North East Security Watch

[Cheran]

Manipur might go back to boiling point again after the viral photo of two students who were killed by kuki militants went viral. They have been missing since July but pictures have now emerged.

In Manipur Horror, Pics Show 2 Students Killed, 2 Armed Men Behind Them

The Manipur government today said it will ensure "swift and decisive" action after photos emerged on social media showing the bodies of two students who went missing in July.

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Yet to see any major outrage....

 

[tomthounaojam]

Yet to see any major outrage....

Cause the full might of the Indian state is being used in Imphal Valley hence you won't see a massive riot, but there are there. The internet which was suspended for 4 months and resumed two back is now suspended and more than 50+ students are injured, you won't see much as Lutyen media don't see any naked women so why give important.
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Btw, one RAF was caught on camera while controlling the crowd, Hamara jati nahi kuch bhi karo? Man this makes me sad, we are a long way to go and have a homogenous society.

 

[Coalmine]

 

[angryIndian]

Never it has happened in independent India's history that a state has been plunged into a civil war for almost 5 months. Ideally Manipur should have been put under presidents rule but god knows what the government is thinking and doing.

 

[Azaad]

Never it has happened in independent India's history that a state has been plunged into a civil war for almost 5 months. Ideally Manipur should have been put under presidents rule but god knows what the government is thinking and doing.

Guess you weren't around when Punjab Kashmir & W Bengal, before all of them erupted.

 

[angryIndian]

Guess you weren't around when Punjab Kashmir & W Bengal, before all of them erupted.

Punjab and Kashmir were insurgencies during a period when India was economically unstable and resource-constrained Not to mention they were largely sponsored by foreign actors.

The current situation in Manipur is an ethnic conflict between two groups that has been raging for almost 5 months with no end in sight. Rather than improving, things have gone from bad to worse, to such an extent that the whole state is now under AFSPA.

Because Manipur is a remote and tiny state, it has minimal impact on the Indian economy. Just imagine the same situation occurring in a larger mainland state; can you even fathom the consequences?

 

[Azaad]

Punjab and Kashmir were insurgencies during a period when India was economically unstable and resource-constrained Not to mention they were largely sponsored by foreign actors.

The current situation in Manipur is an ethnic conflict between two groups that has been raging for almost 5 months with no end in sight. Rather than improving, things have gone from bad to worse, to such an extent that the whole state is now under AFSPA.

Because Manipur is a remote and tiny state, it has minimal impact on the Indian economy. Just imagine the same situation occurring in a larger mainland state; can you even fathom the consequences?

Your linking up the economy to the insurgencies in Punjab & Kashmir makes one think that money related issues aka the poor state of the economy were the real reasons for it ? Punjab was literally the granary of India then & the most prosperous state commercially unlike now . The Sikhs then & now are among the most prosperous communities in India.

Practically every insurgency in modern or ancient times has to have had an external backer . Showe one insurgency which achieved everything they did on their own .

Are ethnic conflicts between groups new to you or new to Manipur or new to the NE ? Pls check on how the previous ethnic conflicts end but more importantly how long did they last .

 

[Suryavanshi]

It is a very basic assumption made when dealing with insurgency, radicalism and anarchy.
>They are poor
>They don't have opportunities
>They need infra and development

This kind of assertion is very prominent and pushed by western liberal world who live in more or less homogeneous and stable demographics.
Such statements tend to humanized the crowd and relives them of any accountability.
They are also pushed as a countermeasure to the right wing ideologies in case of India its Hindutwa.
Muh poor, muh no opportunity is one of the many factor but not the sole factor. Ignoring a major factor that is inate radicalism towards a section of the society is why people voted BJP in 2014.

"Oh no it's not like they have anything against Pindus, they are just poor that's all".

Kashmir to an extent had better HDI than much poorer counterparts of India but still they chose to revolt and that too revolt in a very bloody manner not seen in any other radical insurgency across India.

Kids in Gov funded Medical schools cheering for terrorists is not due to lack of opportunities, it is something else and I hope people have braincells enough to realize what.

Folks like @angryIndian have a tendency to put economy, money above everything else. He is not very found of Hindutva and that's okay but he does not recognize the fact that there are people who are not well wishers of Hindu as a collective and there is a certain degree of malign in them.

After everything you will find peope uttering "The Manipur problem is complex" but behind the complexity there is carnal instincts.

 

[tomthounaojam]

Mizoram Government is opposed to taking biometrics for illegal intruders saying it discriminates against them lol, to be honest, we just need to kick the state out of the Indian union and will know the asli maza, they will be overrun by Burmese in a few days and cry like a baby to be part of the Union.

 

[Eagle Eye]

Mizoram Government is opposed to taking biometrics for illegal intruders saying it discriminates against them

Christian missonaries ruling the state & Bjp giving in, too much allying with them.

 

[angryIndian]

Your linking up the economy to the insurgencies in Punjab & Kashmir makes one think that money related issues aka the poor state of the economy were the real reasons for it ? Punjab was literally the granary of India then & the most prosperous state commercially unlike now . The Sikhs then & now are among the most prosperous communities in India.

Practically every insurgency in modern or ancient times has to have had an external backer . Showe one insurgency which achieved everything they did on their own .

Are ethnic conflicts between groups new to you or new to Manipur or new to the NE ? Pls check on how the previous ethnic conflicts end but more importantly how long did they last .

I linked up economy with insurgency because India of 1980's was a very different country. The government really didn't have the money for anything. It was struggling to control insurgencies that were raging across North and North East.

The situation today is very different as the government is financially sound and is able to spend lavishly on national defense,Majority of NE states are peaceful, Khalistan insurgency is defunct and regular clashes in kashmir are rare.The Military and the Paramilitary are no longer ovrstreched like they used to be in the 80's and 90's. Yet the government is struggling to control a raging civil war between two communities in Manipur. The killings are going unabated.Neither is there a halt to the conflict or a ceasefire.

 

[Sanglamorre]

I linked up economy with insurgency because India of 1980's was a very different country. The government really didn't have the money for anything. It was struggling to control insurgencies that were raging across North and North East.

The situation today is very different as the government is financially sound and is able to spend lavishly on national defense,Majority of NE states are peaceful, Khalistan insurgency is defunct and regular clashes in kashmir are rare.The Military and the Paramilitary are no longer ovrstreched like they used to be in the 80's and 90's. Yet the government is struggling to control a raging civil war between two communities in Manipur. The killings are going unabated.Neither is there a halt to the conflict or a ceasefire.

The problem is very simple. A sort of homonegenous has been achieved throughout India of thought and aspirations. Even Kashmir to a lot extent.

But if you keep throwing money at a region and not tax most of the populace there, you're only building people who take no part in nation building, nor have thoughts of belonging. Most North East Christians and some tribals live in their own world where they are the king as us are their subjects providing them with tribute.

Now govt doesn't know how to handle a region that has become isolated in thought

 

[Azaad]

I linked up economy with insurgency because India of 1980's was a very different country. The government really didn't have the money for anything. It was struggling to control insurgencies that were raging across North and North East.

The situation today is very different as the government is financially sound and is able to spend lavishly on national defense,Majority of NE states are peaceful, Khalistan insurgency is defunct and regular clashes in kashmir are rare.The Military and the Paramilitary are no longer ovrstreched like they used to be in the 80's and 90's. Yet the government is struggling to control a raging civil war between two communities in Manipur. The killings are going unabated.Neither is there a halt to the conflict or a ceasefire.

I don't think you've the faintest idea what you're talking about & the way I see it , explaining anything doesn't make any difference as you keep going on with the same point. I just read your profile. It says you're from Kolkata. All the best to you . Lol .

 

[tomthounaojam]

Christian missonaries ruling the state & Bjp giving in, too much allying with them.

I used to think missionaries would do the betterment of NE but see, none of the Christian majority states from NE support Manipur, cause the majority which the Kuki is fighting is Hindu. BJP will lose the last hindu frontier of India if it thinks of only winning seats, already the people's hate for BJP is running very high and Congress is taking full advantage of the mayhem.

 

[tomthounaojam]

The problem is very simple. A sort of homonegenous has been achieved throughout India of thought and aspirations. Even Kashmir to a lot extent.

But if you keep throwing money at a region and not tax most of the populace there, you're only building people who take no part in nation building, nor have thoughts of belonging. Most North East Christians and some tribals live in their own world where they are the king as us are their subjects providing them with tribute.

Now govt doesn't know how to handle a region that has become isolated in thought

Having a homogenous society in India would be really difficult as we are a diverse nation, that being said.
One of the major problems is the concept of reservation, this is a ticking time bomb be it in north East or rest of the part of India. Yes, with tribal custom it becomes even more complex.
The government needs to include more folks from the NE itself to run the states and how the center approaches it, someone from the extreme south will have no idea how the NE states are, even for me each state is like a mini country with so many sub-tribes within it. Christians have achieved what others can't achieve and their base is by putting their value on young kids through school, and parents like missionary schools compared to others so if you are brainwashed from a tender age you are bound to have allegiance to the faith which you are used to it from childhood, India government should promote indigenous religion pre Christian in a big way but that will backfire cause that will think BJP is trying to suppress their main religion.
Meitei on the other hand is general, who pay taxes like regular Indians know the struggle and shine where it can, am not saying cause I belong from that category, cause I have seen the struggle as I have to compete with rest of you guys cause I don't have perk like ST SC

 

[Eagle Eye]

@tomthounaojam Bjp leaders/offices are repeateadly attacked. Bjp lost Meiteis trust. By playing safe Bjp making sure for atleast max 10-15yrs they will never come to power in the state.

 

[Azaad]

I used to think missionaries would do the betterment of NE but see, none of the Christian majority states from NE support Manipur, cause the majority which the Kuki is fighting is Hindu. BJP will lose the last hindu frontier of India if it thinks of only winning seats, already the people's hate for BJP is running very high and Congress is taking full advantage of the mayhem.

Unfortunately when have the Meitei ever seen themselves as being part of the mainstream Hindu body as it were in spite of not having faced any discrimination whatsoever . I know of Meiteis who call us Hindus - "you Indians ." I mean that's how deeply the thought of being the other is ingrained in the Meiteis.

Please note I've not even brought up the fact that the the Meiteis after the Nagas & Mizos were the third ethnic group to pick up arms against the Indian state to establish the independent state of Kangliepak.

The Kukis played smart & did so much later plus they knew whom to cultivate & which side of the bread is buttered something by the looks of it the Meiteis still haven't figured out nor seem interested in figuring it out .

 

[tomthounaojam]

@tomthounaojam Bjp leaders/offices are repeateadly attacked. Bjp lost Meiteis trust. By playing safe Bjp making sure for atleast max 10-15yrs they will never come to power in the state.

They still can redeem it, it is just that you need to swallow some pride and mend what is wrong, but most who are in power their major concern is to stay in power cause they know next election their chances are very slim, and might get a ticket to someone else. so let see

 

[tomthounaojam]

Unfortunately when have the Meitei seen themselves as being part of the mainstream Hindu body in spite of not having faced any discrimination whatsoever . I know of Meiteis who call us - "you Indians ." I mean that's how deeply the thought of being the other is ingrained in the Meiteis.

Please note I've not even brought up the fact that the the Meiteis after the Nagas & Mizos were the third ethnic group to pick up arms against the Indian state to establish the independent state of Kangliepak. The Kukis played smart & did so much later plus they knew whom to cultivate & which side of the bread is buttered something by the looks of it the Meiteis still haven't figured out nor seem interested in figuring it out .

There will be always this xenophobia cause one is born differently that is one of the realities but that also give things to mend as well. Modi, tenure was really coming of age but this incident has sent back a few years of hard work away, insurgency was coming really down and people started to see around but with this incident and mistrust for the government's failure people were bound to have the old feeling bounce back.
Yes, there is armed insurgency going around and you have to win one narrative to win heart and mind, it is a pendulum.

 

[tomthounaojam]

NIA has arrested Seiminlun Gangte from Churachandpur in a case related to a transnational conspiracy by Myanmar and Bangladesh based leadership of terror outfits to wage war against the Govt. of India by exploiting the current ethnic unrest in the State of Manipur. The case was registered suo moto by the NIA on 19.07.2023 at New Delhi. Investigation of RC 24/2023/NIA/DLI by NIA revealed that , Myanmar and Bangladesh based militant groups have entered into a conspiracy with a section of militant leaders in India to indulge in incidents of violence with an intention to drive a wedge between different ethnic groups and to wage war against the Government of India. And for this purpose, the aforementioned leadership have been providing funds to procure arms, ammunition and other types of terrorist hardware which are being sourced both, from across the border, as well as from other terrorist outfits active in North Eastern States of India to stoke the current ethnic strife in Manipur. The said accused has been brought to New Delhi after his arrest and will be produced before the Jurisdictional Court.