Small arms and Light Weapons

[WolfPack86]

Companies placed bids.

 

[Johny_Baba]

What are they testing exactly now?

relax, batch acceptance trials is a norm;
they would pull random rifles out of delivery and try on range to check for basic qc qa things etc

 

[Love Charger]

relax, batch acceptance trials is a norm;
they would pull random rifles out of delivery and try on range to check for basic qc qa things etc

When should we expect to see these in the hands of our nations valiant soldier's sirji ?

 

[NoobWannaLearn]

relax, batch acceptance trials is a norm;
they would pull random rifles out of delivery and try on range to check for basic qc qa things etc

Thank you for the knowledge when can we actually see it in service any clue?

 

[Johny_Baba]

When should we expect to see these in the hands of our nations valiant soldier's sirji ?

Thank you for the knowledge when can we actually see it in service any clue?

well i don't know exactly lol, but if mass production has started as per these reports etc maybe by end of this year they might be able to arm a regiment and half worth of soldiers; once the subsequent induction-training et al commences.

i believe they are aiming to arm soldiers deployed near borders first as they require these arms most; then gradually they'll start looking inwards

 

[NoobWannaLearn]

well i don't know exactly lol, but if mass production has started as per these reports etc maybe by end of this year they might be able to arm a regiment and half worth of soldiers; once the subsequent induction-training et al commences.

i believe they are aiming to arm soldiers deployed near borders first as they require these arms most; then gradually they'll start looking inwards

Maybe rr should get it first in the valley and since its basically an ak there shouldn't be much training changes

 

[Johny_Baba]

plastikov version 4 - basically a 3d-printed receiver AK made using a parts kit (barrel, gas system, bolt and bolt carrier, trigger group etc industry made stuff);

must say 3d printer guys are making quite interesting designs with all these like they basically made a bare basic AK with almost all needed improvements inbuilt with this (except perhaps closing that dust cover slot meant for providing clearance to that reciprocating charging handle etc but ok here) - like picatiny railed top cover firmly affixed with lower receiver, a set of very Galil inspired thumb operated fire selectors and a receiver design that...seems to be separating trigger group section off the main receiver body - very FAL like, for reasons; and also a 3d printed picatiny mounted buttstock with length adjustments etc

i hope to see in version 5 that they expand the upper side of the receiver to do away with that iron sight block and directly house the gas tube inside extended upper side of receiver - as to shed some weight and make it more balanced at centre plus trying to give it even longer upper rail etc; and of course try to give it FNC // Galil ACE style spring loaded dust cover etc

another interesting 3d printed build, of rival rifle of the AK, is
Hoffman Tactical Orca, a very well optimised 3d printed AR build

most of AR build just utilises parts kit with upper receiver and builds lower receiver from 3d printed stuff etc but these guys tried to take it further by making both receivers out of 3d printed stuff

accuracy wise it seems quite acceptable for a full 3d printed receiver build

 

[AlphaRaiderZ]

plastikov version 4 - basically a 3d-printed receiver AK made using a parts kit (barrel, gas system, bolt and bolt carrier, trigger group etc industry made stuff);
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must say 3d printer guys are making quite interesting designs with all these like they basically made a bare basic AK with almost all needed improvements inbuilt with this (except perhaps closing that dust cover slot meant for providing clearance to that reciprocating charging handle etc but ok here) - like picatiny railed top cover firmly affixed with lower receiver, a set of very Galil inspired thumb operated fire selectors and a receiver design that...seems to be separating trigger group section off the main receiver body - very FAL like, for reasons; and also a 3d printed picatiny mounted buttstock with length adjustments etc

i hope to see in version 5 that they expand the upper side of the receiver to do away with that iron sight block and directly house the gas tube inside extended upper side of receiver - as to shed some weight and make it more balanced at centre plus trying to give it even longer upper rail etc; and of course try to give it FNC // Galil ACE style spring loaded dust cover etc

another interesting 3d printed build, of rival rifle of the AK, is
Hoffman Tactical Orca, a very well optimised 3d printed AR build

most of AR build just utilises parts kit with upper receiver and builds lower receiver from 3d printed stuff etc but these guys tried to take it further by making both receivers out of 3d printed stuff
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accuracy wise it seems quite acceptable for a full 3d printed receiver build

Gahhdamn that's great . But does 3d printing compromise with the durability of the receiver group ? Genuinely Curious .

 

[AlphaRaiderZ]

Maybe rr should get it first in the valley and since its basically an ak there shouldn't be much training changes

I think there's a slight correction to be done in your sentence . Instead of training I'd quote "Adaptibility or Acceptance towards Ak" .
The whole shooting stance and drill procedure needs a refinement .
Also would these Ak-103s come with Foregrips ? Wherever I checked IRRPL displayed them with a basic Foregrip . That ought to help infantry control their stability as well adapt to new tactics

 

[Johny_Baba]

Gahhdamn that's great . But does 3d printing compromise with the durability of the receiver group ? Genuinely Curious .

depends on many things, from materials used in building these receiver, to design of those builds and sometimes even the original gun designs (as you can't change their operating characteristics much) - in general most 3d printed builds just start as potential replacement of metallic receiver wherever possible and involves lots of ;trial and error; style things like checking where more mechanical stress is induced in the design and in later iterations they would try to build receivers with those sections strengthened and rinse and repeat till a good balance is achieved in that regard etc;
also DO NOTE that not all 3d printed guns are just plastic shells, as many of them contain metallic parts (generally guide rails for moving parts, bolt carriere etc) wherever needed - for e.g. almost all 3d printed AK builts have bolt carrier guide rails affixed inside 3d printed receivers so even they outwardly look like plastic thing they do have metal parts in them; similar for various pistol builds;

i believe having a set of technical documents explaining mechanical characteristics of the design would be immensely helpful in decreasing efforts of such 'derivations' and frankly many mainstream guns' TDP are available on internet for these purposes so yeah;
e.g. compare this RPK build of previous Plastikov with one i posted in previous post on topic,
seeing those thick bolts around midsection ? basically receiver is made of two pieces bolted together as regular length 3d printed receiver would exhibit cracks and so if one builds entire receiver from 3d printed stuff - so this ;jugaad; was done to overcome that limit; as they gradually learned about where they could strengthen up and where they could compromise they moved on to next iteration with v4 now having separate trigger group section and rest of receiver being made with long one-piece 3d printed build etc

likewise early 3d printed lowers for AR were showing cracks and issues around its buffer tube section where that buffer tube is mounted on the lower receiver etc - their solution was simple-enlarging the buffer tube mount part with more material and using physical fasteners in place to keep it tightly affixed; and this still seems to be working just fine so they're sticking to it etc

 

[NoobWannaLearn]

I think there's a slight correction to be done in your sentence . Instead of training I'd quote "Adaptibility or Acceptance towards Ak" .
The whole shooting stance and drill procedure needs a refinement .
Also would these Ak-103s come with Foregrips ? Wherever I checked IRRPL displayed them with a basic Foregrip . That ought to help infantry control their stability as well adapt to new tactics

Ak 203s* and I think they will come with grip atleast that's what we have seen so far

 

[AlphaRaiderZ]

depends on many things, from materials used in building these receiver, to design of those builds and sometimes even the original gun designs (as you can't change their operating characteristics much) - in general most 3d printed builds just start as potential replacement of metallic receiver wherever possible and involves lots of ;trial and error; style things like checking where more mechanical stress is induced in the design and in later iterations they would try to build receivers with those sections strengthened and rinse and repeat till a good balance is achieved in that regard etc;
also DO NOTE that not all 3d printed guns are just plastic shells, as many of them contain metallic parts (generally guide rails for moving parts, bolt carriere etc) wherever needed - for e.g. almost all 3d printed AK builts have bolt carrier guide rails affixed inside 3d printed receivers so even they outwardly look like plastic thing they do have metal parts in them; similar for various pistol builds;

i believe having a set of technical documents explaining mechanical characteristics of the design would be immensely helpful in decreasing efforts of such 'derivations' and frankly many mainstream guns' TDP are available on internet for these purposes so yeah;
e.g. compare this RPK build of previous Plastikov with one i posted in previous post on topic,
seeing those thick bolts around midsection ? basically receiver is made of two pieces bolted together as regular length 3d printed receiver would exhibit cracks and so if one builds entire receiver from 3d printed stuff - so this ;jugaad; was done to overcome that limit; as they gradually learned about where they could strengthen up and where they could compromise they moved on to next iteration with v4 now having separate trigger group section and rest of receiver being made with long one-piece 3d printed build etc

likewise early 3d printed lowers for AR were showing cracks and issues around its buffer tube section where that buffer tube is mounted on the lower receiver etc - their solution was simple-enlarging the buffer tube mount part with more material and using physical fasteners in place to keep it tightly affixed; and this still seems to be working just fine so they're sticking to it etc

depends on many things, from materials used in building these receiver, to design of those builds and sometimes even the original gun designs (as you can't change their operating characteristics much) - in general most 3d printed builds just start as potential replacement of metallic receiver wherever possible and involves lots of ;trial and error; style things like checking where more mechanical stress is induced in the design and in later iterations they would try to build receivers with those sections strengthened and rinse and repeat till a good balance is achieved in that regard etc;
also DO NOTE that not all 3d printed guns are just plastic shells, as many of them contain metallic parts (generally guide rails for moving parts, bolt carriere etc) wherever needed - for e.g. almost all 3d printed AK builts have bolt carrier guide rails affixed inside 3d printed receivers so even they outwardly look like plastic thing they do have metal parts in them; similar for various pistol builds;

i believe having a set of technical documents explaining mechanical characteristics of the design would be immensely helpful in decreasing efforts of such 'derivations' and frankly many mainstream guns' TDP are available on internet for these purposes so yeah;
e.g. compare this RPK build of previous Plastikov with one i posted in previous post on topic,
seeing those thick bolts around midsection ? basically receiver is made of two pieces bolted together as regular length 3d printed receiver would exhibit cracks and so if one builds entire receiver from 3d printed stuff - so this ;jugaad; was done to overcome that limit; as they gradually learned about where they could strengthen up and where they could compromise they moved on to next iteration with v4 now having separate trigger group section and rest of receiver being made with long one-piece 3d printed build etc

likewise early 3d printed lowers for AR were showing cracks and issues around its buffer tube section where that buffer tube is mounted on the lower receiver etc - their solution was simple-enlarging the buffer tube mount part with more material and using physical fasteners in place to keep it tightly affixed; and this still seems to be working just fine so they're sticking to it etc

Very Interesting. So instead of building 2 piece recieves from milling steel or stamping it just moved to one single piece reciever . But is cleaning and oiling gonna be difficult ? Since now you cant divide and open the recievers .

 

[Johny_Baba]

Very Interesting. So instead of building 2 piece recieves from milling steel or stamping it just moved to one single piece reciever . But is cleaning and oiling gonna be difficult ? Since now you cant divide and open the recievers .

again, depends on design etc but yeah some compromises there; here many bolts and screws are used so for disassembly purposes involving non-standard steps one might have to unscrew those and separate sections but then again there also are builds like AR ones which just use full 3d printed receiver sections and disassemble just like your regular AR; so yeah

but again these kind of builds aren't supposed to be very long lasting things; they just are alternatives to conventionally manufactured-assembled firearms in some regards and if receiver or any other 3d printed parts break you can still just 3d print a replacement and use that (giving most critical components are safe to be used again - barrel, bolt and bolt carrier, gas system etc); similarly for basic cleaning and maintenance you can still clean them the build isn't exhibiting damage that could result in some sort of catastrophic failure etc;

for e.g. this AR lower receiver has been dirtied due to prolonged usage but overall seems nice enough to be reused again after wiping all that carbon deposit off of it and (if needed to be) applying lubricants when it is needed etc (though i believe it wouldn't require as much lubrication as a conventionally build firearm but needed to read more about that)

 

[Marcus Aurelius]

From German GSG9 to Indian Chhapris; KTM has now seen everything
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But our army will still use the good old Royal Enfield

 

[AlphaRaiderZ]

But our army will still use the good old Royal Enfield

But our army will still use the good old Royal Enfield

See brother the issue is not with the Royal Enfield. They have some super awesome bikes which can be used for adventure and stuff . The problem is the military wants only the Classic Variant . There are bikes such as Himalayan which can be modified with IA permission and subscription into a dirt bike config or even an ATV . But for that they need to dig in

 

[Lonewarrior]

But our army will still use the good old Royal Enfield

Because what else can do this?

Coz this the only use of a bike we had understood till now.

We're still way behind the curve to realise how deadly just four people with ATGMs and electric dirt bikes can be in traditional armored warfare.

 

[Love Charger]

Because what else can do this?
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Coz this the only use of a bike we had understood till now.

We're still way behind the curve to realise how deadly just four people with ATGMs and electric dirt bikes can be in traditional armored warfare.

Hum to isse mortar khenchte hai

 

[Delta Squad]

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What's this?? Tactical Tricycle?? Makes me feel nostalgic about childhood

 

[Lonewarrior]

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Uparwaale ki mehar se itna kuch tha saalon ke paas khinchne ke liye par inhe dikha to bas mortar.

Khair, 7500 ki chiz pe kya hi kilasna.
Badhiya hai, jo bhi hai.

 

[Sayman Ame]

From German GSG9 to Indian Chhapris; KTM has now seen everything

But can they do this : ?????!!???!?!?!???

Yeah, that's what I thought. Yer Special Forces ain't worth shit if they aren't this "Special".