P-18/Next Generation Destroyer class (NGD)

[swapcv]

If a war turns hot won't ballistic missiles (can be non nuclear) be used upon military shipyards? In WW2 factories and shipyards were bombed. So likely those with long range BM will use them upon shipyards and weapons factories. Thanks to those BM, once the war begins there won't be mass production like there was in WW2. Everything is always in bombing range.
For the most part, everyone will only have what they start with.

Before even we get to that stage, the Chinese would be reeling under multiple Assymmetric threats in the form of Naval Blockades, Economic sanctions, internal strife and what not. While it does project itself as capable enough to handle them, in War, and due to the Fog of War often the ends never justify the means always. Any escalation on their part dooms them to a counterescalation against themselves and also traps them deeper in a general turmoil on all fronts. Unlike in the old days where the goals or the objectives were clear, today it isn't always possible to make a conventional war work. Plenty of examples to see from Vietnam, Afghanistan I and II.

 

[swapcv]

Considerations for the Type 83 destroyer – the Royal Navy’s future anti air warfare combatant | Navy Lookout

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[Illusive]

Btw, has anyone considered this design, I especially liked the layout of it's secondary armament, formidable for CIWS work however the lack of any autocannons or a system like the SEARAM is worrisome. For those unfamiliar with this, it's the preliminary render of the upcoming replacement to the Italian version of the Horizon class DDG. Will be contemporary of our P-18 class DDG

Looks like a good design, systems are well distributed, but the VLS can be a bit more equally divided.

 

[Aniruddha Mulay]

Looks like a good design, systems are well distributed, but the VLS can be a bit more equally divided.

True, there seems to be enough space to pack another 16 VLS cells at the front.

 

[Aniruddha Mulay]

Btw, has anyone considered this design, I especially liked the layout of it's secondary armament, formidable for CIWS work however the lack of any autocannons or a system like the SEARAM is worrisome. For those unfamiliar with this, it's the preliminary render of the upcoming replacement to the Italian version of the Horizon class DDG. Will be contemporary of our P-18 class DDG

This really seems to be a great design, however it can do with addition of 16 more VLS cells in the front section for a total of 96 VLS cells.
16 inclined launchers for anti ship missiles and 96 VLS cells for a mix of cruise missiles, ASROC, Surface to air missiles.

 

[Haldilal]

Meanwhile, China has commissioned three 055s and two this year.
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Ya'll Nibbiars wrong thread's.

 

[swapcv]

Meanwhile preliminary reports coming out of the yard where the Pyotr Velikiy's are being overhauled and modernized show that the class will boast 210 VLS Cells once they're put back into service.

 

[Haldilal]

Meanwhile preliminary reports coming out of the yard where the Pyotr Velikiy's are being overhauled and modernized show that the class will boast 210 VLS Cells once they're put back into service.

Ya'll Nibbiars the Pyotr Velikiy's Battle Cruiser would be based at the Sudan Naval Base.

 

[Gessler]

One has to wonder, the possible implications for engine choices for future IN surface combatants such as NGD and NGF....the Marine Trent is right up there with the best - if not THE best - even the USN Zumwalt-class DDG and Freedom-class LCS use the British MT30 instead of America's own General Electric LM2500 family.

 

[swapcv]

One has to wonder, the possible implications for engine choices for future IN surface combatants such as NGD and NGF....the Marine Trent is right up there with the best - if not THE best - even the USN Zumwalt-class DDG and Freedom-class LCS use the British MT30 instead of America's own General Electric LM2500 family.

My guess is that this is a strategic decision taken by our establishment in the hopes of having CODLAG and eventually Indigenous IEP for future surface combatants. Thus it's applications would vary from the next frigate class after the P-17A's to the P-18 DDG and perhaps eventually in INS Vishaal or our indigenous LHD Program.

 

[Lonewolf]

My guess is that this is a strategic decision taken by our establishment in the hopes of having CODLAG and eventually Indigenous IEP for future surface combatants. Thus it's applications would vary from the next frigate class after the P-17A's to the P-18 DDG and perhaps eventually in INS Vishaal or our indigenous LHD Program.

Iep ?? Cogag is much better than codlag , see nilgiri class

 

[Gessler]

Iep ??

Integrated Electric Propulsion. Where the drive is transmitted to the shaft via electric motor instead of a gearbox.

Cogag is much better than codlag , see nilgiri class

Two things -

1) Nilgiri class uses CODAG (LM2500 GTs and MAN DGs), not COGAG.

COGAG in used by our destroyers (like Kolkata & Vizag) and Talwar class.

2) What is 'much better' is subjective. It depends on what your requirements are. If you are operating a ship that requires maximum performance from the engines (either because doctrine dictates it or because the ship in question is too big to run on less powerful means like DG), then COGAG is great, but its also more expensive. That's why generally destroyers use COGAG.

On the other hand if your ship is either small(er) or does not require as much dash speed performance as destroyers do, then a CODAG is the way to go. The diesels take care of most routine propulsion needs and GTs come online when need for more performance arises. Lot of frigates and second-line warships follow this method to strike a balance between performance & cost.

 

[Lonewolf]

Integrated Electric Propulsion. Where the drive is transmitted to the shaft via electric motor instead of a gearbox.



Two things -

1) Nilgiri class uses CODAG (LM2500 GTs and MAN DGs), not COGAG.

COGAG in used by our destroyers (like Kolkata & Vizag) and Talwar class.

2) What is 'much better' is subjective. It depends on what your requirements are. If you are operating a ship that requires maximum performance from the engines (either because doctrine dictates it or because the ship in question is too big to run on less powerful means like DG), then COGAG is great, but its also more expensive. That's why generally destroyers use COGAG.

On the other hand if your ship is either small(er) or does not require as much dash speed performance as destroyers do, then a CODAG is the way to go. The diesels take care of most routine propulsion needs and GTs come online when need for more performance arises. Lot of frigates and second-line warships follow this method to strike a balance between performance & cost.

I know iep , but indigenous is something will take time , more than expected maybe

 

[swapcv]

I know iep , but indigenous is something will take time , more than expected maybe

Depends, if firms like BHEL and ELECON are given the necessary budget then we can speed up the Development of a desi IEP pretty quickly as much of the know how and know why is already there. We can do it in increments by first going CODLAG and then full IEP.

 

[Starlight]

We want Pyotr Velikiy class cruisers.

 

[FalconSlayers]

We want Pyotr Velikiy class cruisers.

We want 10 aircraft carriers also, as it costs nothing to dream .

 

[Gessler]

We want Pyotr Velikiy class cruisers.

Free mein bhi denge toh nahi leni chahiye.

Maintenance nightmare, outdated electronics, rust bucket, death trap.

 

[FalconSlayers]

Free mein bhi denge toh nahi leni chahiye.

Maintenance nightmare, outdated electronics, rust bucket, death trap.

Do we even need cruisers? It makes 0 sense to me to operate cruisers.

 

[FalconSlayers]

Do we even need cruisers? It makes 0 sense to me to operate cruisers.

A few destroyers for a similar price would be a million times better.

 

[THESIS THORON]

HOW WILL P18 LOOK LIKE

ZUMWALT CLASS??