Sukhoi PAK FA

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In 2015, tests will be released three fifth-generation fighter

in 2015 will test three new machines T-50, produced by the program a fifth generation fighter "Sukhoi PAK FA" (PAK FA). Told "Lente.ru" a source in the defense industry. According to the source, the program develops in the chart, despite the break with the conclusion of the test on the new fighter prototype last year. However, in 2015 to begin testing three new flight instance. "In 2014, the new machines to the test is not passed. This was due to the fact that the structure of the aircraft were made "‹"‹to refine the results of tests of the first five machines built before, "- said the source. The fighter T-50 produced in the Sukhoi PAK FA program, first took to the skies in 2010. Since February 2014 Fighter program passes state joint tests. At the moment, the number of copies of the flight to five machines. Serial deliveries of the aircraft to the troops to begin in 2016. Earlier it was reported that the current state armaments program for delivery of the Air Force 60 production aircraft PAK FA program until 2020.Ð’ 2015 году на испытания выйдут еще три истребителя пятого поколения: Оружие: Силовые структуры: Lenta.ru

 

[Kunal Biswas]

Budget allocation for Air-force, Source Broadsword ..

 

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[akshay m]

we havent seen the internal weapon of pak fa
but here's the internal weapon housing of the berkut

 

[Lone Ranger]

Budget allocation for Air-force, Source Broadsword ..

You missed LCH from this Admin

 

[Lions Of Punjab]

RUSSIA READY TO LAUNCH FIFTH GENERATION FIGHTER SERIAL PRODUCTION — DEPUTY MINISTER


KOMSOMOLSK-ON-AMUR: The Russian Defense Ministry may adjust the order for the T-50 fifth-generation fighters (PAK FA) in the new economic situation with taking into account the Sukhoi Su-35 high flight characteristics, Deputy Defense Minister Yuri Borisov said on Monday.

"It would be better for us to have a reserve of PAK-FA and the possibility to move ahead in the future to using the 4+ fighters' [Su-30 and Su-35] capabilities to the maximum," the deputy minister said.

He also said that the Komsomolsk-on-Amur-based plant in the Russian Far East that is so far making the PAK-FA prototype models is ready to launch the aircraft series production. "According to the next year plans, we should have the first delivery of the series fifth-generation fighters," Borisov said during a visit to the plant.

"Most importantly, I can say that the fighter has been a success," he said."

According to Borisov, the Defense Ministry within the adjustment of the state armaments program reserves the right to determine the number of fifth-generation fighters for purchase, so the initial plans may be corrected.

The PAK FA (literally "Prospective Airborne Complex of Frontline Aviation") is a fifth-generation fighter programme of the Russian Air Force. The T-50 is the aircraft designed by Sukhoi for the PAK FA programme. The aircraft is a stealthy, single-seat, twin-engine jet fighter, and will be the first operational aircraft in Russian service to use stealth technology. It is a multirole combat aircraft designed for the air superiority and ground attack functions.

The series deliveries of the PAK-FA fighters to the troops are to begin in 2016. According to data as of late 2014, five such fighters were assembled and three more were in the process of manufacturing. By 2020, the Russian Air Force is to receive 55 T-50 fighters, according to Russia's United Aircraft Corporation.

TASS: Russia - Russia ready to launch fifth generation fighter serial production — deputy minister

 

[Lions Of Punjab]

RUSSIA READY TO LAUNCH FIFTH GENERATION FIGHTER SERIAL PRODUCTION — DEPUTY MINISTER


KOMSOMOLSK-ON-AMUR: The Russian Defense Ministry may adjust the order for the T-50 fifth-generation fighters (PAK FA) in the new economic situation with taking into account the Sukhoi Su-35 high flight characteristics, Deputy Defense Minister Yuri Borisov said on Monday.

"It would be better for us to have a reserve of PAK-FA and the possibility to move ahead in the future to using the 4+ fighters' [Su-30 and Su-35] capabilities to the maximum," the deputy minister said.

He also said that the Komsomolsk-on-Amur-based plant in the Russian Far East that is so far making the PAK-FA prototype models is ready to launch the aircraft series production. "According to the next year plans, we should have the first delivery of the series fifth-generation fighters," Borisov said during a visit to the plant.

"Most importantly, I can say that the fighter has been a success," he said."

According to Borisov, the Defense Ministry within the adjustment of the state armaments program reserves the right to determine the number of fifth-generation fighters for purchase, so the initial plans may be corrected.

The PAK FA (literally "Prospective Airborne Complex of Frontline Aviation") is a fifth-generation fighter programme of the Russian Air Force. The T-50 is the aircraft designed by Sukhoi for the PAK FA programme. The aircraft is a stealthy, single-seat, twin-engine jet fighter, and will be the first operational aircraft in Russian service to use stealth technology. It is a multirole combat aircraft designed for the air superiority and ground attack functions.

The series deliveries of the PAK-FA fighters to the troops are to begin in 2016. According to data as of late 2014, five such fighters were assembled and three more were in the process of manufacturing. By 2020, the Russian Air Force is to receive 55 T-50 fighters, according to Russia's United Aircraft Corporation.

TASS: Russia - Russia ready to launch fifth generation fighter serial production — deputy minister

 

[Alvaritus]

Russian Deputy Defense Minister Hints at smaller order for Pak-Fa (idrw.org/archives/60860#more-60860)

The Russian Defense Ministry may adjust the order for the T-50 fifth-generation fighters (PAK FA) in the new economic situation with taking into account the Sukhoi Su-35 high flight characteristics, Deputy Defense Minister Yuri Borisov said on Monday.

"It would be better for us to have a reserve of PAK-FA and the possibility to move ahead in the future to using the 4+ fighters' [Su-30 and Su-35] capabilities to the maximum," the deputy minister said.

He also said that the Komsomolsk-on-Amur-based plant in the Russian Far East that is so far making the PAK-FA prototype models is ready to launch the aircraft series production. "According to the next year plans, we should have the first delivery of the series fifth-generation fighters," Borisov said during a visit to the plant.

"Most importantly, I can say that the fighter has been a success," he said."

According to Borisov, the Defense Ministry within the adjustment of the state armaments program reserves the right to determine the number of fifth-generation fighters for purchase, so the initial plans may be corrected.

The PAK FA (literally "Prospective Airborne Complex of Frontline Aviation") is a fifth-generation fighter programme of the Russian Air Force. The T-50 is the aircraft designed by Sukhoi for the PAK FA programme. The aircraft is a stealthy, single-seat, twin-engine jet fighter, and will be the first operational aircraft in Russian service to use stealth technology. It is a multirole combat aircraft designed for the air superiority and ground attack functions.

The series deliveries of the PAK-FA fighters to the troops are to begin in 2016. According to data as of late 2014, five such fighters were assembled and three more were in the process of manufacturing. By 2020, the Russian Air Force is to receive 55 T-50 fighters, according to Russia's United Aircraft Corporation.

i think would this drive up the unit cost (as of spreading the R&D cost between fewer ACs)
How much would be the price hike per plane, small (about 10%), medium(10-20%) or high (more than 20%) ????
Anyone can estimate this (and their reasoning)

 

[Alvaritus]

where is everybody?????? This tread it's too quiet. Some more news, to spark dicussion:

Grounded? Russia's answer to US next-gen fighter hits the skids idrw.org/archives/61070

Russia's ambitious T-50 fighter plane project was meant to develop a rival to two futuristic US jetfighters, the F-22 Raptor and the planned F-35 Lightning-II.

But now, the T-50 appears to be rivaling the F-35 another way: in development troubles. The Kremlin is slamming the brakes on its "fifth generation" fighter program and cutting its initial rollout to a quarter of those originally planned.

The decision seems a setback for Vladimir Putin's sweeping $800 billion rearmament program, a vital component of the wider effort to restore Russia to its Soviet-era status as a major global superpower. However, the sharp slowdown in plans to procure the sophisticated new jet may represent an outbreak of wisdom on the part of Russian military chiefs, who will remember how the USSR was driven into bankruptcy by engaging in an all-out arms race with the US.Financial constraints are the key reason cited for cutting the military order from 52 to 12 of the planes over the next few years, according to the Moscow daily Kommersant.

"Given the new economic conditions, the original plans may have to be adjusted," the paper quotes Deputy Defense Minister Yuriy Borisov as saying. The project to build a cutting-edge fighter plane, which is partly financed by India, will not be canceled, but held in abeyance while the Russian Air Force makes the most of its existing "fourth generation" MiG and Sukhoi combat aircraft, he added.

No one knows whether technical problems may also have played a role in the decision to shelve the fighter.

"We may suppose there are problems, but hard information is lacking," says Alexander Golts, an independent military expert. "For instance, the prototypes of this plane have been using an old engine, pending the development of the engine it needs. Has that been developed yet? We have no idea."

The only operational "fifth generation" fighter in the world is the US F-22. Its production was canceled in 2009, after fewer than 200 of the hyper-expensive planes had been built. American military services are now awaiting the arrival of the newer and also hugely overpriced F-35, also known as the Joint Strike Fighter, but that program has been dogged with serious delays and technical failures.

The T-50, an advanced stealth plane with many capabilities lacking in previous fighters, has prompted some alarm in the West. The Russians have presented the project as an example of how they are able to leapfrog over the lost years, after Russia's military-industrial complex collapsed along with the Soviet Union, and field 21st century weapons that can rival the best the US has to offer.

Most of the weaponry that's currently in Russia's military inventory are Soviet-era designs that have evolved to incorporate new technology. Only three projects currently in the testing phase have been entirely developed by post-Soviet Russia. They are the T-50, the recently unveiled T-14 Armata tank, and the Bulava submarine-launched ballistic missile.

Recent reports suggest that Russian military brass have also decided to slash orders for the new Armata tank, and instead continue using older, Soviet-designed models for a few more years.

There is no word on the fate of other grand projects that Russian military leaders have claimed to have on the drawing boards. These include plans for a super-sized aircraft carrier that would dwarf the US Nimitz class, andan enormous supersonic transport plane that could deliver up to 400 tanks anywhere in the world.

"Despite all these soaring plans, I think we see a bit of reason taking hold in the Russian military establishment," says Mr. Golts. "Even if there were no economic crisis, and no sanctions, this massively expensive rearmament program would not be what Russia needs right now. Scaling it back is a wise move."

 

[sgarg]

Russia is super cautious these days which is justified. There is pressure on the military budget. There will be cutbacks in new equipment as upgrade of existing equipment become more cost-effective. Russia has no shortage of war stores. The only need is to bring up equipment in tune with modern battlefield.

 

[sgarg]

Russia does not need to imitate the west. Russia needs to develop counters while reducing dependence on western economy.

 

[smestarz]

Russian Deputy Defense Minister Hints at smaller order for Pak-Fa (idrw.org/archives/60860#more-60860)



i think would this drive up the unit cost (as of spreading the R&D cost between fewer ACs)
How much would be the price hike per plane, small (about 10%), medium(10-20%) or high (more than 20%) ????
Anyone can estimate this (and their reasoning)

There are a lot, like
a) Firstly PAKFA will be much expensive than the Su-35S for many reasons, buying, using, maintaining.
b) Su-30 and Su-35 are still new cutting edge technology and not old technology like the ones on 4th Gen fighters.
c) PAKFA is a good plane but then why is it going to be good for? Russia already has new planes for the various roles. Su-34, Su-30 MiG-29 etc

The way I see it, 5th Gen plane are a necessity and more so for the USA for keeping their leadership, but Russia has planes which are able to counter the American planes, but in a way Russia had to counter the Americans with their own 5th Gen planes in order to also keep in touch with technology. So having said that, the development of Flanker family makes it a top plane, and PAKFA comes and takes the spot, and it comes like "Just when Su-35 became something of top plane in the world, there came PAKFA"

PAKFA is not an incremental progress but a landmark one, to explain in word, it is the HIGH End plane, and with that Su-35S became middle end all of a sudden and it makes sense to have more Low and middle end planes than top end planes.

Thus Russia reduced the nos of PAKFA and will rely more on development of Su-35 as the cost of the plane is also low, further having 1-2 squadrons of PAKFA will be enough to tell the other countries as of now to keep off.

Its same case with India, if you look at the fleet, one can see it looks totally confused and inbalanced fleet. We have a top end fighter plane Su-30 MKI which IAF wants to compliment with similar plane profile (Rafale) just by calling it Medium weight.

What Russia actually needs is an affordable single engine plane to be the backbone and that could be MiG LMFS, unfortunately its not there.
Thus learning from this, IAF should also reduce the nos of PAKFA/FGFA to about 100 or so (at least for now) and keep them as the high end planes, and buy more Tejas to be the air interceptor and back bone of IAF, and all the other roles at middle and long range to be handled by Su-30 MKI fleet

If you see, the upgrade of Mirage 2000 was a similar stupid decision, the last of Mirage 2000 comes upgraded when we expect to induct 5th Gen plane, even the ugraded Mirage 2000 will not be as capable as Tejas so why this expensive upgrade which does not give it any cutting edge tech to stand on its own.

 

[Alvaritus]

Its same case with India, if you look at the fleet, one can see it looks totally confused and inbalanced fleet. We have a top end fighter plane Su-30 MKI which IAF wants to compliment with similar plane profile (Rafale) just by calling it Medium weight.
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Isn't There where LCA Tejas and AMCA come in??

 

[Cadian]

Pretty interesting, that modifications for South Korea an Iran are shown.

 

[salute]

Pretty interesting, that modifications for South Korea an Iran are shown.

can somebody explain this,

the image says 144 su50 and 20 fgfa for india,

it should be opposite of that.

 

[Cadian]

can somebody explain this,

the image says 144 su50 and 20 fgfa for india,

it should be opposite of that.

40 FGFA.

I think the graphic itself is very speculative, there even were no statements from officials that SK or Iran would ever buy SU-50.

 

[grampiguy]

40 FGFA.

I think the graphic itself is very speculative, there even were no statements from officials that SK or Iran would ever buy SU-50.

This graphic is not official, its kindda fanboy stuff..discussed a lot on other military forums..have a look.

 

[smestarz]

Isn't There where LCA Tejas and AMCA come in??

LCA and AMCA are complimentary, but with all the mix that is already there, its more of confusion.
Its more like a supermarket

 

[lookieloo]

where is everybody?????? This tread it's too quiet. Some more news, to spark dicussion:

Grounded? Russia's answer to US next-gen fighter hits the skids idrw.org/archives/61070

You seem to be surprised... in any case, 12 planes are plenty to declare IOC and fly over the May-Day parade every year... also a useful number for producing movies/documentaries for domestic consumption... that's all Putin ever needed it for... so much the better it Indians demand they be allowed to pour money down the rat-hole in exchange for open-source technology they could develop themselves.