Small arms and Light Weapons

[Kchontha]

All the flows of insas had been corrected in mk1b.

 

[Kchontha]

Insas 1b

 

[FalconSlayers]

 

[FalconSlayers]

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He‘s using that grip perfectly .

 

[MisraZ]

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Pm md 65?

 

[Whitecollar]

Best bet for IA- 5.56x45 vs 7.62x39:

5.56x45:
Avg 55 grain bullet
Higher velocity
More range
Much less recoil

7.62x39:
Avg 135 grain(almost 3 times 5.56)
Higher stopping power
Lesser range(high wind succeptible)
Higher recoil

With rifle like Excalibur, soldier is able to carry 30 rounds per mag with 5 mags(1 in gun + 4 in pockets) so total 150 bullets per person. Supports modern optics and scopes. Recoil is much less making follow up shots a breeze. Can fire in auto mode with lesser recoil induced.

With rifle like AK, soldier is able to carry 30 rounds per mag with 3-4 mags in total. Overall weight carried is almost 3 times that of 5.56 mags(imagine climbing Siachen with this load). Overall range is lesser. Follow up shots need more effort and takes more time. Recoil is much more taking toll on shoulders when fired for long. Auto mode firing is like getting hit by donkey repeatedly.

With Sig 716, only 4 mags carried in total(20x4=80 bullets) per soldier. It is however necessary given the border geography so no comments.

Modern warfare relies on suppression tactics which require more bullets to be sprayed onto enemy. 556 is apt for short range skirmishes as they are highly lethal in that range. Lesser weight means more agility and flexibility while pushing forward in firefights. Higher velocity means more penetration into armour plates ( AP rounds) that 7.62x39 just cannot do after 200mtr.

So, I really...really don't know why IA wants so many trade offs against just "stopping power"

 

[FalconSlayers]

Best bet for IA- 5.56x45 vs 7.62x39:

5.56x45:
Avg 55 grain bullet
Higher velocity
More range
Much less recoil

7.62x39:
Avg 135 grain(almost 3 times 5.56)
Higher stopping power
Lesser range(high wind succeptible)
Higher recoil

With rifle like Excalibur, soldier is able to carry 30 rounds per mag with 5 mags(1 in gun + 4 in pockets) so total 150 bullets per person. Supports modern optics and scopes. Recoil is much less making follow up shots a breeze. Can fire in auto mode with lesser recoil induced.

With rifle like AK, soldier is able to carry 30 rounds per mag with 3-4 mags in total. Overall weight carried is almost 3 times that of 5.56 mags(imagine climbing Siachen with this load). Overall range is lesser. Follow up shots need more effort and takes more time. Recoil is much more taking toll on shoulders when fired for long. Auto mode firing is like getting hit by donkey repeatedly.

With Sig 716, only 4 mags carried in total(20x4=80 bullets) per soldier. It is however necessary given the border geography so no comments.

Modern warfare relies on suppression tactics which require more bullets to be sprayed onto enemy. 556 is apt for short range skirmishes as they are highly lethal in that range. Lesser weight means more agility and flexibility while pushing forward in firefights. Higher velocity means more penetration into armour plates ( AP rounds) that 7.62x39 just cannot do after 200mtr.

So, I really...really don't know why IA wants so many trade offs against just "stopping power"

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You’re overhyping AK Recoil, you should see the Russians spraying their AK-103s like it’s nothing, the muzzle device makes it easier to shoot 7.62x39.

 

[Whitecollar]

You’re overhyping AK Recoil, you should see the Russians spraying their AK-103s like it’s nothing, the muzzle device makes it easier to shoot 7.62x39.

Dude, I do agree that vertical recoil is almost compensated now a days. This was not what I meant. Instead, the bigger enemy here is Newton's 3rd law that takes a toll on shoulder(AKs have a powerful back recoil as a result of higher stopping power). Try firing an AK once. It feels like a bike hit you at medium speed. Shooting AR 15s, 5.45mm AKs is a much better pain free experience. In a war, imagine shooting 150-300 rounds continuously with AK. Shoulder fatigue should be the last thing our soldiers should experience.
I Always say: see Ruskies and Chinks. They had World class 7.62 AKs but they still ditched that caliber for lighter rounds.
Plus this is just my opinion. IA will never listen to a nerd like me

 

[Maharaj samudragupt]

Best bet for IA- 5.56x45 vs 7.62x39:

5.56x45:
Avg 55 grain bullet
Higher velocity
More range
Much less recoil

7.62x39:
Avg 135 grain(almost 3 times 5.56)
Higher stopping power
Lesser range(high wind succeptible)
Higher recoil

With rifle like Excalibur, soldier is able to carry 30 rounds per mag with 5 mags(1 in gun + 4 in pockets) so total 150 bullets per person. Supports modern optics and scopes. Recoil is much less making follow up shots a breeze. Can fire in auto mode with lesser recoil induced.

With rifle like AK, soldier is able to carry 30 rounds per mag with 3-4 mags in total. Overall weight carried is almost 3 times that of 5.56 mags(imagine climbing Siachen with this load). Overall range is lesser. Follow up shots need more effort and takes more time. Recoil is much more taking toll on shoulders when fired for long. Auto mode firing is like getting hit by donkey repeatedly.

With Sig 716, only 4 mags carried in total(20x4=80 bullets) per soldier. It is however necessary given the border geography so no comments.

Modern warfare relies on suppression tactics which require more bullets to be sprayed onto enemy. 556 is apt for short range skirmishes as they are highly lethal in that range. Lesser weight means more agility and flexibility while pushing forward in firefights. Higher velocity means more penetration into armour plates ( AP rounds) that 7.62x39 just cannot do after 200mtr.

So, I really...really don't know why IA wants so many trade offs against just "stopping power"

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Cqb is priority here .

 

[Whitecollar]

Cqb is priority here .

That is for COIN and Anti terrorist ops dude. For that, RR and other battalions can be given around 1 lakh AK-203s but then we already have cheaper TAR and Ghatak at home so I see no point. But for whole forward IA troops, 7.62x39 adoption seems weird.
With 7.62 NATO complementing 5.56, ammo would be common for both assault rifle and carbines in future.
Again, find out why Ruskies and Chinks rejected 7.62x39 as their standard rounds.

 

[FalconSlayers]

Dude, I do agree that vertical recoil is almost compensated now a days. This was not what I meant. Instead, the bigger enemy here is Newton's 3rd law that takes a toll on shoulder(AKs have a powerful back recoil as a result of higher stopping power). Try firing an AK once. It feels like a bike hit you at medium speed. Shooting AR 15s, 5.45mm AKs is a much better pain free experience. In a war, imagine shooting 150-300 rounds continuously with AK. Shoulder fatigue should be the last thing our soldiers should experience.
I Always say: see Ruskies and Chinks. They had World class 7.62 AKs but they still ditched that caliber for lighter rounds.
Plus this is just my opinion. IA will never listen to a nerd like me

See I have always vouched for 5.45x39 to be standard issue, but it won’t happen so we should cope with it, Army wants 7.62x39 so no choice except cope.

 

[Automatic Kalashnikov]

Which gun?

 

[shuvo@y2k10]

Which gun?

Seems like SVD Dragunov

 

[MisraZ]

Which gun?

Seems like a Galil Galatz to me. @Unknowncommando 2 can you please id?

 

[Marliii]

 

[Marliii]

 

[Marliii]

 

[Kchontha]

Ak was a stop gaped for 2nd ww carbine like sterling but it turns out to be an excellent weapon against the ak wielding tangos. 7.62 nato rifles are needed to counter g3 wielding porkies in the northern fronts. Just my 1 cent idea.

 

[FalconSlayers]

CZ BREN would have been better instead of AK-203, what’s the cost?

 

[Maharaj samudragupt]

CZ BREN would have been better instead of AK-203, what’s the cost?
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Too much fancy looking .