Solution to Kashmir keeping India's strategic interests in mind

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Let them invest and build all the roads they need to. We should simply prepare while they build these roads and then we can simply go ahead and take over that territory.
Absolutely. What Pakistan is doing will be helpful for us in future. Not to forget we have good relation with Both A'than and Tajikistan.

We just need to prepare ourself to take over GB. Once we complete our preparation, At right time and right opportunity we can hit them hard and will take over.

In Last 2-3 years, I have seen many such discussion based on P.O.K. from different perspective/POV and read many articles/news based on that and to be very frank, I never found so difficult to take P.O.K. back. May be because our preparation is in right direction or we never thought seriously?? I think latter is main reason. We never talk of such things. Mostly, we keep thinking how to defend our country. Since, we never think beyond our territory, we assume It would be difficult and almost impossible.
 

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If they could build the Callao-Huancayo Railway in Peru and the Tibet Railway in Tibet, the answer is yes!
Unlike Northern Areas which is not a plateau, Chinese part of Tibet is a plateau and I dont think it's a fair comparison.

P.S: Let's use the official terms Northern Areas and not 'illegal' names like Gilgit-Baltistan .
 

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But going to war for GB is not right.
Balochistan however would be a better deal, they hate Pakis, won't mind taking our help,will give us a port in the region for a naval base, link us to Afghanistan and Iran and also cut Pakistan from Iran...Win.
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Actually if it comes between Northern Areas & B'stan, there is no doubt that Northern Areas are more strategically important because they provide the life saving all-weather access to China from Pakistan.

If that life-line is cut, any future dealings with Pakistan will be a cake-walk.

But I agree taking NA is far more difficult than B'stan because the people are not that receptive to Indians (they were the first ones who rebelled against Maharaja Hari Singh) and because of the Chinese presence. B'stan however will be easier because of the hostility the two main tribes (Bugti, Marri) have for the Punjabis and their traditional inclination to fight it out.
 

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Look, don't think I won't enjoy the day Pakistan is annihilated. But going to war for GB is not right.
Balochistan however would be a better deal, they hate Pakis, won't mind taking our help,will give us a port in the region for a naval base, link us to Afghanistan and Iran and also cut Pakistan from Iran...Win.
All we need to do is supply them with weapons, finance, bring Iran on board and BLF/A would do the rest, no need to take the risk of an outright invasion.
Once we have a stronghold in Balochistan we could then try to take out their nukes.
Don't forget Iran and Afghanistan also control part of Balochistan whereas Pakistan occupies the major share of it. If we help Balochistan and they in turn will go against Iran and Afghanistan the two countries that we want to make our friend. This will back fire therefore we have think of an alternative strategy to help Balochistan and as well as not harm the friendship with two nations.
 

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Getting back PoK and GB

Getting back Pakistan occupied Kashmir and Gilgit-Baltistan

Please see the map attached herewith. The campaign will be a 3 phase campaign and it is assumed that India will, otherwise manage the possibility of the nuclear retaliation by Pakistan.
  1. Phase 1: Take control of the regions and cities (marked with blue boxes and numbered 1). This should not take more than 20-25 days.
  2. Phase 2: Use supply lines from places acquired in Phase 1 and take control of regions and cities (marked with blue boxes and numbered 2). This should take another 15 days.
  3. Phase 3: Use supply lines from all regions hitherto in control and occupy the regions and cities (marked with blue boxes and numbered 3). This will take yet another 15 days to control but at least 6 months to fully get in grip and reasonably sanitise.
Supply lines, shown with red arrows, will be both by road and air but the major roads will have to be secured so that we do not have to entirely rely on air transport. The purple lines will be our future trade route to Afghanistan and Tajikistan.


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I agree that it will be useful to get back GB. POK is not useful to us, let them stay with the Pakis and continue marching around and throwing stones in protests every other day. But GB is something that can indeed help us "get out of the South Asian straitjacket".

LurkerBaba: Even if the silk route and other ancient routes passed through Lahore and Peshawar instead of GB, there is no reason why that cannot change today, in the 21st century. Technologically it may be a challenge, but it is certainly something that can be done.
 

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Getting out region held by Pakistan serves a lot of other interests. I have been tellin this for a long time that India does great disservice to itself by only talking about Indian Kashmir with Pakistan and not talk about what the other side holds.

Forget providing logistics to Astan, that will not be required a few years from now when the war finishes, but permanent energy route opens into central Asia and cuts Pakistan and China.

Chinese have pre-empted us in this regard by covertly moving into GB.
 

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Mr. pmaitra's map is a good scale to be able to read on DFI.
 

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and of course, this will cut all land-links from china to pakistan.
Yes, unfortunately, going by the official maps, PRC does not really have any border with Pakistan and if one were to assume that Tibet and East Turkestan are not parts of the PRC, PRC will have no border with India at all and that hypothetical scenario would be extremely peaceful from the Indian PoV.
 

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You cannot declare war just like that and take that area as posted by pmaitra.
That zone is as heavily defended with terrain very hostile as you can imagine. So no I don think you can take that area in 20 days.
Second and more importantly, nuclear war will be a surity.

The way to win back those areas is cold start. Take regions on International border along with shallow progress in GB. Take the entire region on the table when you can give back territories captured in Punjab and Sindh in return for entire GB.
 

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You cannot declare war just like that and take that area as posted by pmaitra.
That zone is as heavily defended with terrain very hostile as you can imagine. So no I don think you can take that area in 20 days.
Second and more importantly, nuclear war will be a surity.

The way to win back those areas is cold start. Take regions on International border along with shallow progress in GB. Take the entire region on the table when you can give back territories captured in Punjab and Sindh in return for entire GB.
Probably and then there are numerous assumptions here, especially with Pakistan's nukes.

I think all the regions marked 1 can be easily taken within 2 weeks. I just put extra days there for unforeseen events. In any case, India will have to first take control of the foothills and supply routes to GB and only then will they be able to cut off GB from the rest of Pakistan.
 

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You cannot declare war just like that and take that area as posted by pmaitra.
That zone is as heavily defended with terrain very hostile as you can imagine. So no I don think you can take that area in 20 days.
Second and more importantly, nuclear war will be a surity.

The way to win back those areas is cold start. Take regions on International border along with shallow progress in GB. Take the entire region on the table when you can give back territories captured in Punjab and Sindh in return for entire GB.
A better idea would be to wait for the collapse of Pakistan. Accelerate the process in whichever way we can, instead of these aman-ki-asha pappi-jhappi sessions. Once the collapse is complete, let POK and G-B be independent nations, with open borders with India. Just like Nepan and Bhutan. Indians can travel into the newly formed independent states and vice-versa. Sign treaties with these newly formed independent states for transport of goods and fuel through these regions.

And there you have it - a gateway to central Asia, Russia and Europe.
 

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Probably and then there are numerous assumptions here, especially with Pakistan's nukes.

I think all the regions marked 1 can be easily taken within 2 weeks. I just put extra days there for unforeseen events. In any case, India will have to first take control of the foothills and supply routes to GB and only then will they be able to cut off GB from the rest of Pakistan.
Pakistanis bluff with their nukes that has to be called. But if INDIA is the aggressor and takes a big chunk off them, they will surely escalate. Pakis have always made blunders when it comes to war with India. It's India that has always relinquished control back to them like fools esp post 71. Make sure the next war is decisive which could also mean Pakistan in its current geographical form will cease to exist.
 

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If US really needs another route, India can arrange a deal with Iran.

We have financed/built (part or in full) Chahabahar Port and highways linking it to Afghanistan.
We are also financing a route from Chahabahar to C.Asia.
If we want a land route to Afghanistan, the Iran route is the best way.

And the sooner the US comes to its senses and listens to us, we should be in the best position to utilize this. Capturing PoK also means administering the territory and the people that come with it, not to mention International rules that opinion that we will have to cater to. The best case scenario in this case would be PoK becoming an independent country but that is just the thing that would give impetus to sepratists in Indian Kashmir.
 

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If we want a land route to Afghanistan, the Iran route is the best way.

And the sooner the US comes to its senses and listens to us, we should be in the best position to utilize this. Capturing PoK also means administering the territory and the people that come with it, not to mention International rules that opinion that we will have to cater to. The best case scenario in this case would be PoK becoming an independent country but that is just the thing that would give impetus to sepratists in Indian Kashmir.
Pakistan is an irrational power, At the loss of PoK, one of their crown jewels, they will go nuclear. I agree with your above views. Also Indians also tend to agree with it, which is why we have made Chabbar, and the Highway through Iran into Afghanistan. We can trade with Afghanistan, but not the US through this route. So how do we figure it out. Let US handle the arms and ammunition's coming Russian Route, while Fuel and other supplies will come through Iran.
 

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Pakistanis bluff with their nukes that has to be called. But if INDIA is the aggressor and takes a big chunk off them, they will surely escalate. Pakis have always made blunders when it comes to war with India. It's India that has always relinquished control back to them like fools esp post 71. Make sure the next war is decisive which could also mean Pakistan in its current geographical form will cease to exist.
I have absolutely no doubt that Pakistan will use their nuke as the last resort. Their threshold might not be as low as they claim, but use they will.
 

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Nobody in India is going to Risk a nuclear bomb falling on an Indian city, for PoK, defeat of Pakistan or land route to Afghanistan. FACT. Welcome to India.
That ship has already sailed, our earlier governments should have thought about the current predicament. They did not, now we suffer. Suck it up.
 
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This thread is just fanboi stuff.

People this is not happening without few nukes being lobbed across the border.
 

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There is a possibility of PoK joining India, That is a complete internal break up of Pakistan. Let's talk about that, we wont even need to send one soldier over the border. Its all about Intelligence and Support.
 

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