Small arms and Light Weapons

[Aditya Ballal]

Drawing my a**


It's the first image you'll get on searching "mag58 schematic"
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Viv Krishnan clarified on twitter that it was just a little bit of creative freedom and not an actual design drawing of theirs and not read too much into it

 

[Aditya Ballal]

Viv Krishnan from SSSD requested me to forward this message,

Someone that I know mentioned that there are guys who keep repeating that we copy LMT and have a JV with them. Whilst we’re suckers for belittling our own achievements, this piece of news has to be debunked. There is no JV with LMT nor is there a ToT. Another complaint is that we use 3rd party parts - absolutely yes. We have in the past used Bushmaster stocks, u know that the ATI buttstock is being used, the mags we use come from CAA, Magpul, MDT etc. Grips are a piece of cake to buy since there’s nothing great about them. But pls understand that everybody does that. Find me somebody who’s stupid enough to make it all. However, the chassis, action, trigger, stock design, knowledge of head spacing etc on our sniper systems is entirely proprietary. If u can, pls clarify these. Anyway, we can’t be expected to make everybody happy about what we are. Same holds true in our auto weapons and upgrades.

And Regarding the change in the Buttstock of the P72,

So, people now ask why we changed the buttstock on the P72, fair point. That’s coz the bushmaster stock isn’t being sold anymore and we’re not going to invest in tooling for peanuts in India. Would we go to any other stock ? Absolutely yes, since we control the way that any stock will attach to our receiver and can be folded. Now, that’s freedom that my engg team likes for now. But as and when we have several 1000 orders, we’ll surely make even furniture in polymer.

 

[FalconSlayers]

Viv Krishnan from SSSD requested me to forward this message,

Someone that I know mentioned that there are guys who keep repeating that we copy LMT and have a JV with them. Whilst we’re suckers for belittling our own achievements, this piece of news has to be debunked. There is no JV with LMT nor is there a ToT. Another complaint is that we use 3rd party parts - absolutely yes. We have in the past used Bushmaster stocks, u know that the ATI buttstock is being used, the mags we use come from CAA, Magpul, MDT etc. Grips are a piece of cake to buy since there’s nothing great about them. But pls understand that everybody does that. Find me somebody who’s stupid enough to make it all. However, the chassis, action, trigger, stock design, knowledge of head spacing etc on our sniper systems is entirely proprietary. If u can, pls clarify these. Anyway, we can’t be expected to make everybody happy about what we are. Same holds true in our auto weapons and upgrades.

And Regarding the change in the Buttstock of the P72,
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So, people now ask why we changed the buttstock on the P72, fair point. That’s coz the bushmaster stock isn’t being sold anymore and we’re not going to invest in tooling for peanuts in India. Would we go to any other stock ? Absolutely yes, since we control the way that any stock will attach to our receiver and can be folded. Now, that’s freedom that my engg team likes for now. But as and when we have several 1000 orders, we’ll surely make even furniture in polymer.

I hope they go for Magpul CTR stocks, same as with SiG-716, would bring similarity in atleast something. I’ve heard that these M4 stocks aren’t much comfy.

 

[Flying Dagger]

At that point Soviet doctrine had shifted from a 7.62x54R rifle to a 7.62x39mm high-power SMG. Something similar was happening in USA, where troops were preferring .30 Carbine to M1/M14.

But sadly we still had that full powered rifle argument at that time. So there wasn't many options for us except AR-10, FAL and G3.

FAL was better out of those three ...

Britishers still had great influence over us then. Otherwise Aks were already available and even later we complicated the matter with INSAS instead of simply going for the available Aks.

 

[Flying Dagger]

Viv Krishnan from SSSD requested me to forward this message,

Someone that I know mentioned that there are guys who keep repeating that we copy LMT and have a JV with them. Whilst we’re suckers for belittling our own achievements, this piece of news has to be debunked. There is no JV with LMT nor is there a ToT. Another complaint is that we use 3rd party parts - absolutely yes. We have in the past used Bushmaster stocks, u know that the ATI buttstock is being used, the mags we use come from CAA, Magpul, MDT etc. Grips are a piece of cake to buy since there’s nothing great about them. But pls understand that everybody does that. Find me somebody who’s stupid enough to make it all. However, the chassis, action, trigger, stock design, knowledge of head spacing etc on our sniper systems is entirely proprietary. If u can, pls clarify these. Anyway, we can’t be expected to make everybody happy about what we are. Same holds true in our auto weapons and upgrades.

And Regarding the change in the Buttstock of the P72,
View attachment 153553
So, people now ask why we changed the buttstock on the P72, fair point. That’s coz the bushmaster stock isn’t being sold anymore and we’re not going to invest in tooling for peanuts in India. Would we go to any other stock ? Absolutely yes, since we control the way that any stock will attach to our receiver and can be folded. Now, that’s freedom that my engg team likes for now. But as and when we have several 1000 orders, we’ll surely make even furniture in polymer.

No one critical of not indulging in mass production of furniture but their claims and false marketing.

Just a few post back we saw that. Anyway he is doing more than what we can ... So Kudos for that... And best of luck for all indian companies.

 

[Marliii]

 

[Flying Dagger]

They had to bring a foreign guy to market an Indian company in india ... Just like other Indian brands with foreign name

 

[ezsasa]

They had to bring a foreign guy to market an Indian company in india ... Just like other Indian brands with foreign name

that was when they had JV with LMT, they seemed to have dropped from that JV. LMT JV was restricting their in house R&D. as per some interview couple of years back.

 

[Automatic Kalashnikov]

 

[ALBY]

FAL was better out of those three ...

Britishers still had great influence over us then. Otherwise Aks were already available and even later we complicated the matter with INSAS instead of simply going for the available Aks.

Aks were the best ones among them..There was no need to buy SLRs Sterlings, Mags 58s. Instead we should have gone for Aks, and Pkms. Aks in the hands of a well trained soldier is an absolute beast

 

[ALBY]

They are always ahead of time. Even when army didnt have Aks they had Aks. they switched to M4s when other police commandos were equipping with Aks.

 

[NotASussyBoi]

lol my state's using px4 imao though,naga stf and arunachalis,sikkim stf are ahead of us in terms of gucci

 

[Pig benis on sushy]

lol my state's using px4 imao though,naga stf and arunachalis,sikkim stf are ahead of us in terms of gucci

Pics plz

 

[NotASussyBoi]

Pics plz

which pics

 

[Pig benis on sushy]

which pics

You said their stf with Gucci gears

 

[Aditya Ballal]

You said their stf with Gucci gears

Go see the police thread, you’ll see them

 

[ALBY]

Rpk74 bullpup

 

[DEV1729]

Colt India MCAR Program

In November of 2011, the Indian army numbered about 1.2 million infantrymen. It was the second largest army in the world. The army had changed its combat rifles only twice since Independence on Aug…

thecoltar15resource.com

Interesting read on IA’s failed MCAR program and Colt’s offering and it’s progress across the testing phase.

Looked good but what were the gsqr that all rifles failed to achieve.Can anyone post the gsqr of 2011 rifle got talent.

 

[Flying Dagger]

They are always ahead of time. Even when army didnt have Aks they had Aks. they switched to M4s when other police commandos were equipping with Aks.

Glocks Masada Berreta all are providing good pistols..

Even our 9mm are good they just need a compact lighter one, grip upgrade rails etc.

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Rpk74 bullpup

If looks can kill.

Don't know much about how it feel on hand but definitely look clean in comparison to tavor etc..

RPK -16 An Ak-12 and RPK derivative is already part of ratnik upgrade.. as lMG.

 

[ManhattanProject]

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Rpk74 bullpup