Small arms and Light Weapons

[Aditya Ballal]

New bidders for DRDO's 5.56x45mm CQB carbine and 7.62×51mm LMG are as follows :

1)LMG :-
- Lokesh Machines Limited
- Kalyani Strategic Systems
- SSS Defence

2)CQB Carbine :-
- BFL
- Kalyani Strategic Systems
- SSS Defence
- Oshocorp
- Small Arms Factory(DoO)
- Lokesh Machines Ltd

 

[Johny_Baba]

Bizon SMG ;bare bones; working in slow-mo
(also Vityaz-SN with that type of magazine...)

 

[Arjun Mk1A]

New bidders for DRDO's 5.56x45mm CQB carbine and 7.62×51mm LMG are as follows :

1)LMG :-
- Lokesh Machines Limited
- Kalyani Strategic Systems
- SSS Defence
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2)CQB Carbine :-
- BFL
- Kalyani Strategic Systems
- SSS Defence
- Oshocorp
- Small Arms Factory(DoO)
- Lokesh Machines Ltd
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Does MOD decided to purchase carbine indigenously. Looking at the bidders except Small arms factory everyone is private players and we snubbing RFI and OFT folks. So at last we can expect an Carbine with good quality and reliable.

On the other we have Negev from PLR for LMG and we have similar product now. Also our AK 203 use Nato or Soviet std. bullets since this LMG uses NATO round. If it is same then no problem or else then another logistics headache.

 

[Lonewarrior]

Does MOD decided to purchase carbine indigenously. Looking at the bidders except Small arms factory everyone is private players and we snubbing RFI and OFT folks. So at last we can expect an Carbine with good quality and reliable.

On the other we have Negev from PLR for LMG and we have similar product now. Also our AK 203 use Nato or Soviet std. bullets since this LMG uses NATO round. If it is same then no problem or else then another logistics headache.

This tender is just to select a production partner in case OFB wins the competition and gets the tender, that's it.

Just like Thales selected MKU or LMT chose SSS defence; but as of now no one got the actual contract.

 

[Aditya Ballal]

Colt India MCAR Program

In November of 2011, the Indian army numbered about 1.2 million infantrymen. It was the second largest army in the world. The army had changed its combat rifles only twice since Independence on Aug…

thecoltar15resource.com

Interesting read on IA’s failed MCAR program and Colt’s offering and it’s progress across the testing phase.

 

[SGOperative]

Colt India MCAR Program

In November of 2011, the Indian army numbered about 1.2 million infantrymen. It was the second largest army in the world. The army had changed its combat rifles only twice since Independence on Aug…

thecoltar15resource.com

Interesting read on IA’s failed MCAR program and Colt’s offering and it’s progress across the testing phase.

we basically lost a TOT for AR and a platform best suited for us

 

[Love Charger]

we basically lost a TOT for AR and a platform best suited for us

Ak Supremacy

 

[Lonewarrior]

we basically lost a TOT for AR and a platform best suited for us

Lol...
We had already lost...my bad...rejected a ToT for AR some five decades prior to this MCAR tender.

We're pro in rejecting good things and selecting Beretta Mx4.

 

[Marliii]

With all the sanctions in place against russia i think this will effect ak203 is some way

 

[Flying Dagger]

Lol...
We had already lost...my bad...rejected a ToT for AR some five decades prior to this MCAR tender.

We're pro in rejecting good things and selecting Beretta Mx4.

That time it wasn't that refined and had several issues include politics so it was fine that we junked it. But major mistake or badluck was to not opt for Ak sooner.

We were so close to USSR even got Mig 25 like jet from them but missed the legend AK and didn't adopted until we faced it.

 

[Flying Dagger]

1) Sling mount on collapsing butstock is too low. When you go to grab the handle, gets in the way.

2) In regular AKs, dust cover is not "fixed". It is friction fit at one end, and loosely locked at other. Meaning, if you drop/smack/open the rifle your zero of your optic will shict slightly, more so with heavier optics. In AK 203, we have a dust cover which is pinned in place at one end and closed with a lever at the other, AK 12 are usual style.

1. Not really looks fine anyway.

2. It's pretty sturdy there was a video criticising Ak 12 posted by @ALBY few pages back which confirm the same.

Anyway we are buying what we can and let's see how they turn out.

 

[Lonewarrior]

That time it wasn't that refined and had several issues include politics so it was fine that we junked it. But major mistake or badluck was to not opt for Ak sooner.

We were so close to USSR even got Mig 25 like jet from them but missed the legend AK and didn't adopted until we faced it.

At that point Soviet doctrine had shifted from a 7.62x54R rifle to a 7.62x39mm high-power SMG. Something similar was happening in USA, where troops were preferring .30 Carbine to M1/M14.

But sadly we still had that full powered rifle argument at that time. So there wasn't many options for us except AR-10, FAL and G3.

 

[Lonewarrior]

Some people are getting confused between the new NGSW 6.8mm with our AAR 6.8mm. So it's just a random post; my unasked expertise worth two pennies.


1. 1st gen cartridges; like 7.62x51mm, 7.62x54R. These were used on the very first mass issued battle rifles.

2. 2nd gen cartridges; 7.62x39mm, .30 Carbine. Basically the first gen cartridges chopped down a bit. It was done to reduce weight and recoil.

3. 3rd gen cartridges; here came the idea of SCHV or Small Calibre High Velocity cartridge. The motive was to injure a soldier instead of neutralizing him. We got cartridges like 5.56x45mm, 5.45x39mm, the Chinese 5.8mm.

4. 4th gen cartridges; Gulf war highlighted the need for a bigger calibre capable of killing a charging target in minimum possible shots. A plethora of cartridges were developed; 6.5 Grendel, 6.8 Remington SPC, our very own 6.8mm MCIWS.
The most peculiar thing about this generation of cartridges was that they become obsolete as soon as their genesis.

5. 5th gen cartridges; in Afghanistan US faced ridgeline to ridgeline combat for the very first time. Also there was this speculation of Chinese and Russian body armour. So they needed something way more capable than 5.56x45mm but without any drawbacks of 7.62x51mm. This is where we get cartridges like 6.8x51mm, TrueVelocity, CTA.

 

[Aditya Ballal]

SSSD posted it on twitter and then deleted it.

 

[NotASussyBoi]

triple S defence ar 15 interesting

 

[Aditya Ballal]

I wonder if this is their own AR-15 Design or one of the left over display pieces from their erstwhile JV with LMT?

 

[Lonewarrior]

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I wonder if this is their own AR-15 Design or one of the left over display pieces from their erstwhile JV with LMT?

No need to wonder when me is here.

Yup, it's same as LMT's monolithic upper. The only difference is those aesthetic relive cuts on the side; otherwise same.

 

[Johny_Baba]

Colt India MCAR Program

In November of 2011, the Indian army numbered about 1.2 million infantrymen. It was the second largest army in the world. The army had changed its combat rifles only twice since Independence on Aug…

thecoltar15resource.com

Interesting read on IA’s failed MCAR program and Colt’s offering and it’s progress across the testing phase.

Yep i remember about it, actually the author of this article did come here on DFI to ask some things and provide info regd it,
goes by username @BRENT SAUER ,

I am writing an article in the United States for the Colt Collectors Association. I own one of each of the Colt 7.62x39 and 5.56mm AR upper receivers that were tested on rifles in India. However, I cannot find any photos of the Colt rifles that were tested in India in the 2014 time frame. Does anyone have photos of the Colt proposal weapons for the multi-caliber rifle competition?

I am in communication with a person familiar with the trials that lives here in the United States. However, they do not have any photos of the trials either. The Colt submission for the Multi-Calibre Weapon System was a 5.56mm rifle based on their 6940 monolithic upper receiver system. To convert the rifle to 7.62x39mm per the program requirement, Colt provided 7.62x39mm monolithic upper receivers with each 5.56mm rifle. I have been lucky enough to buy from Colt one each of the 5.56mm and the 7.62x39mm upper receivers.





The upper receiver shown in this photo has a label on it from the trials. I am not able to read it. If anyone can translate the label I would be grateful.

I have also received a stock that was used on a trial rifle as shown here:




This photo was provided to me by my contact here in the United States that shows a labeled upper and stock from the India evaluations.



Can a translation of these labels be provided by anyone as well.

With all of this shown, the Colt rifle shown in the post previously appears to be one of the Colt CM901 rifles due to the large size of the magazine (7.62x51mm NATO). I am looking for photos from a different trial with what I have shown...Colt 5.56mm and 7.62x39mm designs as shown.

The Colt proposal was not selected. None of the four weapons evaluated that year were selected by India.

Just curious, which parameter exactly did the weapon fail.

Is it high attitude or cold weather trials?

I have not been able to figure that out yet.

Can anyone read the script that is on this Colt upper receiver label that came from the MCAR weapon trials in India in 2014? I am writing an article and would like to know what it translates to.View attachment 31466

Thank you,

Brent

sadly the host where he posted all those pics of this kit is dead now with the pics gone forever, unless someone here had saved them (i vaguly remember posting them on teligram but had an incident with someone with admin power in a group who mistakenly deleted all my contents there so no idea if even i have it on Teligram anymore or not )

 

[Aditya Ballal]

SSSD’s new test range

 

[Aditya Ballal]

Possibly ARDE 7.62x51mm LMG drawings with SSSD as they’re participating in the competition to produce it.