Prahaar Short Range Tactical Missile System

[plugwater]

Pinaka 2 rockets are indeed new coz of longer range..

Its the Pinaka only, the integrating of UAV is simillar step as Russian did with Smrech..

Pinaka 2 is not canceled..

Since it is a new longer rockets, Launch vehicle and other systems should change too.

This is from wiki
While the Pinaka will not be developed further into a larger system, its success and the experience gained from the program has led the ARDE and its partner organizations, to launch a project to develop a long range MBRL in the class of the Smerch MBRL.
Pinaka Multi Barrel Rocket Launcher - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I ll try to find some other source to back this.

 

[Sridhar]

According to senior defence officials, the 150 km-range 'Prahaar (Strike)' missile would replace unguided rockets.

Dr. Saraswat said Prahaar would bridge the gap between the Pinaka, a 40-km range multi-barrel rocket system and the 350-km Prithvi-II, which had been converted into a strategic missile.

Dr. Saraswat said the missile would be equipped with omni-directional warheads and could be used for hitting both tactical and strategic targets.

Avinash Chander, chief controller, (missile & strategic systems), DRDO, said the most ''critical milestone' - the testing of three propulsion motors for the first, second and third stages of the missile - was completed.

The 'Prahaar' will be a road-mobile NLOS weapon-similar to the BrahMos supersonic multi-role cruise missile-with each motorised transporter-erector-launcher (TEL) carrying three canister-based, vertically-launched missiles armed with conventional warheads.

A separate wheeled vehicle is being developed to act as a missile resupply station, carrying six canister-based missile rounds. Experts say the 'Prahaar' resembles an Israel Aerospace Industries-built LORA long-range artillery rocket.

The 'Prahaar' will eventually replace all existing Prithvi SS-150 missiles that are now deployed by the three missile groups of the Indian Army.

domain-b.com : India all set to test 150 km range, tactical missile 'Prahaar'

 

[Sridhar]

Many details of Prahaar
TRISHUL: More Details Emerge About ‘Prahaar’

 

[LETHALFORCE]

This is really the first PGM India will induct. It was also developed indigenously;it is a major breakthrough; many more weapons are probably on the drawing board?? This is a solid fuel missile that can be stored indefinetly. Last few missiles developed have all been solid fuel Agni,Shaurya and now Prahar. Nirbhay will also be solid fuelled.

 

[Rahul Singh]

According to senior defence officials, the 150 km-range 'Prahaar (Strike)' missile would replace unguided rockets.

Sri that replacing theory can very well be traditional spiced-news. Missiles like 'Prahar' are very costly competitively to unguided rockets and will be employed only to takeout out special and valuable targets. But for anti-personal uses, covering fire, area sanitation, Army will always need cheap Rockets(MBRLs) and field howitzer cannons.

 

[sayareakd]

150 km range with this new missile that too at any direction is cool, this means that we can cover 1000km border with Pakistan, with 7-8 launchers if we just park them close to our border.

 

[sayareakd]

BTW would be interesting if we can put these missile into fighter for air to surface mode.

 

[LETHALFORCE]

Sri that replacing theory can very well be traditional spiced-news. Missiles like 'Prahar' are very costly competitively to unguided rockets and will be employed only to takeout out special and valuable targets. But for anti-personal uses, covering fire, area sanitation, Army will always need cheap Rockets(MBRLs) and field howitzer cannons.

This is true but instead of jumping to a cruise missile or Prithvi after using Pinaka or Smerch we can now use Prahar.

 

[LETHALFORCE]

BTW would be interesting if we can put these missile into fighter for air to surface mode.

we will definetly see a naval version of this too.

 

[Sridhar]

Any body's take on Prahaar being the Isaraeli EXTRA as speculated by Prasun ...Few specifications match. Could this be any joint effort.

here are more details about EXTRA

http://www.sibat.mod.gov.il/NR/rdonlyres/34957239-5D65-4E10-A3D7-EE336AEFC619/0/sod_imi.pdf

Extra

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http://www.imi-israel.com/vault/documents/extra.pdf

http://www.iai.co.il/16147-36448-en/Business_Areas_Military_Land_PrecisionStrike.aspx?btl=1

 

[sayareakd]

Any body's take on Prahaar being the Isaraeli EXTRA as speculated by Prasun ...Few specifications match. Could this be any joint effort.

here are more details about EXTRA

http://www.sibat.mod.gov.il/NR/rdonlyres/34957239-5D65-4E10-A3D7-EE336AEFC619/0/sod_imi.pdf

Extra

Picture Gallery

http://www.imi-israel.com/vault/documents/extra.pdf

http://www.iai.co.il/16147-36448-en/Business_Areas_Military_Land_PrecisionStrike.aspx?btl=1

Prasun is same guy who said that L&T launcher is for Prahaar. We should wait for 17th, it is not too far. If all credit goes to DRDO then it should go to them, therefore lets wait for 17th and first pics of the missile, then do the judgment.

 

[Sridhar]

In an Interview to SA(South Asian Defence and Strategic Review Magazine oct 2008 ) Surender Kumar ,Director has said they are into a project to develop a 150 km rocket.

check page 5 of this pdf

 

[pack leader]

this is not extra
extra is much smaller with 2 canisters with 4 rockets on a regular truck chassis
YouTube - ‪IMI LYNX Rockets Launcher לינקס משגר רקטות וטילים‬‏

 

[plugwater]

Many details of Prahaar
TRISHUL: More Details Emerge About 'Prahaar'

Some comments from Prasun in that article

the Indian Army was most impressed with the LORA when it was first demonstrated to a visiting Indian Army delegation to Israel way back in late 2004, and wanted at that time to begin a one-for-one replacement of existing liquid-fuelled Prithvi SS-150 missiles. But later, since the IDF itself decided to forego the LORA in favour of the EXTRA, the Indian Army too decided in favour of the EXTRA's design/performance parameters. Subsequently, along the lines of the business plan to co-develop the Barak-2/8 MR-SAM/LR-SAM, a similar military-industrial cooperation plan was put into effect for producing the EXTRA in India with 'Indian characteristics. So, just as the olive-green coloured ELM-2084 MMR has morphed into the low-visibility grey-coloured 'Arudhra MPR for the Indian Air Force, so will the EXTRA morph into the 'Prahaar' PGM in the next three years.

Air defence systems like the HQ-9 or Spada 2000 are optimised for intercepting combat aircraft, not hypersonic battlefield interdiction missiles like the Prahaar. Furthermore, the HQ-9 is used for protecting installations that are permanently static, such as air bases, bridges, railroad junctions, and warehouses. Such facilities will not be targetted by the Prahaar since, as the designation suggests, the Prahaar's targets will be strictly military and that too those that are deployed on the battlefield or are in their staging areas along a country's internal lines of communication (as in Pakistan's case), or external lines of communication (in China's case)

It will be the Prahaar that will be tested. And what is the Prahaar? It will be an India-assembled EXTRA missile. Dr V K Saraswat had alluded to this joint R & D project last February at Aero India.

To Mr Ra: Absolutely right. Especially the combination of a very low CEP missile and sensaor-fuzed and other smart munitions, which is what the Indian Army has been asking for since the mid-1990s. But the DRDO was able to only develop cluster munitions and AR/AP minelets and has still not been able to bring the Prithvi SS-150's CEP to less than 10- metres. That, as well as the SS-150's laborious launch preparation process, made it more of a liability rather than an asset. Now, in one stroke by collaborating with IAI and IMI, a product matching the Army's GSQR is at last in sight.

To [email protected]: Even the F/A-18E/F Super Hornet is omnirole. In fact, at the moment, the Super Hornet is more omnirole (especially due to the sheer variety of PGMs it is qualified to launch) than the Rafale.

To [email protected]: The Javelin ATGM contarct has reportedly been inked, while that for the LW-155 ultraweight heli-mobile howitzer and the heavylift helicopter (Boeing's CH-47F Chinook) are ready for approval by the Cabinet Committee for National Security.

To Prabin Roy: Initially, yes. But I was contacted yesterday by those involved in the programme and they explained to me the design links between the LORA and EXTRA and confirmed that the Prahaar will indeed be based on the EXTRA and be optimised for operations unique to the future projected battlespace of the subcontinent. Hope that reduces your intake of Panadols (LoL!).

To Nava: Well, the possibility does exist, since the Prahaar/EXTRA will be procured by India in appreciable numbers (about 700) for equipping three Missile Groups (attached to the two field artillery divisions of the Indian Army), plus war reserves. This volume of procurement is necessary since the Indian Army is still years away from procuring 155mm/52-cal howitzers (towed, tracked and wheeled), as a result of which indirect fire-support PGMs are required 'yesterday' so as not to burden the Indian Air Force with
avoidable requests for battlefield air interdiction/close air support. It now remains to be seen if the Indian Navy too decides to procure them in shipborne configuration for land-attack purposes.

For the Navy, missiles like the BrahMos are employed primarily for pinpoint strikes against hostile seaborne targets like DDGs and FFGs. The Navy's inventory of BrahMos therefore will be exclusively for anti-ship strikes. But when it comes to attacking shore-based naval air bases or naval armaments storage warehouses or naval coastal surveillance radar stations, missiles like the Prahaar will come in more handy. Consequently, such missiles will have to be carried by littoral combatant platforms like guided-missile corvettes such as the existing Tarantul-1s or Project 25 Kora-class vessels.

Prahaar will go into sewries production within two years. One cannot compare the CEP of Prahaar with those of MBRLs like Smerch-M and Pinaka since the Prahaar is to be used for near-pinpoint accuracy (CEP of less than 10 metres), meaning one warhead for one target, while the MBRLs are area saturation weapons. The Prithvi SS-150 could definitely drop a 1-tonne warhead, but not directly over the enemy, but more than 200 metres away as the missile lacks accuracy. Today we are in the era of knowledge-based warfare through effects-based operations. The V-2, Prithvi SS-150 and R-17E SCUDs were developed for nwaging estimates-based warfare. That's the difference.

To [email protected]: I believe I've just answered that above.

To Atul: I never said anything about CKD- or SKD-based manufacture. On the contrary, as I had specifically explained above to Nava, the development process/production cycle of the Prahaar will be similar to that of the Barak-2/8 MR-SAM/LR-SAM programme. Dr Saraswat himself went on record during Aero India 2011 last February in saying that there's no use re-inventing the wheel and the DRDO's new mantra was 'smart military-industrial cooperation', for long gone are the days when any country could develop and produce new-generation weapon systems through 100% indigenous efforts.

'dude' Premnath@12:04PM, since you've tried to take the trouble to apply logical reasoning and even then have failed miserably due to your oversimplification of the issues, let's clear the fog: The Prahaar will be test-fired for the very same reason the BrahMos has been test-fired since 2001 and we all know what portion of the BrahMos hails from India and what comes from Russia. Secondly, we are talking about developing and testing a complete weapon system, and not just a guided-missile or PGM. This includes the weapon system's integration with the field artillery command, control and communications systems, integration with the Army's existing target acquisition ISTR platforms/systems, and validating the TEL's design/performance parameters including those of its integral RLG/INS-based land navigation system (like the Sgima-30 from SAGEM). So, 'dude Premnath', do take the trouble to read and absorb what's already been commented about above before adopting a smartarse attitude and making false allegations about me or anyone else claiming the Prahaar to having being bought off-the-shelf.

 

[Immanuel]

A battallion should have have upto 5 launchers, each regiment should have 3 battalions, 15 launchers and 90 missiles with 4 sets of readily available reloads thats 360 missiles per regiment. 10 regiments should do the trick, 6 assigned to our holding corps and 3 assigned to our strike corps. 1 attached to the strategic command forces armed with WMD warheads thats 3600 missiles in total, plus another 1400 missiles in reserve, good amount to take on both china and pak.

 

[Rahul Singh]

Any body's take on Prahaar being the Isaraeli EXTRA as speculated by Prasun ...Few specifications match. Could this be any joint effort.

here are more details about EXTRA

http://www.sibat.mod.gov.il/NR/rdonlyres/34957239-5D65-4E10-A3D7-EE336AEFC619/0/sod_imi.pdf

Extra

Picture Gallery

http://www.imi-israel.com/vault/documents/extra.pdf

http://www.iai.co.il/16147-36448-en/Business_Areas_Military_Land_PrecisionStrike.aspx?btl=1

Prasun Sen Gupta is not typical DRDO hater but he has something against it. He just can not afford to give full credit to DRDO. Regardless, one can't deny that DRDO has drawn inspiration from EXTRA or its the army which asked DRDO to develop one like LORA. If Cold Start doctrine is to be believed and the claims that it begun quite sometime ago then it is no absurd to say they would have envisaged such requirements well in advance would have commenced work far ago. Also there are ample reasons to believe that DRDO is developing a family of weapon systems for same and one should not get surprised if DRDO discloses about something like HARPY and CFM in future.

This is true but instead of jumping to a cruise missile or Prithvi after using Pinaka or Smerch we can now use Prahar.

Yes LF, it will be. Prahar and Brahmos both will be employed depending upon nature and value of target. Nirbhay in most of the cases will be high to very high value target destroyer.

BTW would be interesting if we can put these missile into fighter for air to surface mode.

Saya, DRDO is developing ADM which is supposed to be 200-300 KM range air launched cruise missile, may be they share some in common. Besides, i doubt Prahar as a completely new weapon rather i see it more like scale-down and downgraded 'Shourya'.

 

[LETHALFORCE]

Prahaar Tactical Missile - a knol by Vijainder K Thakur

Prahaar Tactical Missile

Introduction
Scientific Adviser to the Defense Minister and Director General, Defence Research and Development Organisation, V.K. Saraswat told journalists about the missile on July 2 after inaugurating a new facility of Analogic Controls India Ltd. (ACIL) that manufactures electronic systems for mission critical defense and space applications. [ via Hindu ]

Dr. Saraswat said the missile would replace unguided rockets and "is going to be an excellent weapon" that would bridge the gap between Pinaka, a 40-km range multi-barrel rocket system, and the 350-km Prithvi-II, which had been converted into a strategic missile.

India also has 90-km range unguided rockets imported from Russia.

According to Dr. Sarsawat, the missile would be equipped with omni-directional warheads and could be used for hitting both tactical and strategic targets.

"With different types of warheads, you can have different types of missiles from the same launcher."

While it is not clear what Dr. Sarsawat meant by omni-directional warheads, he clearly said the missile could target tactical or strategic targets.

Initially, the missile would be given to the Army and later to other services.

Prahaar Test Flights
The first test flight of the Prahaar missile is scheduled for July 17, 2011.

Prahaar - An Analysis

Prahaar is a guided missile that is likely to be very accurate. DRDO has demonstrated a CEP of less than 10m with the 350 km range Prithvi II. It is likely, Prahaar accuracy will be even greater.

Though Dr. Sarsawat didn't specifically say so, he indicated Prahaar could be nuclear armed by referring to it as being capable of striking tactical or strategic targets.

Target information for the missile could be obtained using in service UAVS.

The Prahaar missile appears to be designed to neutralize the threat posed to India's Cold War Strategy from Pakistan's Nasr, a 60km range tactical nuclear missile.

By deploying the 150 km Prahaar missile along with its armor units, India could ensure that no Nasr batteries came within striking distance of the armor formations during a cold start response.

India's recent description of the 350 km range Prithvi-2 as a strategic missile had indicated a desire to distance itself from tactical nuclear weapons, in order not to lower the nuclear threshold in the subcontinent. However, Pakistan's development of the Nasr, which was first tested on April 19, 2011, may have left India with no option but to continue developing tactical nuclear missiles.

 

[LETHALFORCE]

IndicRace: Prahar a counter to the Hatf-9 tactical nuclear weapon?

Prahar a counter to the Hatf-9 tactical nuclear weapon?

I was wondering when the Indians would call the Paki bluff on their hatf-9 tactical nuclear weapon. It is not to difficult to see that the hatf-9 is nothing but a MBRLS and any nuclear warhead delivered from a rocket launched off a MBRL system needs to be manufactured with extreme precision and miniaturized to a great extent. At a time when many folks on the various defence forums on the internet question if Pakistan is able to miniaturize its warheads enough to place on a ballistic missile, rocket based nuclear warhead is too much to accept even for the most amateur (like me) of defence followers. Pakistan's nuclear blackmail was suitably checkmated with India's undeclared but well known cold start doctrine. Division after division of tanks and ICVs crossing into Pakistan and bisecting it was giving sleepless nights to the Pakistani generals. They needed another one of their famous ruses to play the good old game of appeasing local concerns by announcing the development of the hatf-9 "tactical nuclear weapon". So they got some cheap Russian reverse-engineered MBRLs from China, big deal! I was just waiting for the Indian army to announce its jhatka which would bitch-slap these Pakistani generals into djinn territory. And it happened. The PRAHAR missile has been announced. Developing a 150 KM missile is no big deal for Mr. Saraswat's men at the DRDO. At a time when India is deliberating developing the AGNI-VI truly ICBM and while many other options exist which can be used in the same role as the PRAHAR, announcing a new missile leaves many without doubt that it is to raise the blood pressure of the alcohol guzzling Paki generals!

Given that cruise missiles are very expensive and large scale tactical use of nuclear weapons, though the stuff of science fiction disaster movies, does not have a direct weapon mapped to it in the Indian arsenal. Yes I did mention that Indian army has other alternatives but those dont come cheap. For example, the Brahmos though having a minimum range limit given its speed costs a fortune apiece. The Nirbhay under development will again not come cheap. Prithvi, Agni all cost an arm or leg and figure more in strategic thinking terms. Hence the Prahar fills up the role that Brahmos and Nirbhay are too costly too fill.

The details of this new missile are sketchy and Shri Saraswat has said that the same launch vehicle could launch the PRAHAR missile with various warhead configurations which pretty much means this is again a MBRL based tactical weapon system. More to come on the Prahar weapon as I analyze it more and post my thoughts here.

 

[Rahul92]

What will be its exact range

 

[LETHALFORCE]

150km with a CEP better than Prithvi (which is used in our BMD program)