Small arms and Light Weapons

[Automatic Kalashnikov]

So basically we want to depend on Russia and also USA, coz we don't want to depend solely on one power. Makes sense.

But why the heck we never consider not depending on any other power?

You never know, Russia may have brought/honey trapped some bureaucrat or politician or some officer to push for the 203

 

[Lonewarrior]

At one place we are talking about personal benefit(Mx4) and the other being a political benefit for the Nation one might agree or disagree with it.

Now you're being bit delusion
Don't be so naive about the choice of the place to manufacture AK-203.

 

[SGOperative]

So basically we want to depend on Russia and also USA, coz we don't want to depend solely on one power. Makes sense.

But why the heck we never consider not depending on any other power?

You have to diversify till you reach self sufficiency

 

[SGOperative]

Now you're being bit delusion
Don't be so naive about the choice of the place to manufacture AK-203.

It was purely political and not a personal benefit one like MX4

 

[SGOperative]

You never know, Russia may have brought/honey trapped some bureaucrat or politician or some officer to push for the 203

They dont need to do that the Army Chaps already love the AK design and tbh we got the troops happy too and it became part of the political playbook too

 

[Lonewarrior]

the Army Chaps already love the AK design and tbh we got the troops happy too

That's the end of argument.

Good luck to them, engaging enemies in open fields and in ridgeline-to-ridgeline combat.

 

[SGOperative]

That's the end of argument.

Good luck to them, engaging enemies in open fields and in ridgeline-to-ridgeline combat.

The avg distance at which our engagements take place is well within the ballistic range

 

[Lonewarrior]

The avg distance at which our engagements take place is well within the ballistic range

Then why were we so rushed to buy 7.62x51mm!?

 

[SGOperative]

Then why were we so rushed to buy 7.62x51mm!?

Better performance overall in the mountainous region and before this we used a mix of Insas and AK at the LOC

 

[Lonewarrior]

 

[SGOperative]

 

[Kuldeepm952]

Dude, it's all just a large maze leading nowhere.
-> Changes to 7.62 nato for better range and hitting power compared to other ammos like 5.56.
-> Also orders a large amount of ak103 which has bad ballistics compared to 5.56.
-> People saying that soldiers trust ak more and normal engagment is 250m and just fine for that.
-> then nibbar asks why order 7.62 nato.
-> People saying that it's good for mountains and good for longer ranges.
-> nibbar confused and asks people that they said avg engaent range is 250m? Nibbar is totally confused now why sig if for avg range ak 103 is good according to people.
-> nibbar again asks people that why not order more 7.62nato sigs as they are almost the same price as that of ak 103 and future proof for coming times against body armours too. Also border areas are either mountains or deserts making sigs the best choice.
->People saying that it's an ak and it's all that matters. Not having collapsible buttstock is not a problem at all at this price point. According to them Russians are totally NOT milking us at all. People also saying that Ak is ideal for CI/CT ops.
-> Nibbar baafled asks why 7 lakh Aks, around 1.5 lakh Aks will do the job for CI/CT.
-> People saying Ak is Ak and thats the only truth in guns world.
-> Nibbar has been bamboozled. Even after learning everything about reasoning he can't make out where is head or tails of this argument.

 

[Lonewarrior]

Dude, it's all just a large maze leading nowhere.
-> Changes to 7.62 nato for better range and hitting power compared to other ammos like 5.56.
-> Also orders a large amount of ak103 which has bad ballistics compared to 5.56.
-> People saying that soldiers trust ak more and normal engagment is 250m and just fine for that.
-> then nibbar asks why order 7.62 nato.
-> People saying that it's good for mountains and good for longer ranges.
-> nibbar confused and asks people that they said avg engaent range is 250m? Nibbar is totally confused now why sig if for avg range ak 103 is good according to people.
-> nibbar again asks people that why not order more 7.62nato sigs as they are almost the same price as that of ak 103 and future proof for coming times against body armours too. Also border areas are either mountains or deserts making sigs the best choice.
->People saying that it's an ak and it's all that matters. Not having collapsible buttstock is not a problem at all at this price point. According to them Russians are totally NOT milking us at all. People also saying that Ak is ideal for CI/CT ops.
-> Nibbar baafled asks why 7 lakh Aks, around 1.5 lakh Aks will do the job for CI/CT.
-> People saying Ak is Ak and thats the only truth in guns world.
-> Nibbar has been bamboozled. Even after learning everything about reasoning he can't make out where is head or tails of this argument.

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- And now poor nibba is desperately searching for phenyl to drink

 

[FalconSlayers]

IIRC, the deal was signed in early 2012.

Fun Fact : At that time we paid a whopping 1.9 lakh for a machine pistol.

Well that included the collimator sights which came along with them.

 

[SGOperative]

- And now poor nibba is desperately searching for phenyl to drink

Nah had a orange juice

 

[Lonewarrior]

Well that included the collimator sights which came along with them.

Aaaah, missed those Z points. My bad.

Funny how Indian army always finds the most expensive option out of all the available alternatives.
Scorpio is the best example.

 

[Whitecollar]

You never know, Russia may have brought/honey trapped some bureaucrat or politician or some officer to push for the 203

As somebody rightly said on strategic front post: delegation to MoD had visited Russia Kalashnikov concern with confirmation and groundwork of AK 103. Kalashnikov tesm convinced them that AK 203 was a better suited rifle than the 103. Then delegation came back and after few months Mr Modi announced that INSAS was getting replaced by AK 203.

Imagine shitty delegation with NIL idea about rifle, ballistics, etc going for riful selection(that too abroad) and coming back being convinced about buying a different riful than intended.

 

[Aditya Ballal]

BEL Holographic Sight, designed by IRDE lab of DRDO and manufactured by BEL at their Machilipatnam facility.

 

[India Super Power]

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BEL Holographic Sight, designed by IRDE lab of DRDO.

Isn't optical surface bit larger
Not criticizing that could be our force's requirement

 

[Lonewarrior]

Isn't optical surface bit larger

Isn't that a pro!?