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Anyway, since our version will take off in squadrons only after 2022, then why not start with Item 30 since the beginning.
Its too early to take about stage 2 engine , when its gets into engineering form it will have to go through hundreds of hours of bench test and equally number of test on specialised platform like IL-76 and then to actual aircraft before it qualifies to fly on PAK-FA.

All those risk will be taken by Engine Design bureau and subsequently by RuAF before it gets flight certified and then considered are mature to fly on FGFA.

Ofcourse assuming things go well and technical hurdle they hit are solved in a way where the delay are minimised and for any high technoligy product like aircraft engine that a big challenge.

Right now 117 is the 5th Gen engine which we can bet our FGFA and PAK-FA will fly on for couple of years .
 

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Its too early to take about stage 2 engine , when its gets into engineering form it will have to go through hundreds of hours of bench test and equally number of test on specialised platform like IL-76 and then to actual aircraft before it qualifies to fly on PAK-FA.

All those risk will be taken by Engine Design bureau and subsequently by RuAF before it gets flight certified and then considered are mature to fly on FGFA.

Ofcourse assuming things go well and technical hurdle they hit are solved in a way where the delay are minimised and for any high technoligy product like aircraft engine that a big challenge.

Right now 117 is the 5th Gen engine which we can bet our FGFA and PAK-FA will fly on for couple of years .
I recently read some article where an official said the Item 30 will be ready by 2017 for flight testing. Bench tests should start in 2014.

2017 to 2022 is a very long time.

Anyway, your point does make sense. I was just wondering whether we will directly start off with Item 30 or not.
 

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Personally, I am concern that Russia will sell the S117 along with the Su-35 to China!:mad:
 

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PAK-FA Cockpit in detail >>





Will it find a place in Indian FGFA? because the avionics, mission computers and cockpit electronic display units are going to be Indian responsibility in FGFA.we are going to buy only bare bone FGFA and integrate the above items all by ourselves according to news reports.
 

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Some of things may be Russian in Russian design fighter, PMF /FGFA is nothing but a continual of SU-30MKI type project..

Where as AMCA has better glass cockpit..

Will it find a place in Indian FGFA? because the avionics, mission computers and cockpit electronic display units are going to be Indian responsibility in FGFA.we are going to buy only bare bone FGFA and integrate the above items all by ourselves according to news reports.
 

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PMF / FGFA is also a paper plane which is design by Russian and will be modified by we Indians, there is not a single prototype of Indian PMF .. :facepalm:

AMCA is an Indian design paper plane to say least .. :india:

:rofl::rofl:, AMCA is still a Paper Plane :sad::
 

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Interview with General Designer of NPO "Saturn" Yuri Shmotin
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You mentioned earlier the engine for future aviation complex tactical aircraft. I understand that the issue is sensitive in terms of technical solutions and is reluctant to give the designers comments on this account. One wrong word can be said about many professionals who do not want to report a new product. Still, a few words on the participation of the "Saturn" in the project.

- In the new projects, "Saturn" is actively working on a second stage engine for the PAK FA. Although we present the ODC Division civil engines, "Saturn" did not terminate in cooperation with the Yakovlev Design Bureau. "A.M.Lyulki" work on the engine. From 2006 to the present in the KB was created significant technological advance over the engine of the second stage for the PAK FA. This has allowed this year to reach an agreement with the leadership of military engines division that "Saturn" will be responsible for the high-pressure compressor and the high pressure turbine. These nodes are actually the heart of aviation engine. Achieve just such a solution was possible thanks to the fact that you have already created a demonstrator engine components, which fully meets the specs. We have experimentally confirmed it. I can say honestly and calmly, that today all the critical decisions that need to be tested experimentally for the engine tested. And the engine will be a target date by the competent organization of labor.

- You said that the aircraft engine is one of the most difficult and perhaps the most difficult in engineering terms the product. What is the difficulty?

- Aircraft engine - is a heat engine. In it, the higher the temperature of combustion, the higher the compression ratio of the compressor, the higher the efficiency. For these numbers to improve, you need heavy-duty, ultra-light, heat-resistant materials and alloys that can withstand high temperature and pressure. Suffice it to say that the temperature at the outlet of the combustion chamber may exceed 2,000 degrees. The turbine rotates at a rate of tens of thousands of revolutions per minute. Such temperatures and such speed to withstand turbine parts - wheels and turbine blades. Tear off one of the blades when the engine is under the wing of the plane in the air, and the flight may stop ... To avoid this, we need modern materials technology, which in nature and technology did not previously exist, which do not yet have names. CB now getting ready to offer not only new modifications and improvements have already mastered the engine, and innovative solutions to the very design of gas turbine engine.

Forming a technological advance, we first of all, are working to create high-temperature materials. "Saturn" today - one of the few organizations which, besides the use of materials on the market, is developing a high-temperature materials that can operate at gas temperatures up to 2050 degrees Kelvin. There are several patented "Saturn" alloys, which allows for their implementation to raise the temperature before the turbine more than 100 degrees. This is in fact already a revolution in engine. No new high-temperature alloys can not create a new generation of engines. This, in turn, requires new technologies, new equipment. New grade need not in itself, but as a material to create complex three-dimensional parts such as cooling the turbine blades. Turbine blade - a very important detail, which has a very complex three-dimensional surface, not only outside but inside in order to keep it running. It is no accident aircraft engine - "flaming engine" - is compared to the well-known anthem aviators with the human heart.
 

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