Small arms and Light Weapons

[Spindrift]

These guys quite a headache.
They know only how to make weapons, and they know it fetches money so these fuckers sell these to every insurgency group they can.
Right from local gangsters to terrorist groups, but biggest buyers are naxals

Wait till they acquire a 3D printer and and gain some experience with electrochemical machining for rifling barrels

 

[Flying Dagger]

That is for the Army to decide whether they want 7.62*51 or 7.62*39mm. They decided in 2016-17 that Insas replacement should be 7.62*51mm rifle from abroad.

Then in 2018-19 under Army Cheif Bipin Rawat, the deal was bifurcated into expensive import of 7.62 NATO rifle from abroad and cheaper AK from JV. Now JV is in limbo as Russian are quoting excessive price for royalty. In the meanwhile already 1.44 L Sigs are purchased through emergency.

So we should go back to 2016-17 plan for 7.62NATO rifle as replacement of Insas.

Also, the existing AK stockpile of Eastern European AKs with FAB accesories are enough to take care of Rashtriya Rifles and Assam rifles.

No that is for army to decide if they are going with AK that's their decision.

 

[Flying Dagger]

Can someone confirm if we have atleast replaced the rifles armour plates etc provided to army personnels deployed in UN mission ?

 

[Aspirant847]

I know I being a bad human being saying this
But they won't stop this nonsense Human rights halla-balla until some Jihadi blows himself up in their own turf

whaaaa, killing terrorists and jihads, man you guys are savages, get them some food and pissfully win their harts

 

[Aspirant847]

Sig sauer Virtus should be made in India, with ToT!!

What's tot?

 

[Harbinger]

whaaaa, killing terrorists and jihads, man you guys are savages, get them some food and pissfully win their harts

Sar, we aar giving them what they want, janatt ki hoooooooooor

 

[Automatic Kalashnikov]

What's tot?

Transfer of technology

 

[Aditya Ballal]

Can anyone please identify the laser designator?

 

[Tactical Doge]

Unrelated:
What's the mandate of SSB jawans
This person was from SSB and spotted him at the border between Kerala and Tamil Nadu like 15 minutes ago
Anyone has any insights

 

[Aditya Ballal]

Unrelated:
What's the mandate of SSB jawans
This person was from SSB and spotted him at the border between Kerala and Tamil Nadu like 15 minutes ago
Anyone has any insights

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Election duties...mandate is to guard Nepal and Bhutan borders.

 

[Harbinger]

Meanwhile off the topic, take a look at Pakistani made "m16" rifles on ak receivers, seized by bsf in punjab.

 

[Harbinger]

Unrelated:
What's the mandate of SSB jawans
This person was from SSB and spotted him at the border between Kerala and Tamil Nadu like 15 minutes ago
Anyone has any insights

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Forces belonging to CAPF group are also used as auxiliary police along with state police if there's any kind of civil unrest. They assist local police in crowd controlling

 

[Tactical Doge]

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Meanwhile off the topic, take a look at Pakistani made "m16" rifles on ak receivers, seized by bsf in punjab.

Read carefully what's written on the weapon
Like those Chinese knock off toys o used to have as a kid

 

[Harbinger]

Read carefully what's written on the weapon
Like those Chinese knock off toys o used to have as a kid

Yeah that's why i posted it here

 

[ALBY]

@Gessler @Johny_Baba its a proven fact that sight radius and accuracy are directly proportional to each other. If its the case why almost all the rifles of present generation doesnt have front sight posted at the barrel tip instead of either over the gastube (Insas, Ak-15/Galil) or at the end of the hand guard (M416).Whats the negative side of putting the front sight at barrel tip just like VZs or AkMs

 

[Gessler]

@Gessler @Johny_Baba its a proven fact that sight radius and accuracy are directly proportional to each other. If its the case why almost all the rifles of present generation doesnt have front sight posted at the barrel tip instead of either over the gastube (Insas, Ak-15/Galil) or at the end of the hand guard (M416).Whats the negative side of putting the front sight at barrel tip just like VZs or AkMs

This question requires historic perspective to answer, and I'm not Ian McCollum of Forgotten Weapons.

From what I think -

Though its true that longer sight radius helps accuracy with irons once you are dialed in, its easier to 'acquire' the sightline (line up the sights) with a shorter radius. So its a balance between accuracy & speed of use. And given the limitations of intermediary cartridges adopted from 60s onwards, long-range marksmanship-level accuracy was never expected from the iron sights, world had already moved to optics for marksmanship back in WW2 and by 60s, even more so.

Since 90s, optics are becoming standard place for all infantry rifles, so iron sights are simply nothing but a back-up option in case of emergency.

Some of the design limitations of having a front sight post at the very front is likely to entail how likely it would be to snag on something (serious problem with AK sight btw, more so than any other front sight). Performance-wise, its better to have the least amount of weight resting on the barrel for best accuracy (barrel should be allowed to move freely under force of recoil viz. barrel harmonics or the idea behind free-float handguards).

Just some stuff I could think of off the back of my mind.

 

[Fire and groove]

@Gessler @Johny_Baba its a proven fact that sight radius and accuracy are directly proportional to each other. If its the case why almost all the rifles of present generation doesnt have front sight posted at the barrel tip instead of either over the gastube (Insas, Ak-15/Galil) or at the end of the hand guard (M416).Whats the negative side of putting the front sight at barrel tip just like VZs or AkMs

Because it would affect ballistics, and most likely cause the front sight to be blown off if you put it at the tip. Even if you put it on the barrel it'll affect accuracy since you're now causing interruptions in the vibrations of the barrel when a round is fired. This is why free floating barrels are important these days.

Gessler is kinda wrong on the target acquisition part of a longer sight radius. It's actually easier to line up a shot with a longer sight radius due to a lesser of an impact of each second of angle of aiming error. This is also why even a basic rifle is far easier and faster to aim than a pistol, lesser margin for error.

 

[Gessler]

Gessler is kinda wrong on the target acquisition part of a longer sight radius. It's actually easier to line up a shot with a longer sight radius due to a lesser of an impact of each second of angle of aiming error. This is also why even a basic rifle is far easier and faster to aim than a pistol, lesser margin for error.

That's not because the radius is greater, but because the amount of eye relief on a basic hunting rifle is very minimal compared to a handgun. Now imagine lining up the sights on a handgun with a 10" barrel, when the rear sight itself is several feet away from your eye. That's why it's a poor example to compare handgun with a rifle when making a point about sight radius or target acquisition.

This is also part of the reason why people find AR-15 sights far more comfortable to use than an AK sight, even though sight radius on both is pretty much the same.

The comparison in this context is between a RIFLE with shorter radius vs one with longer. i.e. where the eye relief is the same but difference is in radius alone.

 

[Gessler]

That's not because the radius is lesser, but because the amount of eye relief on a basic hunting rifle is very minimal compared to a handgun. Now imagine lining up the sights on a handgun with a 10" barrel, when the rear sight itself is several feet away from your eye. That's why it's a poor example to compare handgun with a rifle when making a point about sight radius or target acquisition.

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This is also part of the reason why people find AR-15 sights far more comfortable to use than an AK sight, even though sight radius on both is pretty much the same.

The comparison in this context is between a RIFLE with shorter radius vs one with longer. i.e. where the eye relief is the same but difference is in radius alone.

And that's also why when the Russians moved the rear sight of the AK-12/AK-15s back, they also moved the front sight back by a bit - it was one of the improvements suggested after initial round of testing with original AK-12 (2nd pic) which still had the front sight where AKs typically have it.

 

[Harbinger]

Off topic, but still worth seeing. Jharkhand Police and CRPF seized a German made HK 93 from naxals in jharkhand.