Solution to Kashmir keeping India's strategic interests in mind

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Solution to Kashmir keeping in mind Indian energy security and corridor to CAR

Going through the maps and with the recent news on TAPI line for gas from Turkmenistan, which is fraught with danger as it comes via Pak, it brings us back to the all important question of Kashmir and this time its from strategic and energy security point of view. Looking at the map of entire state of Jammu and Kashmir including the parts occupied by Pakistan, it is imperative to get control over Gilgit Baltistan.
This will bring in two benefits, one is cut off Pakistan from China and second open up India directly to Central Asian Region and all its oil and gas.

Taking it forcefully from Pak is an option that might be quite difficult. But as a solution by talks, could India trade away parts of Kashmir and get the entire GB area into Indian control? Now that would be difficult for Pak to give back as it cuts them off from China, but then it could certainly be pursued by India. That land is not only important to us because is lawfully ours, but its also important as it will provide us with long term energy security.

Even if it is not settled with talks, i would say that small piece of land is worth fighting for.
 

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The likelihood of any changes in the border is unlikely in the foreseeable future. The solution of Kashmir involves some sort of peace with Pakistan, stabilization of Indian Kashmir, reassigning troops from inhabited areas to barracks and the border area and promoting economic stimulation through internal commercial tools.
 

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I belive that the TAPI will go through Herat, Kandahar, Quetta, Multan and finally Fazilabad in India.

Kashmir region will not play a role in the TAPI pipeline. GB area has one of the highest peaks in the world and building roads, railways and pipelines will be quite expensive.
 

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Going through the maps and with the recent news on TAPI line for gas from Turkmenistan, which is fraught with danger as it comes via Pak, it brings us back to the all important question of Kashmir and this time its from strategic and energy security point of view.
Why should the danger to the pipeline in Pakistan be any concern to us? As far as I know, each nation, through which the pipeline is to pass is a stake holder, and the part of the pipeline that falls in a country, is entirely the responsibility of that country.

So the headache of dealing with threats to the pipeline in Pakistan is not of our concern, as long as the agreements over the pipeline ensures this.
 

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Best is to wait patiently for pakistan to provoke us then use the opportunity and take back pok.
If it goes that way, this time surely there'll be direct Chinese interventions!!!.. We should be well prepared for the worst!! :angry_1:
 

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The likelihood of any changes in the border is unlikely in the foreseeable future. The solution of Kashmir involves some sort of peace with Pakistan, stabilization of Indian Kashmir, reassigning troops from inhabited areas to barracks and the border area and promoting economic stimulation through internal commercial tools.
Again talks of Indian Kashmir. Why no one ever talks about ILLEGALLY OCCUPIED KASHMIR by PAK? Why is that the GoI, media everyone toes pak agenda to talk about the kashmir of India? Do you guys realize how important GB is for Indian security energy as well as strategic. The chinese do and thats why they are digging in out there in GB. We are going to be in serious trouble if we disregard that region. India has to put on table the issue of PoK and GB. start raising it when they meet those scums from across the border. Indian kashmir is doing well enough. Talk about GB and PoK. GB political parties very recently asked India to intervene as save them from Pak as GB is legally Indian land. Yet the GoI failed to respond.

I think if everyone in India starts to talk about it, GoI will be forced to talk about it and not just follow pak agenda on talks where only Indian Kashmir is the focus.
 

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Going through the maps and with the recent news on TAPI line for gas from Turkmenistan, which is fraught with danger as it comes via Pak, it brings us back to the all important question of Kashmir and this time its from strategic and energy security point of view. Looking at the map of entire state of Jammu and Kashmir including the parts occupied by Pakistan, it is imperative to get control over Gilgit Baltistan.
This will bring in two benefits, one is cut off Pakistan from China and second open up India directly to Central Asian Region and all its oil and gas.

Taking it forcefully from Pak is an option that might be quite difficult. But as a solution by talks, could India trade away parts of Kashmir and get the entire GB area into Indian control? Now that would be difficult for Pak to give back as it cuts them off from China, but then it could certainly be pursued by India. That land is not only important to us because is lawfully ours, but its also important as it will provide us with long term energy security.

Even if it is not settled with talks, i would say that small piece of land is worth fighting for.
sir pakistan knows importance of GB right from the begning so forget it pakistan would give us it by some give and take . indian policy makers were stupid specially nehru who stopped war in the middle

And by the way how can giving up on kashmir we can get GB can u provide with some maps which proves your point . i think GB is connected by land to india by kashmir only and also separatist wont agree with it

india policy makers are only thinking up of making loc as IB so that future trade can be easily carried out
by capturing it through war in that case we should be ready to take on 2 front because china wont allow it 2 do so
 

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Taking Gilgit and Baltistan in the modern geopolitical context would be a trifle of a bother.

The discrimination of Shias in Pakistan in general and in Gilgit and Baltistan in particular, including settling Sunnis in the Northern Area, itself has got the locals up in arms.

Therefore, rather than any military operations, let things take its natural course, wherein the locals rebel against the Federal Govt of Pakistan.

Pakistan fears just that and that is why there are Chinese in large numbers operating in these areas, ostentatiously to build tunnels etc for the oil and gas pipeline to Xingjian.
 

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^^^ yusuf sirji i am waiting for reply regarding my question to u which i posted in above post
 

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Going through the maps and with the recent news on TAPI line for gas from Turkmenistan, which is fraught with danger as it comes via Pak, it brings us back to the all important question of Kashmir and this time its from strategic and energy security point of view. Looking at the map of entire state of Jammu and Kashmir including the parts occupied by Pakistan, it is imperative to get control over Gilgit Baltistan.
This will bring in two benefits, one is cut off Pakistan from China and second open up India directly to Central Asian Region and all its oil and gas.

Taking it forcefully from Pak is an option that might be quite difficult. But as a solution by talks, could India trade away parts of Kashmir and get the entire GB area into Indian control? Now that would be difficult for Pak to give back as it cuts them off from China, but then it could certainly be pursued by India. That land is not only important to us because is lawfully ours, but its also important as it will provide us with long term energy security.

Even if it is not settled with talks, i would say that small piece of land is worth fighting for.
Everyone knows the vital importance of that piece of land, and that the Pakis would not have been able to get close to China had that been with us. Presently, India is totally 'cut off' from the rest of the continent, and had that piece of land been with us, we would have had energy supply lines from central Asia all the way till Trivandrum and Kanyakumari.

There's just one snag here - the Pakis won't give it to us. There is no way they're going to split away from their taller than mountain deeper than ocean friend. Its easy to talk about fighting for it, but we are not prepared for a two front war as of today, and if we work towards it, it will take quite a while to match both nations combined.
 

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Why should the danger to the pipeline in Pakistan be any concern to us? As far as I know, each nation, through which the pipeline is to pass is a stake holder, and the part of the pipeline that falls in a country, is entirely the responsibility of that country.

So the headache of dealing with threats to the pipeline in Pakistan is not of our concern, as long as the agreements over the pipeline ensures this.
It is not security of pipeline alone that matters. What matters is security of supplies. Can there be a cast iron gaurantee that Pakistan will not turn off the tap on very flimsy grounds? Such a scenerio would be more dangerous than no pipe line at all. The same applies to Afghanistan too.
 

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It is not security of pipeline alone that matters. What matters is security of supplies. Can there be a cast iron gaurantee that Pakistan will not turn off the tap on very flimsy grounds? Such a scenerio would be more dangerous than no pipe line at all. The same applies to Afghanistan too.
Yes, the supply issues would be taken care of in the deals that would be signed. And nations, even though hostile, cannot undo international agreements on their whims. Even hypothetically speaking, if they cut-off our gas supply we can always cut-off their water supply.

But the concern, if at all there is any, is specifically related to the security of the pipeline itself.
 

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Yes, the supply issues would be taken care of in the deals that would be signed. And nations, even though hostile, cannot undo international agreements on their whims. Even hypothetically speaking, if they cut-off our gas supply we can always cut-off their water supply.

But the concern, if at all there is any, is specifically related to the security of the pipeline itself.
Please give me a break. International agreements are routinely violated. There are instances of total repudiations too. Agrrements are the need of the day, NATIONAL interests are permanent.

And please be realistic. India cannot cut off the water supply as it is not technically feasible. Gas pipe can be closed, rivers cannot be.
 
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Please give me a break. International agreements are routinely violated. There are instances of total repudiations too. Agrrements are the need of the day, NATIONAL interests are permanent.
Trade agreements generally do not see any major violations, and if they do there are always repercussions to follow. The violator must be prepared for future consequences as well.

And please be realistic. India cannot cut off the water supply as it is not technically feasible. Gas pipe can be closed, rivers cannot be.
That is an imbecile thought. It's not a tap that they can close when they want to. The original supply will be coming from Turkmenistan and there will be stringent agreements in place.

And, India controls the flow of water into Pakistan. There is a treaty in place for that, if you know.
 

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Turning off the tap is not a major problem. Pakistan can manufacture 101 reasons for doing it.

I don't know if you understand how the rivers flow,. how they are controlled and to what extent they can be controlled. I have spent a life time in the field of water resources enginnering, and for 3 years was involved in the administration of Indus Waters Treaty 1960. I do have credentials, sir, to make that statement. Talibans in Af can hold you to ransom.
 
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Again talks of Indian Kashmir. Why no one ever talks about ILLEGALLY OCCUPIED KASHMIR by PAK? Why is that the GoI, media everyone toes pak agenda to talk about the kashmir of India? Do you guys realize how important GB is for Indian security energy as well as strategic. The chinese do and thats why they are digging in out there in GB. We are going to be in serious trouble if we disregard that region. India has to put on table the issue of PoK and GB. start raising it when they meet those scums from across the border. Indian kashmir is doing well enough. Talk about GB and PoK. GB political parties very recently asked India to intervene as save them from Pak as GB is legally Indian land. Yet the GoI failed to respond.

I think if everyone in India starts to talk about it, GoI will be forced to talk about it and not just follow pak agenda on talks where only Indian Kashmir is the focus.
Deflection is pointless, what Pakistan does with their part of Kashmir is irrelevant to what India does with theirs. At least based on current information I think Pakistan's part of Kashmir is a hopeless case (separate topic), and unlike India Pakistan cannot rehabilitate their part of Kashmir by implementing intelligent policy.

It is in everyone's interest to come to terms with the limitations of the Kashmir situation. It would be great to obtain GB or what have you, but that is unrealistic. Obsessing over untenable strategic objectives is unproductive. It would behoove India to divert its resources to fix Indian Kashmir.
 

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If it goes that way, this time surely there'll be direct Chinese interventions!!!.. We should be well prepared for the worst!! :angry_1:
 

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Kashmir is an integral part of India including POK. Problem is not willing to accept it .And hence not acting on it. Just imagine , If there no POK , chinese have to travel thousands of kilometers to reach Pak. Difficult to maintain important allay against india. India can build
energy pipelines to middle asian countries through afganistan.
 

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One option is do put money on development of the Kashmir valley. Get in the good books of the Kashmiris and than extend the idea of an independent Kashmir (including Northern Areas and GB). This will cut-off Pakistan from China and also provide a much friendlier gas line through the Northern Areas.

Do what US did with West germany. Let the people of Pakistan occupied Kashmir know what they are missing. This would keep them in our good books. Their source of income through tourism will be largely from India. Investment in Kashmir will be largely from India. They will be on our side as far as economics are concerned.
 
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