Project P15B Visakhapatnam class destroyer

[AnantS]

And then we will get to the point where tanks will carry rapid fire 57mm rail guns.

that will be equivalent of elephants carrying light canons

 

[karn]

Are there any developments (anywhere in the world ) for a high intensity microwave weapon mounted on a vehicle . I don't mean just a jammer but something that can short circuit electronics . Or a surface air missile with a flux compression generator bomb as it's warhead .
AFAIK Kali is something like this but is just a lab device to test emp Harding of different devices.

 

[AnantS]

Are there any developments (anywhere in the world ) for a high intensity microwave weapon mounted on a vehicle . I don't mean just a jammer but something that can short circuit electronics . Or a surface air missile with a flux compression generator bomb as it's warhead .
AFAIK Kali is something like this but is just a lab device to test emp Harding of different devices.

DEW are still in R&D. Most EMPs are nuke. There is rumor US tested a non nuke EMP in Desert Storm on Iraqi TV tower. Emps are useful against civvie infra. Against military - effects are limited as most military h/w are hardened against ew interference

 

[karn]

DEW are still in R&D. Most EMPs are nuke. There is rumor US tested a non nuke EMP in Desert Storm on Iraqi TV tower. Emps are useful against civvie infra. Against military - effects are limited as most military h/w are hardened against ew interference

Non nuke emp bombs are a pretty old concept . I read on prasundas Gupta's Blog ( so unsure of the claim) that IAF has these emp bombs .

How Electromagnetic Pulse Attacks Work

Learn how EMPs work and how these weapons could tear apart modern technology.

science.howstuffworks.com

 

[johnj]

Ok, so were you contradicting our view or agreeing with it?? Now I'm really confused.

None, but correcting the logic & math, plus keeping far away from your statement, ie India vs China, hence I can't agree or disagree.
If India build 4 mbt in 10y and India+Russia built 8 tanks[4 each] in 11 years then how efficiency increases ??

 

[johnj]

DEW are still in R&D. Most EMPs are nuke. There is rumor US tested a non nuke EMP in Desert Storm on Iraqi TV tower. Emps are useful against civvie infra. Against military - effects are limited as most military h/w are hardened against ew interference

Yes, yes, but highly effective against power grid/power stations, giving multiple advantage to US.
effects are limited as most military h/w - then use EMP first and use bunker buster on the buildings not affected by EMP

 

[AnantS]

Yes, yes, but highly effective against power grid/power stations, giving multiple advantage to US.
effects are limited as most military h/w - then use EMP first and use bunker buster on the buildings not affected by EMP

Yes thats why i said they are effective against civie infra. Power stations, communication towers etc. But military is different ball game.

 

[Abhijeet Dey]

And then we will get to the point where tanks will carry rapid fire 57mm rail guns.

https://www.deviantart.com/duskie-06/art/M92A3-Gargantua-Heavy-Railgun-Tank-533652805

 

[SKC]

View attachment 227428

https://www.deviantart.com/duskie-06/art/M92A3-Gargantua-Heavy-Railgun-Tank-533652805

Behold the Legendary M808 Tank (battle tested across the universe):

 

[Chinmoy]

INS Imphal

 

[Blood+]

Behold the Legendary M808 Tank (battle tested across the universe):

View attachment 227495

Nah, that's even worse than Cold War-era MBTs. Quite honestly, UNSC vehicles in general just suck balls.

 

[binayak95]

Nah, that's even worse than Cold War-era MBTs. Quite honestly, UNSC vehicles in general just suck balls.

Except the warthog and their aerial vehicles.
The scorpion's four independent track system is just a disaster.

You dont get the benefit of weight distribution, and you add on the nightmare of maintaining more tracks and links. Then theres transmission to deal with, and as Nick Moran would say THE TRACK TENSION!

 

[Blood+]

Except the warthog and their aerial vehicles.

I was specifically talking about their ground vehicles. The space ships on the other hand, they are some of the most realistic I have seen in any sci-fi setting.

The scorpion's four independent track system is just a disaster.
You dont get the benefit of weight distribution, and you add on the nightmare of maintaining more tracks and links. Then theres transmission to deal with, and as Nick Moran would say THE TRACK TENSION!

Exactly this.

PS - Between their definite edge in AI technology over the Covenant and those hilariously OP MAC canons, UNSC should have wiped the floor with the Covenant.

 

[Corvus Splendens]

Nah, that's even worse than Cold War-era MBTs. Quite honestly, UNSC vehicles in general just suck balls.

It also had a 90mm gun firing solid shot.

 

[abingdonboy]

Hmmm, so there is still the faintest of hope left that we might yet be able to match (or at least come close to matching) the seed of Chinese shipyards by the next decade.

The biggest impediment to this is the GoI and services themselves

between endless file shuffling and babudom and foreign brochure lust the Indian order books are starved. The list of Indian products waiting for (decent)orders never stops growing

LCH
LUH
ARJUN
ATAGS
LAMV
NAMICA
MMMA
MPA
SCA
ISTARS
NETRA
TAPAS
etc etc etc

3+4, 4+4, 6+6 types of order quantities are a complete joke and the only result of these will be high costs and low productivity

the only hope is for Indian companies to get sufficient orders from abroad across the board to keep their investments afloat and justifiable (see ATAGS), no sensible entity will invest knowing how poorly Indian products are treated and the hoops they have to jump through

America/China/Russia (to an extent) are successful because they convert their immense scale into domestic orders, Indian leadership is busy converting Indian scale into foreign OEM order books

 

[abingdonboy]

In simple, MDL need/took 10 years to build 4 Project-15B vessels and 11 years to build 4 Project-17A vessels
for ex, a[one] person can builds 4 mbt in 10 years and 2 persons can build 7 mbt in 11 years, which means efficiency is decreasing not increasing, and after 1.5 decade, the same first persons[MDL] need 12 to build 4mbtA [4 Project-15C] vessels or 15~20 years to build NGMBT[Project-18]

You missed the fact that all Project-15B were build by MDL, and Project-17A is build by both MDL and GRSE at same time, and MDL only building only 4 Project-17A - both of yours calculations make zero sense

Now if you consider time took by MDL to build 1 Project-15B, then it is similar or greater than[3 to 12 months] to 1 Project-17A, means there is some efficacy, improvement considering small order, ie 4 for MDL and 3 for GRSE

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3 Project-15A = MDL ~ 13 years
4 Project-15B = MDL ~ 11 years
4 Project-17A = MDL ~ 10 years
3 Project-17A = GRSE ~ 08 years
2 Triput class = GSL ~ 05 years
Project 17B ???
4 Project 18 = ????
4 Project 18 = ????

P15Bs are basically the same footprint of the OG P15s and built to the same process (give of take), the 17As being built using modular construction is a substantial upgrade and it’s a deep shame they stopped at only 17 of the things and despite all the talk of follow ons within a few months all 17A hulls will be in the water and hence production lines specific to the 17As will once again go silent

i suspect by the 6th/7th hill they’ll have got the build time for the 7,000 ton 17As down to less than 60 months- that’s very respectable for vessels of this size, the biggest issue is there’ll be a big gap to whatever comes next. The Chinese/Americans do not end production of 1 line of vessels without their successors already being in the yard. IN seems to want 3-5 years between each vessel class for some god only knows reason. IAC-1 might be on its own (Vikky doesn’t count) for over a decade

 

[abingdonboy]

just to add a bit of info to this discussion.

the order numbers being given in batches of 4s or 5s is by design, there will be a video of one of previous navy chief explaining the logic. they want to incorporate as many proven tech in to every new batch, so that new batch delays obsolesce of tech by some years.

in other words, if production rate has to improve, innovations has to be done on shipyard side of the equation.

vendor has to adjust to the customer, not the other way around.

So why does the IN not continually place orders? P15Bs are almost all delivered and where’s their successors (P18)? Not even off the design board

as I said above- real navies don’t let their production sit idle for even a month, IN is happy to have 3-10++ year gaps between their ship classes

the position of the IN would be reasonable if they could give orders in a timely enough manner to ensure seamless production but this stop/start drip drip order process is the antithesis to scale and efficiency, all 6 P75 have long since been delivered and only NOW is IN *thinking* about additional units from the existing lines? (Forget about P75I fantasies)

 

[Blood+]

P15Bs are basically the same footprint of the OG P15s and built to the same process (give of take), the 17As being built using modular construction is a substantial upgrade and it’s a deep shame they stopped at only 17 of the things and despite all the talk of follow ons within a few months all 17A hulls will be in the water and hence production lines specific to the 17As will once again go silent

i suspect by the 6th/7th hill they’ll have got the build time for the 7,000 ton 17As down to less than 60 months- that’s very respectable for vessels of this size, the biggest issue is there’ll be a big gap to whatever comes next. The Chinese/Americans do not end production of 1 line of vessels without their successors already being in the yard. IN seems to want 3-5 years between each vessel class for some god only knows reason. IAC-1 might be on its own (Vikky doesn’t count) for over a decade

Wasn't there a buzz going around about a repeat order of 8 additional FFGs under Project P 17 Bravo??
Here -

Listen from 23:17 minute mark.

 

[abingdonboy]

Wasn't there a buzz going around about a repeat order of 8 additional FFGs under Project P 17 Bravo??
Here -

Listen from 23:17 minute mark.

All talk no action. As I said above letting deliveries end with no successors even sanctioned let alone in production is a ridiculous situation that they keep allowing to occur

every time one class finishes And another starts if there’s a break you’re incurring at least a 2-3 year delay due to the need to re-tool/train and optimise the yard

the ‘builder’s navy’ doesn’t seem to care

 

[binayak95]

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