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And @hammer head bhai add 46 FF (Frontier force) Regt into the ORBAT which at present confirmed is 30 Baloch, 647/645 Mujahid Force regt and few Arty unit, in case you guys not aware already.
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That makes it second casualty on 29th Aug - the other being Bahram Khan 19 FF
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Anybody ID those medals?
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Seems from Pak army as arabi/urdu is inscribe on it.
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Yeah, wondering whether we got a zarb-e-azb decorated veteran.
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This guy was a JCO, I'm guessing.
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1) Tamgha-i-Khidmat
Tamgha-i-Khidmat or Tamgha-e-Khidmat (Urdu: تمغۂ خدمت, literally "medal of services") is the 5th highest honour given by the Government of Pakistan to both the military and Civil Armed Forces.[1] It is admissible to junior commissioned officers, non-commissioned officers and other ranks for long meritorious or distinguished services of a non-operational nature.
2) Tamgha-e-Istaqlal - Escalation versus India Medal, 2002 (Tamgha-e-Istaqlal, A.H.1422)
3) TAMGHA-I-BAQA (Nuclear test medal 1998)
This guy was a JCO, I'm guessing.
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1) Tamgha-i-Khidmat
Tamgha-i-Khidmat or Tamgha-e-Khidmat (Urdu: تمغۂ خدمت, literally "medal of services") is the 5th highest honour given by the Government of Pakistan to both the military and Civil Armed Forces.[1] It is admissible to junior commissioned officers, non-commissioned officers and other ranks for long meritorious or distinguished services of a non-operational nature.
2) Tamgha-e-Istaqlal - Escalation versus India Medal, 2002 (Tamgha-e-Istaqlal, A.H.1422)
3) TAMGHA-I-BAQA (Nuclear test medal 1998)
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Interesting bhai Ji. No wonder why Pakis consider Op Parakram (2001 - 2002 standoff) as their victory.
A civilian was injured as the armies of India and Pakistan on Saturday exchanged heavy fire and shelling along the Line of Control (LoC) in Poonch district of Jammu and Kashmir.
An official said that heavy shelling is going on in Mankote, Balnoi, Gulpur and Shahpur sectors of the district.
Some shells, he said, have landed in residential areas.
A civilian, identified as Mohammad Younis of Bechari Balnoi of Mendhar tehsil, was injured after a shell exploded near him.
2,000 SSB staffers to go to Intelligence Bureau; govt approves border snoop plan
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/2000-ssb-staffers-to-go-to-intelligence-bureau-govt-approves-border-snoop-plan/articleshow/60409192.cms
More teeth to intelligence. Long overdue, but would be fruitful soon enough.
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/2000-ssb-staffers-to-go-to-intelligence-bureau-govt-approves-border-snoop-plan/articleshow/60409192.cms
More teeth to intelligence. Long overdue, but would be fruitful soon enough.
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2 AM meeting led to new dawn in Sino-Indian ties
NEW DELHI: Late in the evening on August 27, Indian ambassador to China Vijay Gokhale was told the Chinese were keen to know how soon they could meet him.
Gokhale conveyed that he was in Hong Kong and could reach only past midnight even if he booked himself on the first Beijing-bound flight. He was urged to reach the Chinese capital as fast as he could, in a first clear indication that the quiet and dogged attempt to defuse the Doklam imbroglio may have borne fruit.
It was 2 in the morning when he sat down with Chinese foreign ministry officials to discuss details of the Doklam disengagement.
It took the two sides three hours to hammer out a mutually acceptable resolution and, potentially, lay the foundation for a new beginning between the giant neighbours.
For, the announcement by the two governments the next day not only defused the stand-off — the worst in decades — on the Himalayan plateau, but appeared to indicate a greater understanding between the two sides to put bilateral ties on a stronger footing where they avoid conflicts and focus on development.
Senior government sources said the de-escalation was facilitated by a larger agreement between the two principals — PM Modi and Chinese President Xi Jinping — that the two sides approach and pursue their ties as a mutually beneficial opportunity; a vehicle to speed up development.
"Both leaders agreed the two sides have a lot to gain from a partnership which helps them grow faster, and that approaching the bilateral equations as a zero-sum game, where one's gains are invariably at the cost of the other, will be a folly. This is what helped the two sides to achieve the breakthrough and formed the basis for positive talks on the sidelines of the BRICS summit," a key government functionary, familiar with the details, said.
On Thursday, China's foreign minister Wang Yi articulated pretty much the same when he told reporters in Beijing that Xi and Modi, during their "successful" talks on the sidelines of the BRICS summit, had agreed to avoid border confrontation to ensure healthy and stable development.
In his first remarks after the agreement on Doklam, Yi said, "Sino-Indian relations are not derailed. Sino-Indian development represents the future of the world... win-win cooperation is an inevitable choice and the correct direction for Sino-Indian ties."
The convergence of views indeed appears remarkable considering that matters threatened to spiral out of control during the 73-day eyeball-to-eyeball stand-off and was achieved by the PM's belief that the two sides had nothing to gain from escalation.
Modi, while firm that he wouldn't allow borders to be redrawn by force, was keen not to let the dispute snowball into a full-scale confrontation. He went about the objective by enforcing message control and by designating the foreign ministry as the only agency authorised to speak.
The discipline sought to be enforced applied to BJP. The party as well as some Sangh Parivar-affiliated outfits were conspicuous by their silence during the stalemate, something remarkable given their prickly sensitivities and the torrent of provocative statements from China's official media.
The PM did not waver even amid signs of discomfort in BJP circles and taunts from rivals and commentators for "pusillanimity".
"Someone who didn't allow slights like visa denials to seek better diplomatic ties with the US, the UK and the European Union would not have allowed himself to be distracted by jeers," said a senior officer.
Modi also did not let Doklam affect normal business with China. At least half a dozen ministers visited Beijing during the showdown, and with the clear instruction to focus on the possibilities of cooperation. The tenacity worked, resulting in what top-level sources called "extremely positive response" from Xi when the two leaders met in Xiamen.
BJP has refrained from publicly celebrating the resolution of the crisis, but party members and officials, speaking privately, are all praise for the PM.
"Who would have thought that a man who comes across as aggressive and whose eligibility was questioned because of his chaiwala background would use strategic restraint to achieve results," a member of the Cabinet Committee on Security said, speaking on the condition of anonymity.
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...r&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Top_Headlines
As Gobar Times and its sister Communist Party publications went berserk over Doklam, quiet behind-the-scenes diplomacy was underway in Beijing to diffuse the situation. In today's world, it's diplomacy that carries the day. Both countries especially India need to be congratulated for the maturity shown in handling the crises in spite of the verbosity and vicious propaganda emanating from the Chinese side.
NEW DELHI: Late in the evening on August 27, Indian ambassador to China Vijay Gokhale was told the Chinese were keen to know how soon they could meet him.
Gokhale conveyed that he was in Hong Kong and could reach only past midnight even if he booked himself on the first Beijing-bound flight. He was urged to reach the Chinese capital as fast as he could, in a first clear indication that the quiet and dogged attempt to defuse the Doklam imbroglio may have borne fruit.
It was 2 in the morning when he sat down with Chinese foreign ministry officials to discuss details of the Doklam disengagement.
It took the two sides three hours to hammer out a mutually acceptable resolution and, potentially, lay the foundation for a new beginning between the giant neighbours.
For, the announcement by the two governments the next day not only defused the stand-off — the worst in decades — on the Himalayan plateau, but appeared to indicate a greater understanding between the two sides to put bilateral ties on a stronger footing where they avoid conflicts and focus on development.
Senior government sources said the de-escalation was facilitated by a larger agreement between the two principals — PM Modi and Chinese President Xi Jinping — that the two sides approach and pursue their ties as a mutually beneficial opportunity; a vehicle to speed up development.
"Both leaders agreed the two sides have a lot to gain from a partnership which helps them grow faster, and that approaching the bilateral equations as a zero-sum game, where one's gains are invariably at the cost of the other, will be a folly. This is what helped the two sides to achieve the breakthrough and formed the basis for positive talks on the sidelines of the BRICS summit," a key government functionary, familiar with the details, said.
On Thursday, China's foreign minister Wang Yi articulated pretty much the same when he told reporters in Beijing that Xi and Modi, during their "successful" talks on the sidelines of the BRICS summit, had agreed to avoid border confrontation to ensure healthy and stable development.
In his first remarks after the agreement on Doklam, Yi said, "Sino-Indian relations are not derailed. Sino-Indian development represents the future of the world... win-win cooperation is an inevitable choice and the correct direction for Sino-Indian ties."
The convergence of views indeed appears remarkable considering that matters threatened to spiral out of control during the 73-day eyeball-to-eyeball stand-off and was achieved by the PM's belief that the two sides had nothing to gain from escalation.
Modi, while firm that he wouldn't allow borders to be redrawn by force, was keen not to let the dispute snowball into a full-scale confrontation. He went about the objective by enforcing message control and by designating the foreign ministry as the only agency authorised to speak.
The discipline sought to be enforced applied to BJP. The party as well as some Sangh Parivar-affiliated outfits were conspicuous by their silence during the stalemate, something remarkable given their prickly sensitivities and the torrent of provocative statements from China's official media.
The PM did not waver even amid signs of discomfort in BJP circles and taunts from rivals and commentators for "pusillanimity".
"Someone who didn't allow slights like visa denials to seek better diplomatic ties with the US, the UK and the European Union would not have allowed himself to be distracted by jeers," said a senior officer.
Modi also did not let Doklam affect normal business with China. At least half a dozen ministers visited Beijing during the showdown, and with the clear instruction to focus on the possibilities of cooperation. The tenacity worked, resulting in what top-level sources called "extremely positive response" from Xi when the two leaders met in Xiamen.
BJP has refrained from publicly celebrating the resolution of the crisis, but party members and officials, speaking privately, are all praise for the PM.
"Who would have thought that a man who comes across as aggressive and whose eligibility was questioned because of his chaiwala background would use strategic restraint to achieve results," a member of the Cabinet Committee on Security said, speaking on the condition of anonymity.
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...r&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Top_Headlines
As Gobar Times and its sister Communist Party publications went berserk over Doklam, quiet behind-the-scenes diplomacy was underway in Beijing to diffuse the situation. In today's world, it's diplomacy that carries the day. Both countries especially India need to be congratulated for the maturity shown in handling the crises in spite of the verbosity and vicious propaganda emanating from the Chinese side.
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'Ready to respond to Indian misadventures,' says Rawalpindi corps commander
https://www.dawn.com/news/1356813/r...misadventures-says-rawalpindi-corps-commander
Rawalpindi Corps Commander Lt Gen Nadeem Raza in a visit to the Line of Control (LoC) on Sunday warned that the corps would "respond aggressively and effectively to any Indian miscalculation or misadventure" along the Pak-India border, according to an Inter-Services Public Relations statement.
The corps commander visited the Battal and Dawarandi sectors in Azad Jammu and Kashmir, where he "appreciated the high morale of the troops" and their "effective response" to ceasefire violations by Indian troops, read the ISPR handout.
https://www.dawn.com/news/1356813/r...misadventures-says-rawalpindi-corps-commander
Rawalpindi Corps Commander Lt Gen Nadeem Raza in a visit to the Line of Control (LoC) on Sunday warned that the corps would "respond aggressively and effectively to any Indian miscalculation or misadventure" along the Pak-India border, according to an Inter-Services Public Relations statement.
The corps commander visited the Battal and Dawarandi sectors in Azad Jammu and Kashmir, where he "appreciated the high morale of the troops" and their "effective response" to ceasefire violations by Indian troops, read the ISPR handout.
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Lol! That's the umpteenth time some ass General from the Islamic Army of Porkistan has twaddled this crap, some before the surgical strike when we went in and screwed them. So what happened next? What was their response to India's 'misadventure'?? Zilch! Instead they hid their abject embarrassment by taking reporters to a place 10km away from the actual target and said, "see? Nothing has happened! The Indians are lying"!! Jeeeeez!
We need to learn from the Pakis how to lie! They are past masters in the art of obfuscation, deceit, disinformation, and propaganda. No wonder the world has hung them out to dry!
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May not be so. We have planted mines (not IEDs) in select areas along the LoC since 1965 and at some places, minefield records are missing. At other places some mines have shifted due to rain and snow which are thus at variance to the minefield records.
Thus accidents do happen though infrequently.
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Surgical Strike: Returning to base after surgical strikes was toughest part.
Last September's surgical strikes across the LoC were precise and conducted at a frenetic pace, but the Army major who led the daredevil mission says that returning to the base in India was the most difficult part.
Bullets fired by the “enemy soldiers“ were so close that they whistled past the ears of the Indian soldiers, said the officer referred to as Major Mike Tango in a new book -“India's Most Fearless: True Stories of Modern Military Heroes“ -brought out on the first anniversary of the strikes in PoK.
The Army decided to use soldiers from the units that had suffered losses in the September 18 Uri attack (19 personnel were martyred) for the cross-border revenge mission. A Ghatak (infantry) platoon was formed and soldiers from the two units that had lost men in Uri were roped in to man border posts and provide crucial terrain intelligence and support to the mission that lay ahead. “Tactically, this was a smart move -few knew the lay of the frontier land better than they did. But there was another astute reason. Involving them in the mission would at least begin to lay the ghosts of Uri to rest,“ according to the book.
About the details of the planning, the book says, “The target list was scrutinized along a top-secret chain of command that numbered barely a handful of people, with `need to know' rules applicable throughout. The options were vetted by designated officers from the IB and the RAW, before a final recommended brief was presented to the government“.
Major Tango was entrusted with the job of leading the operation to carry out the strikes. “As team Leader, he had chosen every man himself, including the officers and men who would play a supporting role. He was also acutely aware of the fact that the lives of 19 men were, quite literally, in his hands,“ the book says.
Though the major chose the best men for the job, one thing was bothering him -the de-induction or the return. “That's where I knew I could lose guys,“ the book quotes him as recalling.“Even the actual attack was not something that flustered the commandos. It was the return, an uphill trek to the LoC that was the truly daunting part. Their backs would be facing a blaze of fire from Pakistan Army posts, belatedly roused from their slumber. And the dominant posi tion held by the posts would make the escaping warriors easy targets to spot and kill.“
A total of four terror launch pads operated by Pakistan's ISI and protected by the Pakistan army were selected. “Through a series of masked communications over mobile, Major Tango's men contacted four `assets' -two local villagers in the PoK and two Pakistani nationals operating in the area -both moles in the dreaded Jaish-e-Muhammed, men who had been turned by Indian agencies a few years before.
“All the four assets separately confirmed the target information that was placed before them. In terms of intelligence, there was nothing further for the team to do on this side of the LoC,“ the book says.
The mission was brief -the soldiers were expected to reach their targets, study the latest intelligence they could possibly access with their satellite devices and then proceed to wipe out every man they saw there, the book says.
http://epaperbeta.timesofindia.com/...-surgical-strikes-was-toughest-11092017001070
And then there are these Porks who claim that nothing of the sort happened. These morons from the ISPR led a team of journalists to places several km from the target areas to 'prove' that no surgical strikes were conducted. Lol!
Well, obfuscation, propaganda, misinformation and lies are the hallmark of the ISPR and the fundamentalist Islamic Army of the 'Land Of The Pure'. They even boasted of a 'full spectrum response' in case the Indian Army sets foot across the LoC!! ....................We're still waiting!!
Bottom line: They got screwed, and how!!
Last September's surgical strikes across the LoC were precise and conducted at a frenetic pace, but the Army major who led the daredevil mission says that returning to the base in India was the most difficult part.
Bullets fired by the “enemy soldiers“ were so close that they whistled past the ears of the Indian soldiers, said the officer referred to as Major Mike Tango in a new book -“India's Most Fearless: True Stories of Modern Military Heroes“ -brought out on the first anniversary of the strikes in PoK.
The Army decided to use soldiers from the units that had suffered losses in the September 18 Uri attack (19 personnel were martyred) for the cross-border revenge mission. A Ghatak (infantry) platoon was formed and soldiers from the two units that had lost men in Uri were roped in to man border posts and provide crucial terrain intelligence and support to the mission that lay ahead. “Tactically, this was a smart move -few knew the lay of the frontier land better than they did. But there was another astute reason. Involving them in the mission would at least begin to lay the ghosts of Uri to rest,“ according to the book.
About the details of the planning, the book says, “The target list was scrutinized along a top-secret chain of command that numbered barely a handful of people, with `need to know' rules applicable throughout. The options were vetted by designated officers from the IB and the RAW, before a final recommended brief was presented to the government“.
Major Tango was entrusted with the job of leading the operation to carry out the strikes. “As team Leader, he had chosen every man himself, including the officers and men who would play a supporting role. He was also acutely aware of the fact that the lives of 19 men were, quite literally, in his hands,“ the book says.
Though the major chose the best men for the job, one thing was bothering him -the de-induction or the return. “That's where I knew I could lose guys,“ the book quotes him as recalling.“Even the actual attack was not something that flustered the commandos. It was the return, an uphill trek to the LoC that was the truly daunting part. Their backs would be facing a blaze of fire from Pakistan Army posts, belatedly roused from their slumber. And the dominant posi tion held by the posts would make the escaping warriors easy targets to spot and kill.“
A total of four terror launch pads operated by Pakistan's ISI and protected by the Pakistan army were selected. “Through a series of masked communications over mobile, Major Tango's men contacted four `assets' -two local villagers in the PoK and two Pakistani nationals operating in the area -both moles in the dreaded Jaish-e-Muhammed, men who had been turned by Indian agencies a few years before.
“All the four assets separately confirmed the target information that was placed before them. In terms of intelligence, there was nothing further for the team to do on this side of the LoC,“ the book says.
The mission was brief -the soldiers were expected to reach their targets, study the latest intelligence they could possibly access with their satellite devices and then proceed to wipe out every man they saw there, the book says.
http://epaperbeta.timesofindia.com/...-surgical-strikes-was-toughest-11092017001070
And then there are these Porks who claim that nothing of the sort happened. These morons from the ISPR led a team of journalists to places several km from the target areas to 'prove' that no surgical strikes were conducted. Lol!
Well, obfuscation, propaganda, misinformation and lies are the hallmark of the ISPR and the fundamentalist Islamic Army of the 'Land Of The Pure'. They even boasted of a 'full spectrum response' in case the Indian Army sets foot across the LoC!! ....................We're still waiting!!
Bottom line: They got screwed, and how!!
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