Project-17A Nilgiri-class Frigate Thread

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So Chinese have an alternative in case Western supplies dries up or sanctions are piled.
That was my original argument .
If sanctions are applied, the engines already installed don't disappear in a puff of smoke. The supply of spare parts & perishables has already been localized by HAL for GE LM2500 turbines.

In the event of sanctions, the only thing we can't do is to order further numbers of these engines.

Secondly, if at all we want to build independence we can't do that by being dependent on unreliable suppliers like Ukraine & Russia. We have to do what China did and buy out IPRs instead of giving contract on top of contract to a company that doesn't give a sh!t about your timelines or needs, and keeps getting rewarded with further contracts for their disservice.

One can only imagine what these companies will do when & if India is under sanctions and they realize they are your only option? They'll sell you Tata Nano for the price of a Rolls Royce (one can say Russians are doing that 24x7x365 to us even today).

I agree that we need to be independent, but I disagree that not contributing enough funds for projects like Kaveri or making any attempt to buy out IPRs from vulnerable, money-starved Eastern European companies & simultaneously allowing ourselves to be ripped off consistently by the Russians & Ukrainians, we are somehow contributing to our independence.

It sounds like a joke. One would cut your water supply if & when sanctions happen, but the other would bleed you dry constantly, sanctions or no sanctions.
 

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If sanctions are applied, the engines already installed don't disappear in a puff of smoke. The supply of spare parts & perishables has already been localized by HAL for GE LM2500 turbines.
Didn't know that . That's the most important part of discussion. Do you have any link for this.

Having multiple suppliers preempt the sections. As sanctions only mean surrendering market to other suppliers. But you are right that we should take ipr and build copy of russian engine. But I guess our strategy is to build copies of Western engines or develop kaveri derived engines which take much longer but will be more reliable / efficient than Russian engine. Sort of what we do with helicopter engines. Till then I guess some of our warships will continue to get Russian / Ukrainian engine.
 

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Smells like AK-203/CHAKRA/BHISHMA

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Won't include chakra into that as how do you decide price of something which nobody else is selling !!

Also akula class submarine (13000ton ) could actually cost 2-3 billion USD to build in today rate.
On top of that we are substituting internals from Russian to India except for nuke reactor. Of which we'll be getting assistance from Russian to build our own 150mw portable reactor which will power all our next gen ssbn all San and probably our next gen nuke powered carrier.
 

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Keel of INS Udaygiri, hull number Y-12653 laid.

This is the 3rd of 4 Nilgiri-class frigates to be built at MDL Mumbai. The following 3 will be built by GRSE Kolkata.


After the US report on PLA-N rapid fleet induction, MoD babus finally got a testicle shot to speed up shipbuilding, delivery, and commissioning of vessels that are already sanctioned.
 

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Not a fan of just 8 VLS for Brahmos, this is going to be a class of ship with the possible China specific engagement in mind as well, not just Pak - in the worst-worst case China and Pak. It's such a big ship to only be moving around 8 anti ship missiles. India cant match China with number of ships, so I would think they would try to pack as much anti air, anti ship missiles they can with each platform.

RBU-6000 takes so much space on this ship, Russia has abandoned it's usage as well. I dont know why IN wants to keep this still.
 
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Literally, one IA Brahmos launcher has close to half the amount of assault as this ship.:crazy:
 

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Not a fan of just 8 VLS for Brahmos, this is going to be a class of ship with the possible China specific engagement in mind as well, not just Pak - in the worst-worst case China and Pak. It's such a big ship to only be moving around 8 anti ship missiles. India cant match China with number of ships, so I would think they would try to pack as much anti air, anti ship missiles they can with each platform.

RBU-6000 takes so much space on this ship, Russia has abandoned it's usage as well. I dont know why IN wants to keep this still.
RBU is a simple, cheap system for our use case. When chasing submarines you may hesitate in letting go of a HWT if you are unsure of the contact, and also HWT have a minimum range as well.

It can also be used for mine clearance when required.

Lastly, it is also a defensive system against inbound torps.

IN has gone in for RBU on ASW-SWC and i think it is a brilliant idea.
 

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Mazagon Dock Lays Keel for Third Project 17A Stealth Frigate for Indian Navy
Indian state-owned shipbuilder, Mazagon Dock Limited (MDL) laid the keel for the third Project 17A (P17A) stealth frigate for the Indian Navy on Sept. 10.


The keel of the vessel, with Yard no. 12653, was ceremoniously laid by Vice Admiral S R Sarma, Chief of Materiel (COM) and Controller Warship Production and Acquisition (CWP&A) of the Indian Navy (IN), and V L Kantha Rao, Additional Secretary (Defence Production) at Indian Ministry of Defence (MOD).


The keel laying ceremony was conducted through an e-platform in the presence of Vice Admiral R B Pandit, Chief of Staff, Headquarters Western Naval Command (HQWNC), and Vice Admiral Narayan Prasad (IN Retd.), Chairman and Managing Director (CMD) of MDL.


The ceremony was also attended by Rear Admiral G K Harish, Director General – Naval Design (DGND); Commodore T V Thomas (IN Retd.), Director – Corporate Planning & Personnel (CP&P) at MDL; Rear Admiral A K Saxena (IN Retd.), Director (Shipbuilding) at MDL; Commander Jasbir Singh (IN Retd.), Director – Submarine & Heavy Engineering (S&HE) at MDL; Sanjeev Singhal, Director (Finance), MDL; Mahesh Chandra, Chief Vigilance Officer (CVO) at MDL; along with senior executives from MDL and senior Navy officials through an e-ceremony including the Warship Overseeing Team.

Indian Navy Project 17A (P17A) Nilgiri-class Frigates

Project 17A (P17A)-class is a new class of stealth frigates under construction for the Indian Navy as a follow-on of the Project 17 (P17) Shivalik-class frigates currently in service.


A total of seven ships are planned, out of which four will be constructed by Mazagon Dock Limited (MDL) in Mumbai and remaining three by Garden Reach Shipbuilders & Engineers (GRSE) in Kolkata with MDL as the lead yard. The construction times for the frigates will be reduced and productivity will improved by using modular integrated construction.


The P17A class frigates are being built using indigenously developed steel. Construction of P17A ships differ in the very concept of warship building by way of adoption of the modern technology ‘Integrated Construction (IC)’ where the blocks are pre-outfitted before joining to reduce the build period of warships. When commissioned the platforms will enhance the combat capability of the Indian Naval fleet.


The P17A class frigates will have enhanced stealth features, and will also feature better roll stabilisation and a discreet visual profile. These ships are being built using indigenously developed steel and fitted with state-of-the-art weapon and sensor systems along with advanced Integrated Platform Management System (IPMS).


The 6,670-tonne frigates will be equipped with Barak 8 long range surface-to-air missile (LR-SAM), BrahMos supersonic cruise missile, EL/M-2248 MF-STAR multi-function active electronically scanned array (AESA) naval radar system, Ajanta electronic warfare (EW) system and Humsa-NG sonar.


Each P17A frigate will be powered by two GE LM2500 marine gas turbines and two diesel engines in a combined diesel or gas (CODOG) turbine configuration. The Industrial and Marine Gas Turbine division of the state-owned Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL) is assembling the LM2500 gas turbines in India under license from GE (General Electric).

The crew complement of the frigates will be reduced from the existing 257 (including 35 officers) to about 150 by using high levels of automation, which will reduce the operational costs by around 20 per cent and result in higher operational availability of the warships.


Ships of the class:


The first ship of the class is named INS Nilgiri after the lead ship of the now-decommissioned Nilgiri-class of frigates also built by the MDL. The older six-ship Nilgiri-class vessels are updated versions of British Leander class frigates.


The second to sixth vessels of the new class are to be named INS Himgiri, INS Udaygiri, INS Dunagiri, INS Taragiri, and INS Vindhyagiri after the older Nilgiri-class vessels. The seventh ship will be named INS Mahendragiri.


The keel laying of the first P17A-class frigate (Yard no: 12651) was conducted by MDL on Dec. 28, 2017, and the vessel was launched on Sept. 28, 2019. The vessel is expected to delivered to the Navy by 2022.


GRSE laid the keel for the first of the three frigates it was contracted on Nov. 9, 2018.
 

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Keel laid today for the
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's 3rd Project 17A (new Nilgiri class) stealth frigate UDAYGIRI. Seven of these ships will be built -- 4 at Mazagon Docks, 3 at Garden Reach Shipbuilders. Lead ship expected to enter service mid-2022.
Keel of the first vessel of the class, INS Nilgiri, was laid down in 28 December 2017, and it was launched in 28 September 2019, taking 20 months to be built and is expected to enter service at about August 2022.

How can you suppose UDAYGIRI to enter service in mid-2022, taking less than 20 months?
 

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Keel of the first vessel of the class, INS Nilgiri, was laid down in 28 December 2017, and it was launched in 28 September 2019, taking 20 months to be built and is expected to enter service at about August 2022.

How can you suppose UDAYGIRI to enter service in mid-2022, taking less than 20 months?
1st ones take more time usually... Consider Arihant & Arighat.
 

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Keel of INS Udaygiri, hull number Y-12653 laid.

This is the 3rd of 4 Nilgiri-class frigates to be built at MDL Mumbai. The following 3 will be built by GRSE Kolkata.


After the US report on PLA-N rapid fleet induction, MoD babus finally got a testicle shot to speed up shipbuilding, delivery, and commissioning of vessels that are already sanctioned.
In think its a time India should leave 6 to 7 ship stratergy...India should go for atleast 10 to 12 ships for firgates and 9 ships for destroyers whenever New project is made. We also require Missile boats thats should be like 16 Ships in new projects each...
 

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In think its a time India should leave 6 to 7 ship stratergy...India should go for atleast 10 to 12 ships for firgates and 9 ships for destroyers whenever New project is made. We also require Missile boats thats should be like 16 Ships in new projects each...
First, let them increase the number of VLS cells per ship and standardize on a single VLS type for housing all the different classes of missiles onboard.
 

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In think its a time India should leave 6 to 7 ship stratergy...India should go for atleast 10 to 12 ships for firgates and 9 ships for destroyers whenever New project is made. We also require Missile boats thats should be like 16 Ships in new projects each...
Lol. What strategy? This is the first time the IN is doing 7 ships of a class at the same time instead of 3 or 4 (max). So you should be happy it's 7 now. 😅😂
 

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MEET INDIAN NAVY'S NEW 'MADE IN INDIA' INDIGENOUS ADVANCED STEALTH FRIGATE INS 'HIMGIRI'
KOLKATA: 'Himgiri', the first of the three Project 17A ships being built at Kolkata's Garden Reach Shipbuilders and Engineers Limited (GRSE), made her first contact with the waters of Hoogly River on Monday. Project 17A has upheld India's vision for 'Atmanirbhar Bharat'. P17A ships have been indigenously designed by Directorate of Naval Design (Surface Ship Design Group) - DND (SSG), and are being built at indigenous yards namely Mazagon Dock Shipbuilders Limited (MDL) and GRSE.


'Himgiri', the first of the three Project 17A ships being built at Kolkata's Garden Reach Shipbuilders and Engineers Limited (GRSE), made her first contact with the waters of Hoogly River on Monday, December 14. Take a look at the pictures.


"Under the Project 17A program, a total of seven ships, four at Mazagon Dock Shipbuilders Limited (MDL) and three ships at GRSE are being built with enhanced stealth features, advanced indigenous weapon and sensor fit along with several other improvements. The launch of 'Himgiri' has showcased GRSE's commitment towards the building of three state-of-the-art warships of P17A for Indian Navy," said a press communique issued by ministry of defence (Eastern Command).

Over the years, GRSE has emerged as a leading shipyard having built over 100 ships. The yard has scaled up its infrastructure and skill sets to meet new challenges in building of P17A ships. P17A ships are the first gas turbine propulsion and largest combat platforms ever built at GRSE.

According to MoD spokesperson, naval shipbuilding provides a great opportunity to energise India's economy post Covid-19 situation. Project 17A ships are sourcing 80 per cent of the material and equipment required for the project from indigenous vendors and with employment generation for over 2000 Indian firms and MSMEs within the country.

"Modular construction of the ship through outsourcing, and integrated construction methodology are being used to enhance GRSE's productivity for delivery of ship targeted in August 2023," a statement said.
 

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