Skirmishs at LOC, LAC & International Border

[Mikesingh]

Can the army even take one inch of land from Pak? They can fire artillery, kill pak soldiers and terrorists, but can they even take an inch of pak land?

Take an inch of Pak land and do what? Have a picnic out there?

 

[indiatester]

Take an inch of Pak land and do what? Have a picnic out there?

[SARCASM]
No no...just push them till they make it a full blown war OR use nukes and then we can have randi-rona of idiots going around "I told you so"
[/SARCASM]
Folks should understand that we are trying to set a new normal at the border that is in our favour. Till now, pakis used hold that edge without us escalating it.
We should relabel it as targeting the terrorist infrastructure and infiltration routes rather than skirmishes between forces. That will leave the opening for further cross border operations under the same name.

 

[indus]

The understanding of some posters is like:
Modi should take back PoK within 5 yrs of his Govt else Modi is a coward.

 

[indus]

The understanding of some posters is like:
Modi should take back PoK within 5 yrs of his Govt else Modi is a coward.

 

[sonam_m1]

Well its a Broad topic which would include a lot of talking on Military matter, so lets begin.
1. First of all lets select an area of conflict with the hans, Lets say Arunachal Pradesh now battle with the chinese will be a battle of passes whoever occupies the passes first will have the advantage.
2. The heights where the battle will be fought will be any around 15000ft and above. At such heights any force with aim of offemssive will be tested to its limit cz of the terrain involve, manpower ratio at such terrain is 1:9/12, road space management, limited capability of eqpt to b moved at sich height.
3. The first phase of any successful attack will take a minimum of 8-9 days of slow activity speed of which CANNOT be increased under any circumstances.
4. Take into consideration the swinging of Other countries who too want to settle score and the amount of mobilisation which will yake place on their end.
5. India has never had colonial ambitions, we have never had intenstions of capturing anyones land minus pojk which belongs to us.

Thanks
So in such a skirmish, what would be Indian army's policy. Whether to grab the land simultaneously while defending it or only purpose is to defend. Chinese policy is clear that they will fight to take the land. Whatever you have mentioned and other members have also brought in notice that India has deployed 9 Mountain strike divisions, so does it make it correct when one says, India will intrude into chinese territory also somewhere else, if China plays foul? Or would India has deployed this strike corps to defend?

Also the man power ratio is it 1 chinese to 9 indian soldiers when on defensive role? Is it the same what Chinese presume?

@AMCA @indus @binayak95

On the Pakistani side I see difference in opinions. Some say grab the land some say, keep it how it is. Even the veterans have difference in opinions in India.

 

[sonam_m1]

Well its a Broad topic which would include a lot of talking on Military matter, so lets begin.
1. First of all lets select an area of conflict with the hans, Lets say Arunachal Pradesh now battle with the chinese will be a battle of passes whoever occupies the passes first will have the advantage.
2. The heights where the battle will be fought will be any around 15000ft and above. At such heights any force with aim of offemssive will be tested to its limit cz of the terrain involve, manpower ratio at such terrain is 1:9/12, road space management, limited capability of eqpt to b moved at sich height.
3. The first phase of any successful attack will take a minimum of 8-9 days of slow activity speed of which CANNOT be increased under any circumstances.
4. Take into consideration the swinging of Other countries who too want to settle score and the amount of mobilisation which will yake place on their end.
5. India has never had colonial ambitions, we have never had intenstions of capturing anyones land minus pojk which belongs to us.

Thanks
So in such a skirmish, what would be Indian army's policy. Whether to grab the land simultaneously while defending it or only purpose is to defend. Chinese policy is clear that they will fight to take the land. Whatever you have mentioned and other members have also brought in notice that India has deployed 9 Mountain strike divisions, so does it make it correct when one says, India will intrude into chinese territory also somewhere else, if China plays foul? Or would India has deployed this strike corps to defend?

Also the man power ratio is it 1 chinese to 9 indian soldiers when on defensive role? Is it the same what Chinese presume?

@AMCA @indus @binayak95

On the Pakistani side I see difference in opinions. Some say grab the land some say, keep it how it is. Even the veterans have disputed opinions in India.

Take an inch of Pak land and do what? Have a picnic out there?

Yes, most of the Indians do not know that Pakistani occupied Kashmir is really rich in beauty. Specially Neelam and Leepa. Almost a bit larger than the size of Switzerland and way more fertile. If India considers taking an inch of this land it will add to economy.

 

[LETHALFORCE]

Can the army even take one inch of land from Pak? They can fire artillery, kill pak soldiers and terrorists, but can they even take an inch of pak land?

You are confusing political decisions with military conquest. 4 wars have proven that the army can take land. Politicians (foolishly) gave land back . Today army
Can probably take all of Pakistan if they had too but what good is it if idiotic politicians give it back?

 

[Jyotiprakash Nabajiban]

#Flash

TERROR attack on SHOPIAN ARMY CAMP , 1 TERRORIST GUNNED DOWN; Encounter underway

A militant was killed in an encounter at Pahnoo area of Shopian district in south Kashmir on Sunday evening.

Army’s Srinagar based defence ministry spokesman Col Rajesh Kalia told news agency GNS that militants attacked Mobile Vehicle Check Post (MVCP) of army’s 44 RR at Pahnoo village at around 20:00 hours.

The fire was retaliated triggering off a gunfight, the spokesman said.

He said that in the exchange of gunfire a militant was killed and his body along with an AK-rifle was recovered.

The spokesman said that the identity of the militant is being ascertained.

The operation in the area is still going on, Kalia saidhttps://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1863983370560405&id=1522309721394440

 

[Jyotiprakash Nabajiban]

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1863989430559799&id=1522309721394440

Exclusively pic of Pakistani terrorist shot down by Indian army just now near shopian army camp

 

[Icarus]

You are confusing political decisions with military conquest. 4 wars have proven that the army can take land. Politicians (foolishly) gave land back . Today army
Can probably take all of Pakistan if they had too but what good is it if idiotic politicians give it back?

You think Modi will say no if the army is capable of taking back PoK? Come on, get realistic.

 

[LETHALFORCE]

You think Modi will say no if the army is capable of taking back PoK? Come on, get realistic.

So you are saying India is.not capable?


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[Icarus]

So you are saying India is.not capable?


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It may be the previous govt.'s (congress) fault that army doesn't have the necessary equipment, or it may be that the army is all hype and no show (and add to that a lot of corruption in the army, especially air force). Whatever the reason, it's not capable at this point, or else a strong-willed leader like Modi would have taken back PoK by now.

 

[indus]

You think Modi will say no if the army is capable of taking back PoK? Come on, get realistic.

Why dont you make a comparison of Pak millitary and Indian army assets in the LoC theatre to find out who is strong. It wl benefit all the readers, rather than asking one liners.

It may be the previous govt.'s (congress) fault that army doesn't have the necessary equipment, or it may be that the army is all hype and no show (and add to that a lot of corruption in the army, especially air force). Whatever the reason, it's not capable at this point, or else a strong-willed leader like Modi would have taken back PoK by now.

Before reaching such conclusion plz care to answer few questions.
Why do you want to take back PoK? Terrorism can end without it also. Or for the sake of correcting history, since PoK was also supposed to be acceded to Indian union in 1947???
What has Pak done in last 4 years that warrant a full fledged offensive to capture PoK. Nobody goes to war without proper strategic objectives. So for getting intelligent answers plz ask intelligent questions.

 

[LETHALFORCE]

It may be the previous govt.'s (congress) fault that army doesn't have the necessary equipment, or it may be that the army is all hype and no show (and add to that a lot of corruption in the army, especially air force). Whatever the reason, it's not capable at this point, or else a strong-willed leader like Modi would have taken back PoK by now.

India has a long history of losing territory there has not been any time where India gained territory.


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[James-bond]

Always in-favor of WAR but only Idiots can dream of take back land which home to 4mn+ terrorists(PoK). Just defeat them and divide pork into 3or 4 parts.(Balochistan ,Sindh,Pakthunva and Punjab).

We have more than enough ghettos and terrorists in India already, first get rid-off them before capturing land with terrorists.

 

[Jyotiprakash Nabajiban]

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1864029663889109&id=1522309721394440

The terrorist who got killed today for attacking 44RR mobile patrol post in Shopian is Pakistani Lasker e Taiyaba's latest formed Naveed's gang

Trained in POK by SAYEED SALAHUDDIN and HAFIZ SAEED GROUP

 

[Jyotiprakash Nabajiban]

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1864068667218542&id=1522309721394440




Beside Lasker pig Shahid Dar , 3 OVERGROUND WORKERS OF TERRORISTS were also shot dead when they tried to attack Indian army soldiers mobile patrol post of 44RR in close quarters

TOTAL 4 terrorists shot dead

They are identified as

1.Suhail Khalil wagay R/O Pinjoora
2.Mohd Shahid Khan R/O Malikgund
3.Shahnawaz Ahmad wagay R/O
Trenz.

Meanwhile separitist Joint Hurriyat Leadership for strike tomorrow (Monday) in #Kashmir against the #Shopian killings.

 

[COLDHEARTED AVIATOR]

You think Modi will say no if the army is capable of taking back PoK? Come on, get realistic.

Arent you a Pakistani from PDF?

Not that i have a problem but just confirming since most of your stance on things would make sense to me.

 

[indiazain]

It may be the previous govt.'s (congress) fault that army doesn't have the necessary equipment, or it may be that the army is all hype and no show (and add to that a lot of corruption in the army, especially air force). Whatever the reason, it's not capable at this point, or else a strong-willed leader like Modi would have taken back PoK by now.

Modi has a near impossible task of cleaning the system.
The political system per say is cleansed when drive out the Italian powered Congress aka left and so on.
You can never stop corruption it is a part of life unfortunately and is present in almost all countries so just live with it.However when it comes to our armed forces the bureaucratic system is so tightly integrated that it is just unimaginable for anyone (including Modi) to overhaul.All that will happen is that you will tie yourself in more and more red tape. Of course if congress has contributed anything more than corruption it is this bureaucratic system.
For instance Chidrambaram and raghuram rajan institutionalized a system of corrupt practices but ensured that is fairly difficult to point fingers at them.It is unfair to expect Modi to overhaul such a complex system overnight.
If Modi touches the system it will have a ripple effect like in the case of both GST and demonetization.
Obviously he cannot explain this to an ordinary citizen.The 2G scam for instance is so complex that a vast majority of people dont get it since it is comes down to a lot of technicalities now imagine a what will happen when we talk about a defense system.The shameless congress already started making noises on the Rafael.

 

[mayfair]

Dost Dost Na Raha

https://www.dawn.com/news/1393081

Cheen is telling Napakis- Aaka to aaka hota hai. Aukaat mein raho.