 - Compare launch statistics for Russia, US and EU. Russia has launched 36 missions in 2015 with 2 failures. How many launches did you have? How many of them were successful?
2 - You have only one active MBT program, the rest are just LRIPs and resales from one country to another Destroyers? That ones whos firepiwer is equal to our 20385 corvette?
3 - You should count the money that your MODs and companies spend for receptions, golf fields, executive cars, luxury appartanents, unnecessary managers salary and bonuses

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- Ariane 5 : 68 flights without failure (OK : in 13 years....)
- MBT : Leopard 2 A7 is still in production.
- 20385 corvette : just compare with F100 spain frigate. or deutsh F125 or italian FREMM. (french frigate/destroyers are badly equipped in light AA guns or missile. It not the case of Deutsh or Italian ones for exemple).
- No gold fields for Russian generals ? No luxury cars? no datcha? no vodka bottles? No nice and pretty girls? ....

 

[gadeshi]

- Ariane 5 : 68 flights without failure (OK : in 13 years....)
- MBT : Leopard 2 A7 is still in production.
- 20385 corvette : just compare with F100 spain frigate. or deutsh F125 or italian FREMM. (french frigate/destroyers are badly equipped in light AA guns or missile. It not the case of Deutsh or Italian ones for exemple).
- No gold fields for Russian generals ? No luxury cars? no datcha? no vodka bottles? No nice and pretty girls? ....

1 - Ariane-5 has 68 launches in 13 years??? You definetly are not in space Russians have 38 launches in 2015 only and about 10 in this year...
2 - F-100 frigate is equipped with "short" MK-41 launcher which cannot carry cruise missiles. And cannot carry BMD missiles as well, so...
3 - As I've said, Leopard is in LRIPs and resales only.
4 - Gold fields for Russian generals were in Yeltsin times. Now EU and US MODs are leaders of corruption

 

[BON PLAN]

1 - Ariane-5 has 68 launches in 13 years??? You definetly are not in space Russians have 38 launches in 2015 only and about 10 in this year...
2 - F-100 frigate is equipped with "short" MK-41 launcher which cannot carry cruise missiles. And cannot carry BMD missiles as well, so...
3 - As I've said, Leopard is in LRIPs and resales only.
4 - Gold fields for Russian generals were in Yeltsin times. Now EU and US MODs are leaders of corruption

It will be difficult to agree together (on these subjects).

Let's come back to topic.

 

[Superdefender]

FGFA deal by Feb-end & why Rafale is going nowhere fast
Posted on February 4, 2016 by Bharat Karnad

Real-life hare and tortoise story. The hare is the French Rafale combat aircraft, the tortoise the slow but steady Russian Fifth Generation Fighter Aircraft (FGFA). The tortoise is about breasting the tape — with the deal likely to be signed by this February end, i.e,, within the next few weeks.

While the Rafale flashily and ostensibly made an end-run around the various onerous procedural and substantive requirements attending on the IAF’s MMRCA acquisition process, when Prime Minister Modi, ill-advisedly, tried to give France and its vendor Company, Dassault Avions, an unfair advantage by publicly committing to buying 36 Rafales off the shelf, the sheer unaffordability of this fast-dating aircraft which, this blog and my writings have been pounding on about, has put the brakes on achieving the deal anytime soon. It is stuck at the last mile, so to say.

This is no bad thing to happen considering there’s no money to pay Paris, which wants the money up-front. Because, consider the vast quantum involved. At the time Rafale was shortlisted, I had alerted the readers to the fact that the final bill will be nearer $40-$50 billion for 126 aircraft and, all told (inclusive of the costs to construct the infrastructure, such as air-conditioned hangars, etc. as have been built for the Mirage 2000 squadrons in Gwalior), a unit price of $246 million billion. The Rs 63,000 crores the Modi govt has set aside for 36 Rafales works out to $227 million per aircraft. Except, France will not permit any Indian-designed weapons, such as the BVR Astra air-to-air missile, or the Brahmos cruise missile, to be integrated into the Rafale. But it will integrate American-sourced armaments, which is what IAF favours! Meanwhile, Russia has vetoed arming the French Rafale in Indian inventory with the Brahmos. So the Rafale is checkmated, rendered a pretty useless weapons platform unless the Modi govt approves the untested Brit-French-Italian consortium MBDA-made Meteor, which is yet to be operationalized, or buys US-weapons which will have MTCR-induced constraints on range, etc., at the expense of Indian missiles that will loosen the reliance on imported armaments.

But trust the apparently strategically stupid IAF and a compromised MOD to push the Rafale even if this supposed MMRCA will end up being completely non-lethal and harmless. The only bit of hope is that the original notion entertained by Defmin Parrikar of buying double the number of Su-30MKIs for the same number of Rafales and minus the cost of any new infrastructure, etc., will under the circumstances, begin to gain traction, especially in light of Russia’s earnest and positive attitude to transferring FGFA codes, flight control laws to India.

The final FGFA deal that is expected to be signed and worth $3.7 billion will involve the fly-in into India of three FGFA PAK FA aircraft for IAF to begin flying them and for TAC-D in Gwalior to begin writing the manual for tactics, etc., and the transfer of flight control laws and open[air]-frame design to enable ADA to modify the aircraft architecture to suit Indian requirements and source codes, including for the fire control system.

But where India’s procurement contracts are concerned, there’s always and inevitably a foul-up, the downside. There’s one in the FGFA agreement as well. The wondrously incomprehensible and myopic aspect of this deal is the rejection by IAF-MOD of Moscow’s extraordinarily generous offer to have its Saturn jet engine design bureau (that resulted from the merging of the Lyulka and Tumansky design bureaus) jointly with Indian counterpart (GTRE) develop a powerful new era jet power plant — something no other country will deliver on and, despite promises, certainly not the technology hyper-protective US. But, as reported elsewhere, India will instead buy the Saturn AL-41 engines whole to power the Indian-modified FGFAs! It fits in with IAF-MOD thinking of keeping India forever tied to the apron strings of foreign vendors.

An astute Defmin would have seen through this and imposed a corrected decision on IAF-MOD. Apparently, that hasn’t happened, even though, one suspects, that given Parrikar’s partiality to economical options and his measured assessment of cost and benefit — as regards, say, the Su-30MKI as MMRCA instead of Rafale, he is the one speeding the FGFA project along.

 

[gadeshi]

Some interesting stuff about Item 30:
http://www.airrecognition.com/index...owered-with-phase-ii-engine-in-late-2017.html
The first flight of the Russian fifth-generation fighter (Russian acronym - PAK FA) powered by the Phase II engine is slated for late 2017, Yevgeny Marchukov, general designer/director, Lyulka Design Bureau (an affiliate of the Ufa Engine Production Association, UMPO), told TASS on Thursday, March 10, 2016.
"If all goes to plan, the Phase II engine’s fight flight on the flying testbed will take place late in 2017, with a T-50 (PAKFA) prototype to act as flying testbed," the general designer said.

"One of the flying testbed’s engine nacelles will house a Phase I engine and the other the advanced one," he added.

According to Marchukov, the Phase II engine is in the prototype manufacture, demonstrator assembly and core engine test stages. The first core engine has been tested, with good enough results produced. The second core engine’s assembly is nearing the end. "We will test the engine demonstrator this summer," Marchukov said.

The general designer emphasized: "The Phase II engine designed for the PAK FA is a Generation 5+ design, even a Generation 5++ one." The engine is 15-20% superior to the previous ones in terms of specific characteristics.

"The engine’s characteristics have been refined through a sharp improvement in the operating cycle parameters, efficiency of units and introduction of advanced technologies and materials in the first place. It features higher thrust and a sizeable reduction in specific fuel consumption in virtually all operating modes, i.e. not only in the cruising range mode, but in the acceleration and afterburning modes as well - the modes the aircraft is normally flown in. This implies a life cycle cost reduction," the general designer explained. "In addition, a hefty specific weight reduction through advanced technologies and materials has been planned."

According to Marchukov, "there have been difficulties in the development of the advanced engine, because not all of the materials have been certificated, and we may not use them for now. Therefore, the early prototypes will be somewhat different to the ones used in the official trials. We are working on the powerplant in cooperation with the plane’s designers, including the work on the air intake, because it is an all-new engine designed to remain in service for 30 years at the least."

"We plan to use the advanced engine’s core engine to derive a whole spectrum of advanced powerplants for aviation and power generation applications," the general designer concluded.

© Copyright 2015 TASS. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.

 

[gadeshi]

And another one (in Russian):
http://zhukvesti.info/articles/detail/38421/

 

[gadeshi]

And another little info in Russian:
http://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/75459/

 

[BON PLAN]

Some interesting stuff about Item 30:
http://www.airrecognition.com/index...owered-with-phase-ii-engine-in-late-2017.html
The first flight of the Russian fifth-generation fighter (Russian acronym - PAK FA) powered by the Phase II engine is slated for late 2017, Yevgeny Marchukov, general designer/director, Lyulka Design Bureau (an affiliate of the Ufa Engine Production Association, UMPO), told TASS on Thursday, March 10, 2016.
"If all goes to plan, the Phase II engine’s fight flight on the flying testbed will take place late in 2017, with a T-50 (PAKFA) prototype to act as flying testbed," the general designer said.

"One of the flying testbed’s engine nacelles will house a Phase I engine and the other the advanced one," he added.

According to Marchukov, the Phase II engine is in the prototype manufacture, demonstrator assembly and core engine test stages. The first core engine has been tested, with good enough results produced. The second core engine’s assembly is nearing the end. "We will test the engine demonstrator this summer," Marchukov said.

The general designer emphasized: "The Phase II engine designed for the PAK FA is a Generation 5+ design, even a Generation 5++ one." The engine is 15-20% superior to the previous ones in terms of specific characteristics.

"The engine’s characteristics have been refined through a sharp improvement in the operating cycle parameters, efficiency of units and introduction of advanced technologies and materials in the first place. It features higher thrust and a sizeable reduction in specific fuel consumption in virtually all operating modes, i.e. not only in the cruising range mode, but in the acceleration and afterburning modes as well - the modes the aircraft is normally flown in. This implies a life cycle cost reduction," the general designer explained. "In addition, a hefty specific weight reduction through advanced technologies and materials has been planned."

According to Marchukov, "there have been difficulties in the development of the advanced engine, because not all of the materials have been certificated, and we may not use them for now. Therefore, the early prototypes will be somewhat different to the ones used in the official trials. We are working on the powerplant in cooperation with the plane’s designers, including the work on the air intake, because it is an all-new engine designed to remain in service for 30 years at the least."

"We plan to use the advanced engine’s core engine to derive a whole spectrum of advanced powerplants for aviation and power generation applications," the general designer concluded.

© Copyright 2015 TASS. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.

after gen 4+, gen 4++, gen 4,5 ....

Now gen 5+ and gen 5++.

What a mess. All that for marketing reason only.

 

[gadeshi]

after gen 4+, gen 4++, gen 4,5 ....

Now gen 5+ and gen 5++.

What a mess. All that for marketing reason only.

No.
Generations defined accirding to some qualifiers and compliance to those qualifiers defines engine gen.

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[john70]

The English translation of article.
This is a good news. The engine will be 15-20% better in most Parameters.

http://zhukvesti.info/articles/detail/38421/

The waiting for a new engine for the fighter T-50
It is planned that the flight test "article 30" engine will begin in a year and a half



At specialized domestic and foreign websites widely discussed information about the timing of the start of flight tests "article 30" long-term domestic engine, intended for installation on military aircraft. The first perspective is planned to install the engine on the fifth-generation fighter T-50, which is currently undergoing flight tests. New aircraft engine is also referred to as "the engine of the second stage" for the machine T-50.

According to the chief designer - Director engine-OKB. A.Lyulki (a branch of the Ufa Engine Plant) Eugene Marchukova, the first flight of the T-50 (Sukhoi PAK FA) with the "engine of the second stage" will be held in late 2017 or early 2018, with machine T-50 It will be used as a flying laboratory.

According E.Marchukova prototype "of the second stage engine" for the T-50 is in production and is being tested on the stand of the inner loop of this promising turbofans. Ground test demonstrator engine will begin this summer. According to its characteristics "article 30" will exceed the set is now on the T-50 engine "product 117" (AL-41F1) by 15-20%. Features of the power plant increased due to a sharp improvement in the operating cycle parameters efficiency units, new construction materials is significantly reduced specific fuel consumption (not only in cruising mode but also in the afterburner mode), and others.

According to the developers, the number of components in the high-pressure compressor (HPC) "product 30" reduced by almost half compared to the previous stage of the compressor motor (AL-41F1), while providing a significant increase in work at one stage. The cost of manufacturing such a compressor will not exceed the production of the fourth generation of HPC cost of the engine (the AL-41F1) subject to the application of new materials and technologies. The new engine for T-50 (PAK FA) composites are used, which are constructed not only in a polymer matrix to the cold side, as well as details of the compositions formed from high temperature.

KB-integrator for engine development "article 30" is a branch of PJSC "Ufa Engine Industrial Association" (UMPO) - OKB. A.Lyulki. In co-operation to create a "product 30" also involved the Moscow JSC "NTC Gas Turbine" Salute "and JSC" NPP "Motor" (Ufa). Also involved in the work of experts Rybinsk NPO "Saturn", included in the PJSC "United Engine Building Corporation". The lead manufacturer serial "engines of the second stage of the" T-50 defined UMPO.

 

[gadeshi]

Sukhoi and OAK have started to build a first LRIP (stand-up batch) of T-50 for VKS and IAF:
http://www.interfax.ru/russia/421151