Pulwama Terror Attack On CRPF Convoy

[cyclops]

Sediq Sediqqi spokesman for the Afghanistan Ministry of Interior Affairs.

While strongly condemning the heinous #KashmirTerrorAttack on CRPF personnel, we stand united with India to combat terrorism in any form as we have done it as a nation in the past 18 years;

 

[shankyz]

Could not sleep properly yesterday night.

This dialogue from 'Shaurya' kept repeating itself in my mind.

 

[vampyrbladez]

India has a policy, it just cannot be spelled out in advance. We were hit in 65 war. We started preparation in 1965 and finished the task in 71. In between these 5 years, there must have been so many terror attacks. If, after every attack everyone said, today looks like a good day to invade, we'd never have succeeded. Foreign policy is more than just wars. Indian policy sailed us through the cold war (and managed to liberate Bangladesh too). We were able to go nuclear without getting invaded like Libya. We were able to buy oil in Indian currency without getting invaded like Iraq. The littoral nations of S.E Asia which were in Pakistan's camp in 65 are India's pets today. All of this is a result of foreign policy. We had the bomb in 74 but we waited until 99 till the other geopolitical factors became favorable for us. We work on our planned timeline; Not based on needling from enemies.

If it's just about visible retribution for this attack, that is coming. If you notice the government's opinion making machinery in action, you will see markers of what they want to do. If they wanted to cover it up, they could have sent a simple message to the media not to reveal the number of deaths. Here, the govt.'s opinion machinery is actively calling for attacks. The govt. wouldn't have allowed them to do that if they were going to disappoint. They are raising the temperature before the final hammer.

@Willy3 gon regret his bet. @Bhumihar ne screenshot bhi le liya.

Firstly are you some 'wise guy' aka Army, R&AW, Judge, Strategic Affairs Analyst? Your analysis of a situation is perfect. Especially regarding casualty figures.

Secondly, I agree with the amount of publicity given to this attack. We conducted cross border action in NSCN attacks and in Uri of lower scale but similar publicity. An attack of this magnitude will bring massive repercussions be it airstrikes, pinaka/smerch barrages, surgical strikes or even limited LOC fighting.

 

[Haldiram]

The 26/11 attack and yesterday's attack come in a similar background. The US was "pulling out" from Afghanistan, even back then in 2008, remember? Obama was literally urging India to attack Pakistan. They wanted Indian army to draw the Pakistani army's attention to the east so that the US forces could operate peacefully inside Afghanistan without distraction from Pakistan supported groups. India didn't take the bait back then and US casualties in the decade are the proof of the pudding. It took me 10 years to understand why Manmonah Singh didn't respond (later we realized that CIA operative David Headley planned 26/11, Pakistan only executed it). It would have been easy for Manmohan to attack. The trap was fully laid for us. He maneuvered out of it. India must start a war only when we are going to decapitate Pakistan. No more of these temporary sparring matches which allow Pakistan to live to fight another day. We need a final knockout punch.

Need to see which one of it is this time, a localized punitive action, or if a larger escalation is in the pipeline. There is a feeling that India can't realize its goals of becoming a bigger economy unless this tumor is dealt with first. That's why I've been saying since 5 years that war with Pakistan will happen before we become a large economy. Who wants to deal with the risk of having a 10 trillion $ economy nuked after you've built it? Whatever has to happen, it will happen in these 5-7 years.

CCS is a hogwash for media consumption. All responses are already calibrated (esp after being caught on the backfoot after op.Parakram).

 

[vampyrbladez]

Could not sleep properly yesterday night.

This dialogue from 'Shaurya' kept repeating itself in my mind.

Fuckers took "A Few Good Men" and copy pasted it onto their sickularism for Good Boy Dhindu™ to spread poison against our army. URI has shaken them up, tomorrow there will be many more URIs until every fucker who dares to raise sight on our country is destroyed.

 

[vampyrbladez]

The 26/11 attack and yesterday's attack come in a similar background. The US was "pulling out" from Afghanistan, even back then in 2008, remember? Obama was literally urging India to attack Pakistan. They wanted Indian army to draw the Pakistani army's attention to the east so that the US forces could operate peacefully inside Afghanistan without distraction from Pakistan supported groups. India didn't take the bait back then and US casualties in the decade are the proof of the pudding. It took me 10 years to understand why Manmonah Singh didn't respond (later we realized that CIA operative David Headley planned 26/11, Pakistan only executed it). It would have been easy for Manmohan to attack. The trap was fully laid for us. He maneuvered out of it. India must start a war only when we are going to decapitate Pakistan. No more of these temporary sparring matches which allow Pakistan to live to fight another day. We need a final knockout punch.

Need to see which one of it is this time, a localized punitive action, or if a larger escalation is in the pipeline. There is a feeling that India can't realize its goals of becoming a bigger economy unless this tumor is dealt with first. That's why I've been saying since 5 years that war with Pakistan will happen before we become a large economy. Who wants to deal with the risk of having a 10 trillion $ economy nuked after you've built it? Whatever has to happen, it will happen in these 5-7 years.

I hope Modi in his CCS meeting does concrete steps. A start would be crackdown on Hurriyat and making Pakis die of thirst by blocking Indus river.

 

[hit&run]

Rules were relaxed to help better Traffic flow for these Goat bangers Jihadi dogs. Most likely the check posts were also removed.

 

[shankyz]

Fuckers took "A Few Good Men" and copy pasted it onto their sickularism for Good Boy Dhindu[emoji769] to spread poison against our army. URI has shaken them up, tomorrow there will be many more URIs until every fucker who dares to raise sight on our country is destroyed.

I was talking about the specific dialogue from Kay Kay Menon, not the overall movie. Please listen to it. Each and every word he says is true.

It was the reason people remembered this movie, not what that dimwit Rahul Bose achieved in the end.

 

[indiatester]

@Indrajit is rational here.
India should already have maintained a much bigger imbalance of power that Pakistan couldn't give any unacceptable damage in war. Unfortunately, gap isn't high yet and we are prone to heavy losses. And given the current sentiment, this loss is a national shame. We aren't a random country sitting in corner. We love to call ourselves a great power. Attack can't go unpunished or we should be ready to get humiliated on every international forum.

What is the advantage of surgical strikes if they are able to attack again with more strength. Okay leave alone their assertiveness, where was the management? Three major attacks on security forces.
Counter attack is all fine but army is known for its discipline and defence. Why the heck these continuous breaches?

Whoever did this, the guy in chair of PM was supposed to keep us ready & robust against any problem. If he dares to take credit of surgical strikes, he should be ashamed of this failure too.

This attack will either get punished in most inhuman and fierce way of killing or Modi won't get any votes. At least from my family.

You are starting with the belief that you can't be attacked. You need to realize that you can be attacked and you will face losses. Every country did and does.
The reaction when you face a loss is what matters. Are you taking potshots at those from our side or those who attacked us.
Let me put in in a way I see this. A family has lost its son, and you are trying to tell the head of the family that he was responsible for his well being before any other activity has taken place.
Don't blame the victim or his profession. Neither the soldier, nor CRPF, nor the PMO surely want them to die. Its the enemy that you must show you anger against, not our own. Atleast at this time.

 

[Indrajit]

I hope Modi in his CCS meeting does concrete steps. A start would be crackdown on Hurriyat and making Pakis die of thirst by blocking Indus river.

Blocking water is not about to happen, it’s neither sensible nor practical. It will take us 15-20 years to build up that capability. Not a solution for this attack.

 

[Indrajit]

Its the enemy that you must show you anger against, not our own. Atleast at this time.

It is the enemy that anger must be directed towards. You are right that it was almost certain that an attack will happen at some point. What is being pointed out that the tools for demonstrating our anger towards the Pakistanis have not been put in place.

 

[Enquirer]

India has a policy, it just cannot be spelled out in advance. We were hit in 65 war. We started preparation in 1965 and finished the task in 71. In between these 5 years, there must have been so many terror attacks. If, after every attack everyone said, today looks like a good day to invade, we'd never have succeeded. Foreign policy is more than just wars. Indian policy sailed us through the cold war without a scratch (compare that to what happened to Vietnam, Cuba etc). Not only did we keep ourselves safe, we even managed to snatch Bangladesh at the height of the cold war. That's superior strategy. We were able to go nuclear without getting invaded like Libya. We were able to buy oil in Indian currency without getting invaded like Iraq. The littoral nations of S.E Asia which were in Pakistan's camp in 65 are India's pets today (Iran had offered fighter jets/free oil and Indonesia had offered to attack Andaman). All of this is a result of foreign policy. We had the bomb in 74 but we waited until 99 till the other geopolitical factors became favorable for us. We work on our planned timeline; Not based on needling from enemies.

If it's just about visible retribution for this attack, that is coming. If you notice the government's opinion making machinery in action, you will see markers of what they want to do. If they wanted to cover it up, they could have sent a simple message to the media not to reveal the number of deaths. Here, the govt.'s opinion machinery is actively calling for attacks. The govt. wouldn't have allowed them to do that if they were going to disappoint. They are raising the temperature before the final hammer. If they show orphans and wailing widows, the govt. is building public opinion to give themselves some bandwidth in case the escalation spirals out, so that tomorrow peaceniks can't blame the govt. for dragging the nation into an "unnecessary war". They are working on the "necessary" part first.

@Willy3 gon regret his bet. @Bhumihar ne screenshot bhi le liya.

Highly doubt that the government could just tell the media not to reveal the death toll.
This is a terror attack on 'police force' inside the country - not military casaulties in an enemy warfield.
Also, with the onset of 24/7 cable news, Internet & social media the days of controlling the media are gone...which was possible to some extent with limited print media before the 90s...

Your narrative that India always had a long term strategic plan and it gets revealed at the best time is not accurate at all. Conversely, India's bold actions were mostly driven by out-of-control and imminently devastating situations.

71 war was the only one that I would commend for good planning and execution - but of course that too was facilitated by months of massacring of millions of Bengalis.

India's lacunae in policy making is so glaringly obvious in its history!
- Failure to overcome Pakistan's prostitution to US in the 50s (which alienated US from India, despite India's desire for close relations)
- Failure to anticipate China's aggression
- Failure to anticipate 65 war (which despite the purported win did cause huge losses to India)
- Failure to anticipate and prevent Paki influence on Punjab in late 70s & the 80s
- WORST OF ALL: Failure to anticipate that Pakis would push the tens of thousands of jihadis into Kashmir in the 80s & 90s DESPITE the obvious knowledge that Paki army was in control of hundreds of thousands of mujahideen; and DESPITE THE HISTORY of Pakis having abetted terrorism in Punjab, used Pashtun tribals to attack Kashmir, & openly invaded Kashmir THREE times !
- And need I say anything about Kargill??
- Despite the several wars fought with Pakis, and enduring Paki sponsored terrorism in Punjab & Kashmir, Indian military in the 2000s had no plan for military mobilization in the eventuality of war breaking out! India took several months and lost 800+ soldiers just to mobilize the troops after the parliament attack.

India falls into Paki trap everytime! Paki's peace overtures are always meant for healing its own wounds and let India drop its guard. Yet, India falls for it every time - because it doesn't have a well thought out and a-priori strategy to deal with the various eventualities!

The boldest strategy ever formulated and implemented was that by Narashimha Rao (unfortunately he gets absolutely no credit for that)! Having seen India flounder at every step, he came in with a force and changed things at every level!
- Said a fuck you to socialism - started economic liberalization (that led to the stupendous growth)
- Established diplomatic relations with Israel (which has been a boon for Indian security)
- Finalized the nuclear testing (handed over the baton at the last leg to Vajpayee & convinced him to do it as top priority)
- First PM to openly state that the only dispute/unfinished-agenda of Kashmir is for India to reclaim POK (only since then did the Indian establishment get the balls to hark on claiming the whole of J&K as integral to India)

Net-net, I disagree with your assessment that every happenstance in Indian history was due to a very well thought out plan! Had India planned things in a strategic fashion India could have achieved growth and prosperity long back & might have been much more developed at this time.

 

[indus]

The 26/11 attack and yesterday's attack come in a similar background. The US was "pulling out" from Afghanistan, even back then in 2008, remember? Obama was literally urging India to attack Pakistan. They wanted Indian army to draw the Pakistani army's attention to the east so that the US forces could operate peacefully inside Afghanistan without distraction from Pakistan supported groups. India didn't take the bait back then and US casualties in the decade are the proof of the pudding. It took me 10 years to understand why Manmonah Singh didn't respond (later we realized that CIA operative David Headley planned 26/11, Pakistan only executed it). It would have been easy for Manmohan to attack. The trap was fully laid for us. He maneuvered out of it. India must start a war only when we are going to decapitate Pakistan. No more of these temporary sparring matches which allow Pakistan to live to fight another day. We need a final knockout punch.

Need to see which one of it is this time, a localized punitive action, or if a larger escalation is in the pipeline. There is a feeling that India can't realize its goals of becoming a bigger economy unless this tumor is dealt with first. That's why I've been saying since 5 years that war with Pakistan will happen before we become a large economy. Who wants to deal with the risk of having a 10 trillion $ economy nuked after you've built it? Whatever has to happen, it will happen in these 5-7 years.

CCS is a hogwash for media consumption. All responses are already calibrated (esp after being caught on the backfoot after op.Parakram).

Whatever 3D chess our strategy makers play but one thing is sure that our leaders suffer from acute Prithviraj Chauhan syndrome. We always forgive the enemy to live another day. And it comes again to hurt us emboldened even more.

 

[Anikastha]

Nothing will happen guys. Politicians will sit in front of cameras will start throwing mud on each other. Opposition will use this as political mileage. Modi winning 2019 were slim 3 days ago. Now stupid indians are blaming Modi for carrying out Surgical Strike. There won't be any strike on PA or Pakistan. Instead of playing victim card and gaining more sympathy on Internaional level our fucking media is running a circus show. This country is full of cucks and idiots.
Is desh ko koi nahi badal sakta.

 

[Enquirer]

The 26/11 attack and yesterday's attack come in a similar background. The US was "pulling out" from Afghanistan, even back then in 2008, remember? Obama was literally urging India to attack Pakistan. They wanted Indian army to draw the Pakistani army's attention to the east so that the US forces could operate peacefully inside Afghanistan without distraction from Pakistan supported groups. India didn't take the bait back then and US casualties in the decade are the proof of the pudding. It took me 10 years to understand why Manmonah Singh didn't respond (later we realized that CIA operative David Headley planned 26/11, Pakistan only executed it). It would have been easy for Manmohan to attack. The trap was fully laid for us. He maneuvered out of it. India must start a war only when we are going to decapitate Pakistan. No more of these temporary sparring matches which allow Pakistan to live to fight another day. We need a final knockout punch.

Need to see which one of it is this time, a localized punitive action, or if a larger escalation is in the pipeline. There is a feeling that India can't realize its goals of becoming a bigger economy unless this tumor is dealt with first. That's why I've been saying since 5 years that war with Pakistan will happen before we become a large economy. Who wants to deal with the risk of having a 10 trillion $ economy nuked after you've built it? Whatever has to happen, it will happen in these 5-7 years.

CCS is a hogwash for media consumption. All responses are already calibrated (esp after being caught on the backfoot after op.Parakram).

This is such BS!
Just because David Headley was a US citizen, it doesn't mean US orchestrated 26/11! And India attacking Pakistan would serve no purpose for US - it would have only been a headache! Pakistan was using the purported Indian aggression as a excuse why it cannot act against the Taliban. Pakis were obviously provoking India to take an aggressive stand which would give Pakis an excuse!
Manmohan didn't see US as being deceitful, but knew Pakis gameplan. But letting go of Pakistan was also not wise.

This is exactly what I was saying in my earlier post: Pakistan is too clever and puts India in a situation that it cannot punish Pakistan for its misdeeds. It's all because of lacking strategic thinking and planning.

 

[brational]

It is quite shocking that the GOI is still not Declaring Pakistan as a "Terrorist State" All formal relations with Pakistan should have been snapped yesterday itself when JeM claimed the responsibility. Its the right time to repeal Artical 370 and flood the valley with Hindu population. Take the Hurriyat members in custody and torture them for 7 days and show no mercy to the stone pelters. Impose a complete shutdown in the valley right from Mobile service, broadband, food distribution, Healthcare, Transport service. Seal all entry and exit points to the valley. Kashmiri people must pay the price.
It is equally shocking as to why the govt has not called an all party meet to build the concensus on possible actions. It is a big opportunity for the govt to expose those who are still opposing abrogation of Article 370.

Act now or never on domestic solution pertaining to Kashmir before teaching Pakistan a lesson. Hightime...

 

[Indrajit]

We need to send the Pakistan High Commisioner back and withdraw ours. No point in asking the rest of the world to take action without us doing so first.

 

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Terrorist Attack on Indian Security Forces Convoy

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Press Statement
Robert Palladino
Deputy Spokesperson
Washington, DC
February 14, 2019

The United States condemns in the strongest terms the terrorist attack today on an Indian Central Reserve Police Force convoy in the Indian state of Jammu and Kashmir. We extend our deepest condolences to the victims and their families, and wish a speedy recovery to those injured. The United States is resolutely committed to working with the Indian government to combat terrorism in all its forms. The UN designated, Pakistan-based terrorist group Jaish-e-Muhammad has claimed responsibility for this heinous act. We call on all countries to uphold their responsibilities pursuant to UN Security Council resolutions to deny safe haven and support for terrorists.

https://www.state.gov/r/pa/prs/ps/2019/02/289486.htm

 

[Haldiram]

 

[Defenceanalyst91]

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