Skirmishs at LOC, LAC & International Border

[Screambowl]

if religion is the key then the stone pelting would not have come down as ISI is badly in need of support for the remaining asshole porky pigs in Kashmir.

Stone palters are way better than having some one of similar ideology in army or bureaucracy that will be the real threat.

 

[Butter Chicken]

In 1965 after loosing war Pakis were spending 53% of their GDP on the military still they did not collapse unless until they started hurting the Bengalis.
Unless until Pakistan start spending 70-80% of GDP on military nothing is happening.

Back then Pakistan was much bigger and also received lot of military aid from USA for free(then policy of US to increase influence across the glove).IMF and World Bank keep providing loans to Pakistan ever after default which will end next year

 

[lcafanboy]

they are feeling it on the western border as well. the biggest mistake they made is fencing the Durand Line. if the Pashtuns needed a bigger reason to unite against the Pakjabis, this is it. balochistan is slowly turning into a lost cause as the sarmachars are giving them sleepless nights. papa china is fuming that pakis haven't been able to control balochi freedom fighters, who keep banging them every single day. i wouldn't be surprised if papa china deploys troops in that region in the future. this is why they need a war, to make themselves feel better about their loser army

And do you think if China deploys Army in Baluchistan US will be a spectator?

If China does step in and Porkies allow them then expect a major escalation. One which will balkanize Pakistan forever and China sent back to its shit hole.

 

[sorcerer]

At least 160 militants killed this year, Kashmir needs political initiative: DGP

At least 160 militants have been killed in J&K Police’s latest security campaign this year but Kashmir needs a “political initiative” and the central government should take steps to prevent “jobless” youth from being “influenced by a lot of unwanted and dangerous stuff”, State DGP Shesh Paul Vaid told The Indian Express in an exclusive interview.

”There is no doubt that there is a need for a political initiative. Whether there is one going to be taken soon, I am ignorant about it. But I think some progress is happening. Political initiative is the need of the hour,” said Vaid.

According to J&K’s top police officer, “there is a problem in the political narrative in Kashmir”.

“Mainstream parties do not talk about India, tell people how it benefits them to be a part of India. Look at what a senior leader has been saying — stone-pelters are freedom fighters. He has been a chief minister… The mainstream political leaders need to speak in favour of India here and that will help change the narrative on the ground. I don’t know why they hesitate,” said Vaid. He was apparently referring to a reported remark by NC president Farooq Abdullah.

Following the massive unrest that followed the killing of militant leader Burhan Wani in an encounter last year, Vaid said his worry now is to prevent another “trigger” that will spark strife on the streets again.

”My worry is that there shouldn’t be a trigger like the one last year. We are constantly preventing a trigger that is planned from across. But we must also be aware and prevent sudden triggers created by controversies surrounding issues like Article 35 A. We can’t do much in such cases,’’ he said.

Identifying social media as a major challenge for police, Vaid said, “We are under attack in cyberspace in a major way and it can’t be blocked. We need to create a counter narrative — cyber jihad is a reality. We know that Jamaat-ud-Dawa has recruited thousands of men across Pakistan, telling them that you don’t need to go and fight in Kashmir, you can do that sitting inside your home — they call them cyber mujahids. This is the kind of attack we are facing from our neighbouring country. We need to do something about it.”

According to Vaid, radicalisation has taken root in Kashmir. “When I came to Kashmir in 1990, it wasn’t like this at all. Radicalisation has taken place. But it isn’t what ISIS or Al-Qaida propagates,’’ he said.

Speaking of measures to prevent the spread of militancy in the Valley, Vaid said the Centre should take steps focused on youth in Kashmir. “The youth are jobless. He will offer namaaz and then his mobile is his madrassa. He spends a lot of time on social media where he gets influenced by a lot of unwanted and dangerous stuff. We need to have schemes and programmes to engage youth… to earn livelihoods. We need to focus on youth who are 10th-pass, 12th-pass. We need to engage them in work where they can earn — for example, TV repair, motor repair, plumbing courses, etc. I mean, provide them courses where they will learn a skill so that they can earn. The tourism industry can also come as a huge help. Idle youth is a potential bomb,” he said.

On the challenge posed by militancy, Vaid said that “south (Kashmir) remains the priority”. ”We have already killed 160 militants till now this year, most of them in the south. Remember what the situation was last year. Things have changed considerably there. In the south, Shopian (district) especially remains a concern. Tral is a concern, too,’’ he said.

”Though there aren’t exact figures of active militants available, there are around 70-80 in north, 90-odd in the south and 10-15 in central Kashmir. The total is less than 200 today,” Vaid said.

The DGP said that “as far as HM (Hizbul Mujahideen) and LeT (Lashkar-e-Toiba) are concerned, a majority of their commanders have been neutralised. There are only six-seven commanders who are left. This has led to a lot of improvement in the situation and helped in halting the recruitment,’’ he said.

However, Vaid described the rise of Jaish-e-Mohammad as “a new phenomenon”. “Three-four fresh groups of Jaish have been pushed. These groups are active in the Tral area, north Kashmir and the Pulwama-Anantnag area. We have had some successes, like we killed Khalid recently. He was a top commander of Jaish who was active for a long time. In Hajin, we killed two (militants) recently. One of them was local, who was extremely important. I have information that Mehmood, who is a Pakistani, was also injured in that operation. That is a big blow to them (militants),” he said.

Among those killed this year was the prime suspect in the Amarnath Yatra attack, Abu Ismail, a Pakistani militant who had replaced Abu Dujana as LeT’s Kashmir chief. According to security forces, Ismail was killed during a raid on the outskirts of Srinagar city last month, but there has been intense speculation in the Valley that he was poisoned to death. “It is a false rumour. He wasn’t killed by poisoning but killed in an encounter,’’ said Vaid.

Referring to Zakir Musa, who is leading a breakaway faction of militants, Vaid said he “follows ISIS/Al-Qaida ideology which is dangerous”. “Musa isn’t close to us or working with us at all. As far as I know, I don’t think he is close to any of our agencies. If he comes in front of us, we won’t spare him. For us, anybody who holds a gun and opens fire at us is a terrorist,” he said.

Referring to the recent investigations by the National Investigation Agency (NIA) against several Hurriyat leaders allegedly linked to funds for militancy, DGP Vaid said that “it is wrong to say the case registered by the NIA and subsequent raids on Hurriyat alone have helped improve the situation”.

”This is a wrong perception. Of course, the NIA (case) has been a complementary factor. But if we had not exerted consistent pressure, killed so many terrorists, this wouldn’t be possible. If we had not improved the situation, NIA raids wouldn’t have happened. Do you think they would have been able to go and conduct raids and searches here (in Kashmir) last year?” he said.

Insisting that J&K Police is competent to investigate any case, Vaid said, “We tell NIA that you have a mandate to deal with scheduled offences and you are investigating terror funding, please stay focused on that and please don’t try to spread out. We (J&K Police) are dealing with the situation efficiently and effectively.”

Vaid also defended the use of pellet guns while tackling protesters but said that J&K Police have reduced their use substantially. “Since I took charge earlier this year, it is now used only in places where we think people will get killed while controlling the situation. Short of killing, it is not a bad idea. It (pellets) is better than killing — at least the person lives when hit by pellets,” he said.

Vaid said that J&K Police are currently “focused on controlling the situation and pressure on militants and separatists will continue during the winter as well”.

”Infiltration can only take place till the snow falls and if Army is able to check it (infiltration) to a bare minimum and we continue to build pressure inside, the overall situation will improve,’’ he said.

http://indianexpress.com/article/in...shmir-needs-political-initiative-dgp-4898351/

 

[indus]

And do you think if China deploys Army in Baluchistan US will be a spectator?

If China does step in and Porkies allow them then expect a major escalation. One which will balkanize Pakistan forever and China sent back to its shit hole.

Agree. The whore can sleep with one man at a time. Not two of them together. US will never allow Chinese soldiers in Pak. But IMO that time will come only when cpec is ready and Pak is unable to secure it. Then only the need will arise. As of now only kkr highway is in ready condition for which I dont think Chinese army is required. That begets another question. Will India be a mute spectator during the time cpec materialises. Or will act before China fully colonises Pak.

 

[Screambowl]

Back then Pakistan was much bigger and also received lot of military aid from USA for free(then policy of US to increase influence across the glove).IMF and World Bank keep providing loans to Pakistan ever after default which will end next year

See Neither Pak is economically dependent on India nor it ever will be, that you can collapse them by closing industries. You need to understand that Pakistan is a military state and military there is supported by their citizens. Country or nation collapses when there is resentment. In Balochistan there is no population left to cry. And whatever is left is residue.

What Pak has done to be out of influence sphere of India? They have asked China the economic rival of India to invest in Pakistan that too in Balochistan. It's a master stroke. No matter how's the project going but now they are economically out of the reach of Indian influence through US.

They now receive funds from China and will have again from US no matter what. See its not like warm knife on butter. Pakistan is a country of 200 Million too, they have huge mines of copper. Lets not even think for a once that Pak will be easy and collapse. I have been hearing this past 13 years now.

You have to see how the chess is being played and then act accordingly.

 

[Prashant Sharma]

Another gem from Tillerson: "Pakistan has two very troubled borders . And we’d like to help them take the tension down on both of those..."

 

[NeXoft007]

What Pakistan Army is currently looking at is damaging the advance border fencing technolgies installed by Indian Army & BSF at LoC, to facilate infiltration of terrorists.

 

[lcafanboy]

Trump resumes and intensify drone strikes on Pakistan


https://m.timesofindia.com/world/us...after-hostage-rescue/articleshow/61156551.cms

 

[Screambowl]

Trump resumes and intensify drone strikes on Pakistan


https://m.timesofindia.com/world/us...after-hostage-rescue/articleshow/61156551.cms

Pakis might have kept them to negotiate with US and blackmail them. This is the reason many time Trump told in his speech that American policy makers and negotiators are sh*t.

he had made a very valid point which he is rectifying and refining. They negotiated the release and now hitting them.

 

[indiatester]

http://www.thehindu.com/opinion/op-ed/a-separate-peace/article19883900.ece

Comment
A separate peace
Karan Thapar

October 20, 2017 00:15 IST
Updated: October 20, 2017 01:01 IST

Is thwarting India’s rise now the greater reward for the Pakistan Army?
Ashley Tellis’s 91-page essay ‘Are India-Pakistan Peace Talks Worth a Damn?’ is compelling reading even if Mani Shankar Aiyar and the Wagah candle-walas disagree with its arguments and conclusion. It also sheds interesting light on the U.S. stand on the India-Pakistan problem. Mr. Tellis, a senior fellow at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace, suggests U.S. President Donald Trump is unlikely to help India and, even if he tries, it could actually make matters worse.

‘Misguided’ advice
Mr. Tellis’s central point is that “the international community’s routine call for continuous India-Pakistan dialogue is not only misguided but also counterproductive”. This is a direct rebuttal of Mr. Aiyar’s eloquently phrased plea that the dialogue should be “uninterrupted and uninterruptable”.

Mr. Tellis comes to this conclusion because what he calls “the security competition” between India and Pakistan is not “driven by discrete negotiable differences”. Not only is the dispute over Kashmir “rooted in long-standing ideological… antagonisms” but Pakistan also seeks to “exact revenge for past Indian military victories” and “to subvert India’s ascendency as a great power.” As he puts it: “Recovering the claimed territory is no longer the only prize; thwarting India’s rise is now the greater reward.”

Underlying this Pakistan attitude to India and, therefore, reaffirming and strengthening it is how the country’s army views its interests. “Even if satisfactory solutions could be devised,” Mr. Tellis argues, the Pakistan army will not accept them “if the end result dethrones the military from its privileged power in and over the state.” He believes “perpetual conflict with India, which does not provoke either cataclysmic war or categorical defeat… preserves the internal hegemony of the Pakistan Army.” It won’t want to give this up.

As he puts it: “The depressing upshot… is that persistent engagement… fails to alter the fundamental impediment that has prevented a resolution… namely, the inability of the Pakistani Army to accept that it cannot… surrender on a range of disputed issues.” This leads “to one ineluctable conclusion: the antagonism between India and Pakistan… does not lend itself to easy resolution even through a sustained conversation between the two sides.”

The only two countries that could persuade Pakistan to change its attitude to India are China and the U.S. However, given China’s geopolitical rivalry with India, Mr. Tellis says “it is highly unlikely that Beijing will ever press Rawalpindi to terminate its terrorism against New Delhi.”

In America’s case, Washington’s dependence on Pakistan makes it unlikely that it will apply real pressure. During the Bush and Obama years, “as long as Rawalpindi assisted Washington in ferreting out important al-Qaeda operatives in Pakistan, the United States… was content to accept the vague Pakistani promises of suppressing anti-Indian terrorist groups.” Now, after Mr. Trump’s Afghan strategy, “U.S. dependence on Pakistan for its ground and air lines of communication to Afghanistan… [gives] Rawalpindi enormous leverage over the United States.” Again, Mr. Tellis’s conclusion is crystal clear: “The chokehold that Pakistan enjoys on the United States, thanks entirely to geography, has thus neutralized Washington’s superior coercive capacity.”

However, Mr. Tellis’s argument goes one step further. He also believes that “persistent U.S. exhortations for India-Pakistan negotiations actually undermine Washington’s objective of securing peace on the subcontinent.” This is because “any kind of U.S. intervention in the India-Pakistan dispute… prevents Pakistan from negotiating on the basis of its innate power,” and instead, “holds out the false hope that the strength of the United States could be co-opted into procuring outcomes that otherwise lie beyond reach.” Again, his conclusion is blunt: “The best course of action for the United States, therefore, is to stay out of the India-Pakistan contention altogether, leaving it up to both states to reach any agreements they can based on their relative power.”

The sequence
So where does all of this leave the prospects of an India-Pakistan peace deal? Mr. Tellis’s answer is bleak though rooted in realism: “A lasting cordiality between India and Pakistan ultimately hinges on the Pakistan Army reconciling itself to India’s strategic superiority within South Asia.” At the moment — and for the foreseeable future — that seems not just unlikely but, arguably, impossible. Yet if “an authentic rapprochement… will have to precede the efforts at conflict resolution,” as Mr. Tellis firmly believes, then not only is a resolution of the Kashmir problem not foreseeable but, more critically, India-Pakistan relations are not going to change, leave aside improve, any time soon.

India’s only choice is to grit its teeth and keep its guard up till something alters but that’s unlikely to be soon. If this is the view of the Narendra Modi government — after initial attempts to win Pakistan over — I guess Mr. Tellis would say it’s right because it reflects reality.

Karan Thapar is a broadcast journalist

 

[Kalki_2018]

What Pakistan Army is currently looking at is damaging the advance border fencing technolgies installed by Indian Army & BSF at LoC, to facilate infiltration of terrorists.

Exactly. That is why IA and BSF must be pro-active and destroy everything within 3-5 km of LOC and border with pakistan. Use remote controlled weapon stations, UGV's and mines if necessary.

 

[mayfair]

Unless until Pakistan start spending 70-80% of GDP on military nothing is happening.

Even then nothing will happen. World Bank and IMF will always step in to save their arse. Napakis know it.

 

[Mikesingh]

In 1965 after loosing war Pakis were spending 53% of their GDP on the military still they did not collapse unless until they started hurting the Bengalis.
Unless until Pakistan start spending 70-80% of GDP on military nothing is happening.

Do remember, the United States had obligated nearly $78.3 billion to Pakistan between 1948 and 2016 (adjusted to 2016 value of dollar). That dosh which included economic and military aid, had kept the Pakis afloat till today. But the doles have now dried up resulting in their economy reaching alarming levels. They were used to living on charity from Western nations as well as the Middle East so much so that they have become beggars. They have not learned to stand on their own feet.

In a nutshell, Pak is well on its way to a massive implosion sooner than later.

 

[mayfair]

^^ They are banking on the fact that since they have nukes they can perpetually blackmail the West to keep the money flowing or else the nukes "may fall into the hands of the non-state actors who wish to perpetuate war and terrorism against the Western civilisation and their interests"

This line of thinking was always there but now is being increasingly articulated in the sham "talk shows" that are really ISPR broadcasts..

 

[Screambowl]

They have not learned to stand on their own feet.

In a nutshell, Pak is well on its way to a massive implosion sooner than later.

I beg to differ , It's not going to work like this.
And coming to LC skirmish it will be happening day today now without any gains or loss except for life.

 

[patriots]

ceasefire violation reported by india today one civilian injured .....

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[Bornubus]

ceasefire violation reported by india today one civilian injured .....

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Another porter killed today


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[indiatester]

Another porter killed today


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Make OGW's and the political solution wala's work as porters.

 

[patriots]

Another porter killed today


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pakis..are targeting our civilian s and support staff s as they can't face bsf and army