Canards were removed from SU-35BM to reduce RCS. Su-35BM Frontal RCS is 1m^2, Su-30MKI is 10m^2. This increases exponentially on the vertical aspect. While Su-35BM has RAM, composites, and refinished inlets, a large part comes off the canards, up to 35%.Canards don't imply a massive increase in RCS. Else, Rafale, Gripen and EF-2000 would not have had them in the first place.
Probably so, IAF's loss.It would no be feasible. Working on the Su-35 to match IAF requirements would take a long time and also a lot of money. IAF works on a budget, they will not afford to maintain 50 odd Su-35s along with 230MKIs. It will simply be a lot cheaper to go for 50 more MKIs instead.
BM has many of the systems being incorporated into PAK FA, it would be good for doctrinal and tactics training in preparation.We are getting PAKFA anyways. So, the BM will not be a wonder.
True. But, 1m2 is not stealth. The MKI upgrades will make it stealthy, though not to the level of the BM. MKI will incorporate similar RAM coating and composites. The composites level may be more than BM too, if HAL has their way.Canards were removed from SU-35BM to reduce RCS. Su-35BM Frontal RCS is 1m^2, Su-30MKI is 10m^2. This increases exponentially on the vertical aspect. While Su-35BM has RAM, composites, and refinished inlets, a large part comes off the canards, up to 35%.
Both are excellent fighters. No airforce in the world can afford every new plane that comes out every few years.Probably so, IAF's loss.
Tactics, Doctrine and training will need to be re-written once the PAKFA comes in. The MKI can incorporate BM or PAKFA avionics too.BM has many of the systems being incorporated into PAK FA, it would be good for doctrinal and tactics training in preparation.
any new aircraft needs new tactica and operational doctrine .IAF has not yet mastered MKI . so new aircraft will obviously take timeTrue. But, 1m2 is not stealth. The MKI upgrades will make it stealthy, though not to the level of the BM. MKI will incorporate similar RAM coating and composites. The composites level may be more than BM too, if HAL has their way.
Both are excellent fighters. No airforce in the world can afford every new plane that comes out every few years.
I know the BM is better. But, the enemy has nothing good enough to counter the MKI itself, so why go for something that will be overkill just for a few years when we are only a decade away from inducting another fighter which will be far, far superior to anything flying in PAF or PLAAF.
Tactics, Doctrine and training will need to be re-written once the PAKFA comes in. The MKI can incorporate BM or PAKFA avionics too.
What?:swtf:few but advance aircraft will do not large number of aircraft but technological inferior
Quantity has its own quality.People please ont forget it...we do need adequate numbers.
few but advance aircraft will do not large number of aircraft but technological inferior
would agree particularly looking from the pov of 35bm being single seater where as our mki's are all 2 seaters. that also takes care of pilot shortage problems IAF is facing.Probably so, IAF's loss.
Vladimir,and your government better hurry it fast. Russian air force is only a shadow of its Soviet ancestor today. Infact, there have been a lot of incidents and accidents happening in VVS in the recent years and most of the aircraft have already crossed their service limits barring a few late additions. Since Russian economy has picked up once again, I think it is about time Mr. Medvedev starts taking the future of VVS seriously. MiG-29 rusting away, engines falling of Il-76s, Su-27s crashing.. this is quite alarming considering Russia's desire to project power on a parallel level of Soviet Air Force.The latest purchases are just a stopgap until PAK FA is available. We will be replacing hundreds of aerocraft with it including MiG-31 and Su-27. Total demand will be well over 400 frames. By 2020 most of our fleet will be unservicable.
When a countries economy goes as bad as Russia, it takes time to recover. They are all aware of where they stand but they need to wait. It was blessing in disguise for us, as we got an opportunity to partner them. They will soon come back.Vladimir,and your government better hurry it fast. Russian air force is only a shadow of its Soviet ancestor today. Infact, there have been a lot of incidents and accidents happening in VVS in the recent years and most of the aircraft have already crossed their service limits barring a few late additions. Since Russian economy has picked up once again, I think it is about time Mr. Medvedev starts taking the future of VVS seriously. MiG-29 rusting away, engines falling of Il-76s, Su-27s crashing.. this is quite alarming considering Russia's desire to project power on a parallel level of Soviet Air Force.
The only reason why Europe and NATO worry about Russia today is their quantity and good flying skills. Barring that, the West has moved on really fast and ahead and if Russia has to remain as the "alternative power" to United States, They will need to replace their Su-27s with the Su-35 BMs, the MiG-29s with the MiG-35s and the Foxhounds with PAKFA as soon as humanly possible.
It is a lot of expense for the Russian government but expense is better than an insecure state.
Russia has no desire to project power of the Red Army. Su-27 crash was a collision, not a fleet issue. Our frontal aviation frames are still within their service lives. The increased incidence of accidents is due mainly to the increase of average flight hours to 100 per anum. The more you fly the more likely you are to have a problem. Maintenance programmes are recieving increased funding to deal with the issues. If you look at USAF you will find they have similar problems such as grounding F-15, F-22 and C-130 fleets and continous F-16 crashes. It is a fact of life for active airforces.Vladimir,and your government better hurry it fast. Russian air force is only a shadow of its Soviet ancestor today. Infact, there have been a lot of incidents and accidents happening in VVS in the recent years and most of the aircraft have already crossed their service limits barring a few late additions. Since Russian economy has picked up once again, I think it is about time Mr. Medvedev starts taking the future of VVS seriously. MiG-29 rusting away, engines falling of Il-76s, Su-27s crashing.. this is quite alarming considering Russia's desire to project power on a parallel level of Soviet Air Force.
Europe and NATO worry about Russia because they can't do anything to stop us. While their puppet state in Georgia begged for help all they could do was sit by and watch it be dismembered. NATO is a disfunctional allegory of a past age. The only real power in it that can do anything is USA and their hands are tied for the indefinite future. The future of VVS is not acquisition of thousands of fighters, most of the VVS will be U(C)AV based.The only reason why Europe and NATO worry about Russia today is their quantity and good flying skills. Barring that, the West has moved on really fast and ahead and if Russia has to remain as the "alternative power" to United States, They will need to replace their Su-27s with the Su-35 BMs, the MiG-29s with the MiG-35s and the Foxhounds with PAKFA as soon as humanly possible.
The near term future of VVS can be seen in the production lines recently openening up. Mi-28N@Rosvertol, Su-25BM@Ulan Ude, Ka-52@Kazan, Su-34@Novosibirsk, MiG-35@Sokol, Su-35BM@KoA, Yak-130@Irkut, IL-76TD@Ulyanovsk. Just this year we have ordered over 100 new kombat aerocraft. MiG-31BM, Su-27SM, and Su-24SM modernisation programmes are going well. Strategic bombers and airlift are getting life extension and PGM upgrades. A-50M modernisation is finishing up. JSC has been reorganised, corruption being cut from top down, $20 billion in recapitalisation, and recruitment programmes for young engineers established. State defence order is fully funded and people are being prosecuted at records rates leaving the message corruption will not be tolerated. Between India, Ukraine, and France we have several joint projects like heavy lift helicopters, Medium strategic transport, An-124-100, An-70 production. For fans of the VVS, this is the best year since the fall of the CCCP.It is a lot of expense for the Russian government but expense is better than an insecure state.
Comrade,P2P,How many times do I have to tell you Strategypage is worthless? India hasn't spent a dime on Su-35 and isn't going to now with Su-30MKI extension. 117S has already gotten the contract for 98 engines. Stay away from Strategypage articles --- they are for morons
It is not mixing up of product.Comrade,P2P,
Thanks for pointing out the facts, may be they mixed up PAK FA with Su35.
Probably still under cold war hangover.
Cheers.