Small arms and Light Weapons

[SGOperative]

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fk was about to post this you beat me to it

 

[Lonewarrior]

There was supposed to be a 6.8 variant as well

Yup, and that mag is most probably of 6.8x43mm only. It's curvature is exactly between that of STANAG and AK mag.

I wonder which parent case they might have used for this round.

 

[Lonewarrior]

Iron sights again, medeivel era modernisation.
Collimator sights are becoming cheaper while we’re spending ₹5 lakh per I2 sight which can’t be used during daytime so spend some more on other rifles as well.

In less than $1K you'll get a top-of-the-line holographic sight, a decent 6x magnifier and a pivot mount.
Probably the best sight for a machine gun; where you have open non-magnified sight for suppressive fire and 6x reticle for accurate semi-auti shots.

But who's going to tell them

 

[Aditya Ballal]

Where’s the space though for a holographic sight-magnifier combo?

In less than $1K you'll get a top-of-the-line holographic sight, a decent 6x magnifier and a pivot mount.
Probably the best sight for a machine gun; where you have open non-magnified sight for suppressive fire and 6x reticle for accurate semi-auti shots.

But who's going to tell them

 

[Lonewarrior]

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Where’s the space though for a holographic sight-magnifier combo?

That's not a holographic sight. It also has integrated laser and it also runs on a big ass AA battery.

There are much more compact sights like EXPS2.

 

[Aditya Ballal]

That's not a holographic sight. It also has integrated laser and it also runs on a big ass AA battery.

There are much more compact sights like EXPS2.

Mepro M21 just about fits the rail section of the Negevs.
Dimension of M21

Mepro M21 Red Dot Day/Night Self-Illuminated Reflex Sight

Mepro M21 represents the best of Meprolight® tritium technology and remains on active duty for the militaries & law enforcement worldwide.

www.meprolight.com

Dimensions of Eotech EXPS2

EOTECH HWS EXPS2™

The Model EXPS2 allows for co-witnessing of iron sights and has convenient side buttons to add a magnifier. It features an adjustable, locking, quick-detach lever for easy attachment and removal.

www.eotechinc.com

Where do you plan on mounting a magnifier?

EOTECH HHS™ II

The Holographic Hybrid Sight II EXPS-2 with G33.STS Magnifier (HHS II) from EOTECH transitions quickly from short-range to long-range shooting.

www.eotechinc.com

Dimensions of EXPS2 Magnifier Combo.
There just isn’t enough space to properly mount the whole thing and you’d be left within part of the magnifiers small mount with no secure contact with the rail. Hence no one has tried mounting a magnifier combo on this firearm.

 

[Lonewarrior]

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Mepro M21 just about fits the rail section of the Negevs.
Dimension of M21View attachment 128861

Mepro M21 Red Dot Day/Night Self-Illuminated Reflex Sight

Mepro M21 represents the best of Meprolight® tritium technology and remains on active duty for the militaries & law enforcement worldwide.

www.meprolight.com

Dimensions of Eotech EXPS2
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EOTECH HWS EXPS2™

The Model EXPS2 allows for co-witnessing of iron sights and has convenient side buttons to add a magnifier. It features an adjustable, locking, quick-detach lever for easy attachment and removal.

www.eotechinc.com

Where do you plan on mounting a magnifier?

EOTECH HHS™ II

The Holographic Hybrid Sight II EXPS-2 with G33.STS Magnifier (HHS II) from EOTECH transitions quickly from short-range to long-range shooting.

www.eotechinc.com

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Dimensions of EXPS2 Magnifier Combo.
There just isn’t enough space to properly mount the whole thing and you’d be left within part of the magnifiers small mount with no secure contact with the rail. Hence no one has tried mounting a magnifier combo on this firearm.

If....

....then why not!?

 

[Aditya Ballal]

If....
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....then why not!?

Exactly you can mount only one optic, not a combo of 2.

 

[SwordOfDarkness]

Iron sights again, medeivel era modernisation.
Collimator sights are becoming cheaper while we’re spending ₹5 lakh per I2 sight which can’t be used during daytime so spend some more on other rifles as well.

They can be adapted to day use AFAIK.

 

[Lonewarrior]

Exactly you can mount only one optic, not a combo of 2.

EXPS2 with a G45 magnifier should be of almost same length as Mepro x6 scope.

Definitely not a 6x sight, but still very close.

 

[MisraZ]

I had one question guys do we really need 6x scope on a IWI negev ng7?

It's an area suppression weapon, how accurate would it be? Moreover the machine gunner would be accompanied by riflemen (my assumption) who would be armed with sig716i which is DI Battle rifle w/ free floating barrel ( more suitable as a marksman rifle).

Not to mention sustained vibration induced due to mg firing might damage the 6x optic(assumption: mg would be used in full auto bursts most of the time compared to sig 716 which would be used in semi auto ).

Please provide your views.

 

[FalconSlayers]

I had one question guys do we really need 6x scope on a IWI negev ng7?

It's an area suppression weapon, how accurate would it be? Moreover the machine gunner would be accompanied by riflemen (my assumption) who would be armed with sig716i which is DI Battle rifle w/ free floating barrel ( more suitable as a marksman rifle).

Not to mention sustained vibration induced due to mg firing might damage the 6x optic(assumption: mg would be used in full auto bursts most of the time compared to sig 716 which would be used in semi auto ).

Please provide your views.

I want a Tritium powered Mepro Mor fixed on every Negev LMG nothing else.

 

[Tactical Doge]

I had one question guys do we really need 6x scope on a IWI negev ng7?

It's an area suppression weapon, how accurate would it be? Moreover the machine gunner would be accompanied by riflemen (my assumption) who would be armed with sig716i which is DI Battle rifle w/ free floating barrel ( more suitable as a marksman rifle).

Not to mention sustained vibration induced due to mg firing might damage the 6x optic(assumption: mg would be used in full auto bursts most of the time compared to sig 716 which would be used in semi auto ).

Please provide your views.

I remember a Larry Vickers video on the same
It is pretty accurate I guess
Edit: added the YouThoob link
Yeah but I agree with you tho

 

[Lonewarrior]

I had one question guys do we really need 6x scope on a IWI negev ng7?

It's an area suppression weapon, how accurate would it be? Moreover the machine gunner would be accompanied by riflemen (my assumption) who would be armed with sig716i which is DI Battle rifle w/ free floating barrel ( more suitable as a marksman rifle).

Not to mention sustained vibration induced due to mg firing might damage the 6x optic(assumption: mg would be used in full auto bursts most of the time compared to sig 716 which would be used in semi auto ).

Please provide your views.

- Flip off the magnifier and you have a large unobstructed sight to engage area targets.
Why holographic? Because as you mentioned, vibration in full auto fire. That only affect when you increase the magnification.

- Flip on the magnifier, select semi-auto mode and take pretty accurate shots. No need to depend on your DMR.
Remember Negev's RPM can be lowered, so with that you can even take accurate shots in small burst.
Moreover, with semi-auto and magnified sights you can conceal the machine gun up until the last moment you need to provide suppressive fire.

Not having a magnifier won't have any negetive effect on Negevs. But having one would take it to its maximum potential.

 

[ManhattanProject]

looks well thought out, even takes g3 mags.

 

[Tactical Doge]

looks well thought out, even takes g3 mags.

It kinda looks like a G3 with Make-up

FYI, Not shittin' on it though, good weapon

 

[FalconSlayers]

looks well thought out, even takes g3 mags.

Because it is a modified G3

 

[Lonewarrior]

If we go with BW20, we'll have last round catch. But we'll need new mags.

If we go with BW21, we can use existing stockpile of G3 mags. But no last round catch.

Ya khuda...

 

[Aditya Ballal]

EXPS2 with a G45 magnifier should be of almost same length as Mepro x6 scope.

Definitely not a 6x sight, but still very close.

G33 and G45 use the same mount from the factory, unless you’re saying ask them to possibly make an even smaller mount for either one of the 2 optics in the combo or use an aftermarket one if a smaller one is available. Here for a combo, the outright length of the combo doesn’t really matter, but comes down to the length of the mount vs length of the Negev’s rail section.

 

[Aditya Ballal]

They can be adapted to day use AFAIK.

They can, but they aren’t as efficient as day sights in the day and will consume more battery than a day sight, also the possibility of damage is much more as NVDs are sensitive pieces of technology.