Small arms and Light Weapons

[FalconSlayers]

That's nearly 6000 dollars

Even costliest gun sights are upto 4k dollars

Well it’s I2 sight being procured so it will include IR illuminators as well.

 

[Marliii]

Well it’s I2 sight being procured so it will include IR illuminators as well.

Ain't this all a little too good to be true ?

 

[FalconSlayers]

Ain't this all a little too good to be true ?

I don’t think so, by IR illuminator I didn’t mean PEQ-15 but just an IR illuminator flashlight. You don’t need laser pointer for obvious reasons as the sight has its own reticle.

 

[Kuldeepm952]

I call this BS, in the past also Indian Army has said they’ll buy fancy toys but never did anything.

Army launches hunt for 56,000 night sights for assault rifles

The army wants 40,000 image intensifier-based night sights and 16,000 thermal imaging based night sights, officials said.

www.hindustantimes.com

Why does this reminds me of something? *Cough* exactly similiar past tenders *Cough*

 

[Aditya Ballal]

Garud firing his 5.56 Negev LMG from a vehicle(might be the new Ashok Leyland LBPV they’ve purchased).

 

[Haldilal]

Ya'll Nibbiars

 

[Angel of War]

Not all guns made by OFB are bad OK, they make the FN Mag and Bren which are excellent weapons . Although Bren is now obsolete

 

[Lonewarrior]

Not all guns made by OFB are bad OK, they make the FN Mag and Bren which are excellent weapons .

And FALs and Sterlings and Inglish and SMLEs too are excellent weapons.

But ever wondered why? Or how.

Because they were not the one who designed the TDP; someone else did.
They simply paid a charge and got the TDP.

 

[SKC]

Cursed Indian Guns Part 2:
Introducing TARINSAS
Has TAR and bullpup design INSAS combined
Fires both 5.56x45 and 7.62x39(multicaliber)
State of the art optics
OFB Zindabaad

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[Love Charger]

And FALs and Sterlings and Inglish and SMLEs too are excellent weapons.

But ever wondered why? Or how.

Because they were not the one who designed the TDP; someone else did.
They simply paid a charge and got the TDP.

We should ask the English to design a rifle for India then ?

 

[SGOperative]

We should ask the English to design a rifle for India then ?

ARDE made JVPC they can make good guns period

 

[Love Charger]

ARDE made JVPC they can make good guns period

When will jvpc be inducted ?

 

[SGOperative]

When will jvpc be inducted ?

in Service with Coast Guard, CISF, CRPF too probably

 

[Lonewarrior]

We should ask the English to design a rifle for India then ?

Ya that would work perfectly; remember Arjun or ALH or Tejas, all are made after asking some "English". But sadly it'll only work in short run.

Now let me tell you something that will work in long run.

"We should ask our engineering youth to at least once in a lifetime engage in something called R&D"

 

[SGOperative]

Ya that would work perfectly; remember Arjun or ALH or Tejas, all are made after asking some "English". But sadly it'll only work in short run.

Now let me tell you something that will work in long run.

"We should ask our engineering youth to at least once in a lifetime engage in something called R&D"

ALH and Tejas more than enough R&D done by Indian Engineer so idk what you are talking about

 

[Aditya Ballal]

ALH and Tejas more than enough R&D done by Indian Engineer so idk what you are talking about

He’s referring to the partnerships with Krauss Maffei, MBB and Dassault-Breguet respectively and others as consultants for these projects.
Frankly I don’t see the problem with doing this as they’ve helped shorten design and certification times by a lot for first time projects in fields where we had absolutely to very little know how in designing or building them. In the case of ALH Dhruv, through the experience gained from the partnership with MBB, HAL Rotary Wing division was able to design HAL LCH and LUH with minimal foreign assistance and has now taken on the task of developing the larger IMRH helicopter.
Almost all the R&D for sub systems airframe was done by Indian scientists with the help of foreign consultants.
These projects are not the right analogy for what you are trying convey @Lonewarrior , as you are making it appear as we’ve had absolutely little to know part in the development of these projects and it has just been handed to us after paying fees. Ex: Sukhoi-HAL Su-30MKI and JF-17 projects, where almost all R&D is done abroad and just some parts of the manufacturing and assembly are done locally.

 

[Lonewarrior]

He’s referring to the partnerships with Krauss Maffei, MBB and Dassault-Breguet respectively and others as consultants for these projects.
Frankly I don’t see the problem with doing this as they’ve helped shorten design and certification times by a lot for first time projects in fields where we had absolutely to very little know how in designing or building them. In the case of ALH Dhruv, through the experience gained from the partnership with MBB, HAL Rotary Wing division was able to design HAL LCH and LUH with minimal foreign assistance and has now taken on the task of developing the larger IMRH helicopter.
Almost all the R&D for sub systems airframe was done by Indian scientists with the help of foreign consultants.
These projects are not the right analogy for what you are trying convey @Lonewarrior , as you are making it appear as we’ve had absolutely little to know part in the development of these projects and it has just been handed to us after paying fees. Ex: Sukhoi-HAL Su-30MKI and JF-17 projects, where almost all R&D is done abroad and just some parts of the manufacturing and assembly are done locally.

Answer honestly; do we have research and development attitude in India?

 

[Aditya Ballal]

Answer honestly; do we have research and development attitude in India?

In some fields yes and zilch in most.

 

[Lonewarrior]

In some fields yes and zilch in most.

That's what I'm trying to convey. We never invent something. We never lead the world in term of R&D in defence.

"But as of now we have started local manufacturing of all the subsystems", is this what R&D means? That's our bar?

 

[Aditya Ballal]

That's what I'm trying to convey. We never invent something. We never lead the world in term of R&D in defence.

"But as of now we have started local manufacturing of all the subsystems", is this what R&D means? That's our bar?

How do you expect one to start?