RFP issued for India navy amphibious vessels (LHD or LPD type)

[uoftotaku]

They can build 45000 tons aircraft carrier but not helicopter carriers ? Its time for them to design, develop, launch and deploy indigenous version of LHDs.

Different set of design parameters. Aircraft carrier doesn't have a partially flooding well deck for LCAC and LST. Also space to carry 2-3 entire marine infantry battalions + equipment and vehicles + helicopters and enough food, ammo, medical supplies and fuel

 

[republic_roi97]

Different set of design parameters. Aircraft carrier doesn't have a partially flooding well deck for LCAC and LST. Also space to carry 2-3 entire marine infantry battalions + equipment and vehicles + helicopters and enough food, ammo, medical supplies and fuel

Well there's a start for everything isn't it ?

 

[Akula]

If the government is helping Anil Ambani's Pipapav Shipyard for getting this order than forget about National Security. L&T is building and delivering boats on time whereas Reliance hasn't delivered a single boat till now.

 

[ezsasa]

If the government is helping Anil Ambani's Pipapav Shipyard for getting this order than forget about National Security. L&T is building and delivering boats on time whereas Reliance hasn't delivered a single boat till now.

C’mon navy has even encashed their security deposit on than failed OPV order.

You think If govt is backing Anil Ambani, this would happen?

 

[uoftotaku]

Well there's a start for everything isn't it ?

Yes. But if start is desirable then smaller vessels like LST or LPD design of size similar to this

Endurance-class landing platform dock https://g.co/kgs/rB8bLS

Instead of jumping into the deep end with 0 experience

 

[Knowitall]

And here i was hoping we could eventually have 6 of those kind lol.

 

[Rajaraja Chola]

C’mon navy has even encashed their security deposit on than failed OPV order.

You think If govt is backing Anil Ambani, this would happen?

How about blacklisting them for a few years for not delivering the order. And asking Dassault to forget JV with Reliance if they are asked to manufacture in India.

 

[Rajaraja Chola]

They can build 45000 tons aircraft carrier but not helicopter carriers ? Its time for them to design, develop, launch and deploy indigenous version of LHDs.

And it took 11 years to develop 1 AC and they arent even complete yet. Outside expertise was felt and rightly so LHD's will be built faster when its based on an proven design.

The main problem with Indian shipyards are they are dependent upon IN and ICG orders that they havent made any progress into commercial shipbuilding. If they had built huge bulk cargo carriers or tankers they might have an idea of what to expect in big shipping projects which for some reason they lack.

 

[ezsasa]

How about blacklisting them for a few years for not delivering the order. And asking Dassault to forget JV with Reliance if they are asked to manufacture in India.

Dassault Reliance JV is already operational and exporting, isn’t it? Dassault JV is not just about Rafale.

 

[Akula]

And it took 11 years to develop 1 AC and they arent even complete yet. Outside expertise was felt and rightly so LHD's will be built faster when its based on an proven design.

The main problem with Indian shipyards are they are dependent upon IN and ICG orders that they havent made any progress into commercial shipbuilding. If they had built huge bulk cargo carriers or tankers they might have an idea of what to expect in big shipping projects which for some reason they lack.

L&T have build floating dock for Navy, which is the biggest among the contracts they got.

 

[ezsasa]

How about blacklisting them for a few years for not delivering the order. And asking Dassault to forget JV with Reliance if they are asked to manufacture in India.

Dassault Reliance JV is already operational and exporting, isn’t it? Dassault JV is not just about Rafale.

 

[WolfPack86]

Navy mulls scrapping Rs 20k-cr tender for building four amphibious warships
The Navy has communicated to the Ministry of Defence about its plans and requested it to withdraw the Request for Proposal in the tender, they said.


Delayed by more than five years, the Indian Navy wants to scrap a more than Rs 20,000 crore tender for building four big-size amphibious warships indigenously in private shipyards.

The tender is for building four Landing Platform Docks (LPDs) for the Indian Navy which were meant for carrying both helicopters and amphibious land warfare assets such as tanks and personnel carriers.

"The specifications for the LPD was issued in 2006 and it has been almost 14 years. Now, we want to withdraw the tender and look around for the advancements in the technology for LPDs world over and then issue a fresh tender," Navy sources told ANI.

The Navy has communicated to the Ministry of Defence about its plans and requested it to withdraw the Request for Proposal in the tender, they said.

Once the Navy has identified the latest developments in technologies in the field of amphibious warships, the Navy would issue a new tender for acquiring these warships, the sources said.

As part of the tender, four warships were to be built for which two Indian firms were in the race including the Anil Ambani-led Reliance Defence and Larsen and Toubro.

Reliance had partnered with the French Naval Group and L & T was in partnership with the Spanish firm Navantia.

The tender had been hanging fire for many years now due to one controversy or the other including the financial health of the participating companies in the contract.

The commercial bids of the tender were planned to be opened earlier this year but the process was stopped at that time.


As per Navy plans, the warships were to be around 30,000 tonnes with ability to operate helicopters and ability to carry an army battalion, including tanks and armoured carriers.
https://www.business-standard.com/a...p-rs-20-000-cr-lpd-tender-119110801371_1.html

 

[WolfPack86]

Should India convert landing helicopter docks (LHDs) into mini aircraft carrier?

India requires four Landing Helicopter Docks to upgrade the Indian Navy’s disaster response, amphibious warfare, and island protection capabilities. The Indian Navy issued an RFP for the LHDs in late 2013, but no action was taken on the proposals. The requirement was reaffirmed in May 2017 and fresh bids invited but due to sole contender qualifying for the contract it was again put into backburner. Indian Navy had plans to equip these four warships with to carry six main battle tanks; 20 infantry combat vehicles; 40 heavy trucks; and more than 900 troops and be armed with air defense missiles and close-in weapon system for safety and also carry Sikorsky S-70B Seahawks helicopters to handle anti-submarine warfare (ASW), anti-surface warfare (ASUW), naval special warfare (NSW) insertion, search and rescue (SAR), combat search and rescue (CSAR), vertical replenishment (VERTREP), and medical evacuation (MEDEVAC) roles. Tightening budget and post-Chinese virus economy situation in the country will mean that chances of Indian Navy getting approvals for third aircraft carrier with a displacement of 65000 tonnes as planned is unlikely to happen but India’s second-hand INS Vikramaditya aircraft carrier which had a life span of only 25 years is unlikely to be active also for too long and will be retired by 2040 due to which we have to either plan a second INS Vikrant class aircraft carriers or opt to convert four LHDs into mini aircraft carriers. This 20000 tonne proposed LHDs are not decent enough to carry a full load of helicopters and prospective fighter jets so for it to be operated as a mini aircraft carrier it needs to be at least 9000 tonnes more in displacement then planned as seen in the Japanese Izumo-class helicopter destroyer which can carry at least dozen fighter jets like F-35B with Short Take-off and Vertical Landing (STOVL) Capabilities. Russians are also working on a successor to the YAK-141 supersonic vertical takeoff/landing (VTOL) fighter dubbed as ‘Yak-150’, which according to Russian media reports will be similar in performance to the F-35B and are designed to be operated from the new 20,000-35,000 tonne amphibious assault ships which have been planned for the Russian Navy. Instead of one large aircraft carrier operating 50 jets in the Indian ocean, converting four LHDs into mini aircraft carriers will give the Indian Navy much needed strategic depth against the Chinese Navy which has been shunning out aircraft carriers at a much faster rate which India can’t compete with. Chinese have plans to operate at least 5 aircraft carriers and also developed nuclear-powered ones soon and have plans to depute at least one aircraft carrier fleet for the Indian Ocean region which will be stationed permanently in the Indian ocean in their naval base in Gwadar or Djibouti. Indian Navy can’t defend two islands chain at the opposite side of the waters with such two aircraft carriers and will require four such LHDs to be India’s force multipliers in the region so has to not be overburden in the region by a superior navy in its own backward.

Should India convert landing helicopter docks (LHDs) into mini aircraft carrier? – Indian Defence Research Wing

idrw.org

 

[shuvo@y2k10]

Another option is to modify INS Vikrant into LHD role, similar to San Antonio class (Spain) and Type 75 (China). This would allow us to use modified Tejas MK2 (STOVL version). The modified vessel could carry 10-12 such fighters/18-20 helicopters, in addition to 1000+ troops and 50+ tanks. In short, it can fit complete amphibious expeditionary unit. CSL has already said that after handing over INS Vikrant to the Navy, it can build 2-3 more such vessels, in shorter period of time.

 

[sthf]

Should India convert (its non-existing) landing helicopter docks (LHDs) into mini aircraft carrier?

Sure why not? But only if they can dive to below 1000 feet with its full (imaginary) air compliment and upon reaching the shore could go inland at least 500 km.

Gotta love IDRW. Saste nashe karne se aisa hi hota hai.

 

[Snowcat]

Another option is to modify INS Vikrant into LHD role, similar to San Antonio class (Spain) and Type 75 (China). This would allow us to use modified Tejas MK2 (STOVL version). The modified vessel could carry 10-12 such fighters/18-20 helicopters, in addition to 1000+ troops and 50+ tanks. In short, it can fit complete amphibious expeditionary unit. CSL has already said that after handing over INS Vikrant to the Navy, it can build 2-3 more such vessels, in shorter period of time.

India has a better chance of getting f 35B than making a stovl MK2. Lol

 

[Knowitall]

Nether India has the money nor the technology required to create such a platform for now.

Currently I doubt if we even have the money for just proper LHD at all.

Plus is IDRW retarded why would India create these mini carriers which are very expensive and limited in sortie rate and air compliment.

It would be much better to just create air bases on these island's themselves will be much cheaper and effective.

 

[shuvo@y2k10]

The Indian Navy has decided to cancel the old tender for 4 LHD in 2017-18, whose specifications were drawn up in 2006. New required specifications will come out in the new tender, which is yet to be released. In the old tender, domestic shipyards were to team up with foreign OEMs. But at present,from the experience gained from INS Jalashwa and building INS Vikrant, we do have in-house capabilities that naval design bureau can come up with our own designs, which can be similar to San Antonio class or Type 75 class.

 

[WolfPack86]

Navy Scraps Tender for Rs 20,000 Cr Landing Platform Docks Contract over New ‘Qualitative Requirements’

The Indian Navy has scrapped a tender to procure four Landing Platform Docks or amphibious warships at a cost of Rs 20,000 crore, nearly seven years after launching the acquisition process, government sources said. The withdrawal of a Request for Proposal (RFP) for the long-pending project was triggered by the Navy’s requirement of new specifications for the amphibious warships which are known as Landing Platform Docks (LPDs), the sources said. The LPDs are used to transport troops, land warfare assets such as tanks, helicopters and vessels into a war zone by sea. In a report tabled in Parliament, the Comptroller and Auditor General had last month taken strong exception to the India Navy’s failure to conclude the contract to procure the LPDs even after deciding on the acquisition in 2010. The Navy had issued initial tender for the mega project in 2013. “The qualitative requirement has undergone lot of changes,” said an official. The Indian Navy now plans to start a fresh bidding process for acquisition of the fleet. Three private sector companies – Reliance Defence and Engineering Limited (RDEL), Larsen & Toubro (L&T) and ABG Shipyard – were in the race initially for the mega project but ABG was disqualified on account of poor financial health Each of the ships were likely to be in the range of 30,000 and 40,000 tonnes. The national auditor had in September slammed the Navy for not being able to conclude the contract when it is reeling under a shortage of LPDs.

Navy Scraps Tender for Rs 20,000 Cr Landing Platform Docks Contract over New ‘Qualitative Requirements’ – Indian Defence Research Wing

idrw.org

 

[WolfPack86]

Due to budgetary constraints, Indian Navy is reducing no. of platforms of various systems to be acquired: