Small arms and Light Weapons

[Marliii]

Carbine with 2 triggers?

Yup army once did it

 

[Aditya Ballal]

Carbine with 2 triggers?

 

[Marliii]

They will ask for two barrels too.after some time seeing demo ranch videos

 

[Marliii]

1) 7.62x39mm has its limitations. It's not suitable for combat beyond 300m and bullet drop is considerable. Pakis use G3, which is a good battle rifle. That would put you in a disadvantage. Definitely not a political overdrive in fact it's the other way around as @Marliii said(ak203 is a political deal).

2) You need a bargaining chip when the other party treats you as a cash cow. You want us to pay royalty for a widely copied design from 50s. If you are doing that then that's foolish

3) True. Domestic sector under monopoly of OFB produced weapons with horrible QC standards so the end user will exploit that by saying none of Domestic weapons will meet QC standards of army. This coming from people who designed the gsqr for carbine with 2 triggers is funny actually.

Ak with it's 7.62x39 bullet which every fanboys have made it into almost mythological one shot bullet May work against terrorists with zero body armor but the main reason the muricans are dumping 5.56 is not becuse its a BB gun cartridge as some guys say.5.56 is deadly but against body armor which is getting profilerared all around its not enough.so they are going for NGSW.and its a great idea.during ww2 ww1 a lot of countries used rifle calibre weapons but nearly all used iron sights with which they couldn't hit their targets at long range and they found out most fights happen around 100m range.so came assault rifles but with the new NGSW optics and ballistic computers the troopers will be able to hit targets long range and even defeat the body armour. After sometime IA will be saying that 7.62x39 cannot defeat body armour and guys in twitter would be saying 7.62x39 was not designed to kill .just like what they say about 5.56

 

[Lonewarrior]

Can anyone guesstimate Trichy Assult Rifle's cost?

 

[Vayuputra]

Can anyone guesstimate Trichy Assult Rifle's cost?

80k per piece without any accessories.

 

[Johny_Baba]

Estonian soldier with Galil AR, soon to be replaced with LMT made gas piston AR rifles.

 

[Spadex]

 

[Johny_Baba]

Naik - "Um Sir, May i get a rifle issued with modular buttst..."
Captain - *doesn't utter a word, just shows it*

(bonus, templates in spoiler)

Spoiler: meme templates

 

[Flying Dagger]

80k per piece without any accessories.

It's reduced now last time I heard it was 70 k with possibility of further reduction that might have happened now hopefully. But in any case expensive shit.


We should have simply gone for AR-15 license production route if nothing else for carbine and rifle both. But then creating unwanted mess is our speciality.

Kalshnikovs production route is also fine but didn't needed russia for that..

 

[Aditya Ballal]

It's reduced now last time I heard it was 70 k with possibility of further reduction that might have happened now hopefully. But in any case expensive shit.


We should have simply gone for AR-15 license production route if nothing else for carbine and rifle both. But then creating unwanted mess is our speciality.

Kalshnikovs production route is also fine but didn't needed russia for that..

It is expensive since it’s only in limited production for small numbers, attaining scale with 4 digits orders are not possible.

 

[Lonewarrior]

It's reduced now last time I heard it was 70 k with possibility of further reduction that might have happened now hopefully. But in any case expensive shit.


We should have simply gone for AR-15 license production route if nothing else for carbine and rifle both. But then creating unwanted mess is our speciality.

Kalshnikovs production route is also fine but didn't needed russia for that..

And to summarise everything you said, we were one of the very first countries to evaluate AR-10; and obviously, ditch it.

 

[Haldilal]

Ya'll Nibbiars when you carry your small arms to the Office. The AK's. @Johny_Baba.

 

[Flying Dagger]

And to summarise everything you said, we were one of the very first countries to evaluate AR-10; and obviously, ditch it.

That's true but was a good choice then . Infact we did fine too with SLR but not bringing AKs in the mix early on costed us lots of lives.

 

[Flying Dagger]

Ya'll Nibbiars when you carry your small arms to the Office. The AK's. @Johny_Baba.

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Does he even knows how to switch on a laptop.

 

[Flying Dagger]

It is expensive since it’s only in limited production for small numbers, attaining scale with 4 digits orders are not possible.

The orders have increased and are always more than 5 digit marks but let's not blame the order size completely for cost . OFB over price it's stuff to show some profit to the gov and get promoted etc. And I am fine with that as long as they give value for money to the customers.. which they don't.

 

[another_armchair]

Does he even knows how to switch on a laptop.

The power button is colored in red and has the 'Explosion' -> emoji.

Nobrainer after that. These guys are sharp.

 

[Johny_Baba]

And to summarise everything you said, we were one of the very first countries to evaluate AR-10; and obviously, ditch it.

Not ;we; as in armed forces, our eminent Raksha Mantri of the time had this thing against Americans that he commented somewhere "No...No...We don't want NATO weapon here" something in that tone...and eventually armed forces continued to use .303 Enfield rifles from angrez era.

 

[Lonewarrior]

Not ;we; as in armed forces, our eminent Raksha Mantri of the time had this thing against Americans that he commented somewhere "No...No...We don't want NATO weapon here" something in that tone...and eventually armed forces continued to use .303 Enfield rifles from angrez era.

And after a mere four years we went back to that same NATO calibre. But sadly in the form of FAL.

Independent India's arms procurement has always been a soap opera.

 

[Lonewarrior]

It is expensive since it’s only in limited production for small numbers, attaining scale with 4 digits orders are not possible.

It's not in limited production.
Majority of parts in TAR are being produced since a very long time.
Costliest part that's proprietary to TAR is its receiver. But that too is milled. And the effect of economies of scale on CNC produced parts is negligible.