Small arms and Light Weapons

[Maharaj samudragupt]

Off topic, but still worth seeing. Jharkhand Police and CRPF seized a German made HK 93 from naxals in jharkhand.

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These bastrads were not supplying us with weapons ?
They supply to naxals that's why .

 

[Harbinger]

These bastrads were not supplying us with weapons ?
They supply to naxals that's why .

Perhaps, also this isn't the first time.

 

[Maharaj samudragupt]

Perhaps, also this isn't the first time.

I know that.
Whu you think these missionaries were doing.

 

[Harbinger]

I know that.
Whu you think these missionaries were doing.

Riceb@gz in whole chattisgarh and jharkhand naxal belt

 

[Tactical Doge]

Off topic, but still worth seeing. Jharkhand Police and CRPF seized a German made HK 93 from naxals in jharkhand.

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Isn't this the grown up mp5 in 5.56

 

[Johny_Baba]

These bastrads were not supplying us with weapons ?
They supply to naxals that's why .

Chill, H&K still sold us MP-5, PSG-1//MSG-90 and also offered G41 when replacement of SLRs was being found (INSAS times i meant); besides HK93 is semi-auto only civilian variant of the HK33 assault rifle so it may have come from some civvie ricebag supplier i believe.

 

[ladder]

Chill, H&K still sold us MP-5, PSG-1//MSG-90 and also offered G41 when replacement of SLRs was being found (INSAS times i meant); besides HK93 is semi-auto only civilian variant of the HK33 assault rifle so it may have come from some civvie ricebag supplier i believe.

The ban was never pan India. It was targeted against certain organization and specific states in the union of India.

If you ask me, the above trend is more worrisome than a pan India ban by Germany.

Kashmir: army human rights record raises barrier before German arms exports

The country is India’s sixth-largest trading partner and its largest trading partner from the European Union

www.telegraphindia.com

 

[Akula]

And that's also why when the Russians moved the rear sight of the AK-12/AK-15s back, they also moved the front sight back by a bit - it was one of the improvements suggested after initial round of testing with original AK-12 (2nd pic) which still had the front sight where AKs typically have it.

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Israel improved the aiming sight of AK-47 after they captured it from the Syrians.

 

[Harbinger]

Chill, H&K still sold us MP-5, PSG-1//MSG-90 and also offered G41 when replacement of SLRs was being found (INSAS times i meant); besides HK93 is semi-auto only civilian variant of the HK33 assault rifle so it may have come from some civvie ricebag supplier i believe.

Yeah these are mostly smuggled from different organisations which support these activities from backdoor

 

[Vishalreddy3]

Sig officially responded to carbine RFI today!! They are gonna issue MCX for the role.

 

[Tactical Doge]

Sig officially responded to carbine RFI today!! They are gonna issue MCX for the role.

With Tot?

 

[Vishalreddy3]

With Tot?

Don't know about that.

 

[Gessler]

Sig officially responded to carbine RFI today!! They are gonna issue MCX for the role.

Well they remained true to the history of not sticking to the RFI numbers down to the last decimal.

A good thing in this case though - MCX is a terrific platform.

By the way, please do post the source/link.

With Tot?

The new carbine deal includes a Make in India clause so the weapon will have to be manufactured in India by a local partner (far as I know, SIG hasn't announced who their local partner is yet). So yes it'll be made in India and whatever specialist industrial know-how is needed, in case not present with the local maker, will be provided by SIG (or by whoever ends up winning the thing).

How well the local manufacturer manages to absorb the know-how is another matter. My guess, it should be pretty high considering the infrastructure & workmanship will be developed here, it should be readily available to use for other projects.

 

[FalconSlayers]

Perhaps, also this isn't the first time.

CRPF once recovered H&K G3A3 rifles, and you can’t say that Pakistan supplied them as they are not stupid to do so. H&K and Germany is controlled by George Soros it seems.

 

[FalconSlayers]

Sig officially responded to carbine RFI today!! They are gonna issue MCX for the role.

What is there to be happy? At the end army doesn’t give a damn to which is better, it all depends who can give the cheapest, MCX is more expensive than my whole Apple Ecosystem.

 

[Gessler]

They supply to naxals that's why .

I cannot emphasize enough how absurd it is to think German Govt. is supplying these groups. That is frankly laughable. By that measure Russia must be supplying all the terrorist groups in the world considering everyone uses an AK-pattern rifle?

The HK33 family (to include the semi-auto versions) are widely license-manufactured across the world - including in Thailand & Malaysia from where arms consignments are smuggled across whole S-E Asia (and into India by such groups).

Even then, this in no way means those Govts are actively supplying - arms laws in several SE Asian states are nowhere as tight as they are in India. It's fairly easy to purchase or steal such weapons from those who have purchased. And the professionalism of the militaries of several of these states cannot be attested to either. It's not inconceivable for a local area commander to sell off a cache of weapons for money and write in their books that they were lost in a transit accident or some such.

Plus, when weapons are indeed supplied by Western govts to rebel groups (like Mujahideen in Afg in 80s) they aren't so foolish as to give them guns made in US or with 'Property of US Govt.' stamped on receiver. How they do these things is by financing the deals between the groups & suppliers of such stuff from either allied irregular units or from places like Eastern Europe ex-Soviet states.

 

[Maharaj samudragupt]

I cannot emphasize enough how absurd it is to think German Govt. is supplying these groups. That is frankly laughable. By that measure Russia must be supplying all the terrorist groups in the world considering everyone uses an AK-pattern rifle?

The HK33 family (to include the semi-auto versions) are widely license-manufactured across the world - including in Thailand & Malaysia from where arms consignments are smuggled across whole S-E Asia (and into India by such groups).

Even then, this in no way means those Govts are actively supplying - arms laws in several SE Asian states are nowhere as tight as they are in India. It's fairly easy to purchase or steal such weapons from those who have purchased. And the professionalism of the militaries of several of these states cannot be attested to either. It's not inconceivable for a local area commander to sell off a cache of weapons for money and write in their books that they were lost in a transit accident or some such.

Plus, when weapons are indeed supplied by Western govts to rebel groups (like Mujahideen in Afg in 80s) they aren't so foolish as to give them guns made in US or with 'Property of US Govt.' stamped on receiver. How they do these things is by financing the deals between the groups & suppliers of such stuff from either allied irregular units or from places like Eastern Europe ex-Soviet states.

Sirji , have you heard about lutherian church conversion activities in jharkahnd?
I have seen, largest churcehs are thiers and they mostly operate in naxal affected districts.
Other sects do convert but no one has such reach has them.
Lutherian church is a German church.
I cannot prove anything, with what I wrote above about lutherians , but still.
Various patthargarhi and other shit activities are conducted when their pastor say so.
I have always doubted these lutherians , more dangerous than Vatican.

 

[Vishalreddy3]

Well they remained true to the history of not sticking to the RFI numbers down to the last decimal.

A good thing in this case though - MCX is a terrific platform.

By the way, please do post the source/link.



The new carbine deal includes a Make in India clause so the weapon will have to be manufactured in India by a local partner (far as I know, SIG hasn't announced who their local partner is yet). So yes it'll be made in India and whatever specialist industrial know-how is needed, in case not present with the local maker, will be provided by SIG (or by whoever ends up winning the thing).

How well the local manufacturer manages to absorb the know-how is another matter. My guess, it should be pretty high considering the infrastructure & workmanship will be developed here, it should be readily available to use for other projects.

I searched for any article for it, but couldn't.. but here is a video mentioning it.

 

[Gessler]

Sirji , have you heard about lutherian church conversion activities in jharkahnd?
I have seen, largest churcehs are thiers and they mostly operate in naxal affected districts.
Other sects do convert but no one has such reach has them.
Lutherian church is a German church.
I cannot prove anything, with what I wrote above about lutherians , but still.
Various patthargarhi and other shit activities are conducted when their pastor say so.
I have always doubted these lutherians , more dangerous than Vatican.

I have specifically addressed this:

"when weapons are indeed supplied by Western govts to rebel groups (like Mujahideen in Afg in 80s) they aren't so foolish as to give them guns made in US or with 'Property of US Govt.' stamped on receiver. How they do these things is by financing the deals between the groups & suppliers of such stuff from either allied irregular units or from places like Eastern Europe ex-Soviet states."

Is it conceivable that foreign elements (whether German, Chinese, Pakistani or otherwise) are financing the armament of these groups? Absolutely - in fact its pretty difficult to imagine these groups arming up as well as they are without some foreign hand in it - whether that's Intelligence-driven activities or result of ineptitude in neighbouring countries law & order situation (smuggling) is another matter.

But to suspect a German govt hand because the weapon used is a German design? That is absurd. Merely pointing that out.

 

[Fire and groove]

These bastrads were not supplying us with weapons ?
They supply to naxals that's why .

Unlikely. The HK-93 for starters is out of production and decades old. This is probably a Pakistani variant.