Small arms and Light Weapons

[SilentlAssassin265]

NSG to purchase 10 units of 9x19 Machine Pistol ASMI from Lokesh Machines Limited.

10 units?
Is it for shooting a YouTube video?

 

[AlphaRaiderZ]

These two can do wonders in Western and EU markets. MSMC/JVPC is already popular in COD and other online RPG games.

We've already said it more than a hundred times . Without advertising and playing in the international gun market , "INDIAN" small arms are gonna do shit overall .
These guys don't hear reviews from foot soldiers . Better to hear it from Customers from Texas . Without western influence Indian gun industry would remain stagnated and move at snails pace .
Someone needs to force a pact on Indians to open up our gun market to US

It needs to have a Tonbo Effect . Like we didn't even know we had an Electronics and Optronics Firm selling thermals to US army

 

[SKC]

We've already said it more than a hundred times . Without advertising and playing in the international gun market , "INDIAN" small arms are gonna do shit overall .
These guys don't hear reviews from foot soldiers . Better to hear it from Customers from Texas . Without western influence Indian gun industry would remain stagnated and move at snails pace .
Someone needs to force a pact on Indians to open up our gun market to US

Even Norinco does excellent business in North America Market. Not sure why our Ordinance Factory and Gun factories don't do any marketing there.

 

[Lonewarrior]

Even Norinco does excellent business in North America Market. Not sure why our Ordinance Factory and Gun factories don't do any marketing there.

Because we have nothing to advertise

 

[SwordOfDarkness]

Because we have nothing to advertise

JVPC?

 

[SKC]

Because we have nothing to advertise

We can advertise almost all guns and rifles made by OFB and Gun factories. Even the older Enfield rifles were like din US market.

The recent sniper rifle and JVPC, ASMI all will go business there.

 

[NotASussyBoi]

We can advertise almost all guns and rifles made by OFB and Gun factories. Even the older Enfield rifles were like din US market.

The recent sniper rifle and JVPC, ASMI all will go business there.

honestly i bet insas will sell like hot cakes there if its the newer variants

 

[SKC]

honestly i bet insas will sell like hot cakes there if its the newer variants

Norinco entered NA market with their poor AK knockoffs and soon they upgraded their products with improved furniture and stock and better metallurgy for same old guns.

We just need to replace the old orange stock with latest Black/Grey stock and add picatinny rails.

 

[Lonewarrior]

JVPC?

- uses proprietary cartridge so exporting it in MINSAS is a big no no. Only option is to chamber it in 5.7x28mm. But despite the given rise in popularity of 5.7x28mm in US it's still an expensive round; a typical 9mm FMJ retails for $0.30 USD but that for even the cheapest 5.7x28mm is $0.60

- it has one of the most if not the most atrocious pistol grip of any current firearm. Borchardt C93 used to have this kind of grips in 1893

- these are the two most prominent issues, other than these you've minor issues like lack of M-LOK, weight slightly on the heavier side, in general bulky compared to things like MP7.

- even if the introduce it and people start buying it, sooner or later it will start malfunctioning; coz every gun does. And at that moment perhaps the biggest issue will come up; lack of support. Completely proprietary gun with absolutely zero third-party support, lack of service centre in US, OFB general zero Fs given attitude and so on.
Remember how good or to be more precise how revolutionary of a gun Magpul's Masada was. And why did it failed? Just because of the pathetic after sales service of Remington/Bushmaster.

 

[SKC]

- uses proprietary cartridge so exporting it in MINSAS is a big no no. Only option is to chamber it in 5.7x28mm. But despite the given rise in popularity of 5.7x28mm in US it's still an expensive round; a typical 9mm FMJ retails for $0.30 USD but that for even the cheapest 5.7x28mm is $0.60

- it has one of the most if not the most atrocious pistol grip of any current firearm. Borchardt C93 used to have this kind of grips in 1893

- these are the two most prominent issues, other than these you've minor issues like lack of M-LOK, weight slightly on the heavier side, in general bulky compared to things like MP7.

- even if the introduce it and people start buying it, sooner or later it will start malfunctioning; coz every gun does. And at that moment perhaps the biggest issue will come up; lack of support. Completely proprietary gun with absolutely zero third-party support, lack of service centre in US, OFB general zero Fs given attitude and so on.
Remember how good or to be more precise how revolutionary of a gun Magpul's Masada was. And why did it failed? Just because of the pathetic after sales service of Remington/Bushmaster.

Export the proprietary cartridge also then. It might be niche for some time then with time the supply of ammo should improve, and some local players might start to offer the Minsas rounds.

 

[Lonewarrior]

We can advertise almost all guns and rifles made by OFB and Gun factories. Even the older Enfield rifles were like din US market.

The recent sniper rifle and JVPC, ASMI all will go business there.

Already covered JVPC so will leave that.

You can't sell your first sniper rifle in US. Period
US is the gold standard when it comes to precision. Infinite number of sellers providing R700 based actions, numbers barrel manufacturers from Bartlein to Proof Research, n number of chassis and triggers...and everything guaranteed to sub MoA performance. And these are just the top tier custom rifles market, if you come down to brands then you have everything ranging from MDT at lower end to SAKO and AI at upper...why would they buy OFB's rifle?
It's not from a brand reputed for accuracy, it's going to less accurate, it's not based on R700, everything's proprietary, lack of after sales services...why would they?

As for ASMI, yup, there's a small chunk that you can definitely grab. It takes Glock magazines, there's M-LOK, so ya.

 

[Lonewarrior]

Export the proprietary cartridge also then. It might be niche for some time then with time the supply of ammo should improve, and some local players might start to offer the Minsas rounds.

5.7x28mm is being produced since 90s and even after its local US production by various ammo manufacturers it's one of the most costliest round. The price of $0.60 USD that i quoted is Federal manufactured ammo; for FN imported ammo it easily reaches a dollar for a single cartridge.

So now you yourself calculate how much local demand we have for 5.56x30mm to lower its cost, how much would it cost if exported and how much it would cost if locally made.

 

[AlphaRaiderZ]

honestly i bet insas will sell like hot cakes there if its the newer variants

Ok it's a little over exaggerated. Maybe not like hot cakes but it will sell .
But the problem is after market parts . We know that west world goes crazy on "Modularity" and "Customisation" but other than basic parts like bolts , screws or springs or muzzles , there will be little to no room for customisation . For example handguard, or iron sights . Etc .
For that we need to set up a mini workshop at first . Learn upgrades. Analyse the Market demands . Sponsor , modify yada yada etc .

And then when we receive a verification of "Trust" we can set up our subsidiary. Just like IWI-PLR-Adani

 

[AlphaRaiderZ]

JVPC?

Brother I don't think that the COD marketing is gonna help too much here . One needs major parts modifications for JVPC (AKA MSMC) . Asmi will push through. But tis difficult in this case. Plus Americans are not in for Importing Excessive Ammunition .

 

[FireStar]

 

[FireStar]

 

[NoobWannaLearn]

What are they testing exactly now?

 

[kaboom]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SC-76_Thunderbolt

"The rifle was considered for use by the Indian MARCOS special forces unit, but ultimately rejected in favour of the Tikka T3"

Why?
Isn't SC-76 Thunderbolt better than Tikka.

 

[Lonewarrior]

From German GSG9 to Indian Chhapris; KTM has now seen everything

 

[Lonewarrior]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SC-76_Thunderbolt

"The rifle was considered for use by the Indian MARCOS special forces unit, but ultimately rejected in favour of the Tikka T3"

Why?
Isn't SC-76 Thunderbolt better than Tikka.

Not really
It's impossible to classify something as "better" instead of comparing various parameters like accuracy and weight.
And Tikka T3 comes almost neck and neck with SC-76, or perhaps even better if you consider price