Nag anti-tank Missile

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Nope, only you, who thinks that missiles are designed to be fitted with only one warhead type and things like Blast Fragmentation Sleeve warhead do not exist.
Just leave that irrationalty for Indian context unless you are meaning to use NAG like hellfire from the drones and UAVs to hit at Taliban or else why would rockets exist?

It is only who who wants to destroy a tank by HE Fragmentation blast and air burst !!!. Refresh your basics or there is no use being a DODO ?
 

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Just leave that irrationalty for Indian context unless you are meaning to use NAG like hellfire from the drones and UAVs to hit at Taliban or else why would rockets exist?

It is only who who wants to destroy a tank by HE Fragmentation blast and air burst !!!. Refresh your basics or there is no use being a DODO ?
Try reading the history of other comparable system before you shoot off your mouth. Hellfire originally came with an option of switching warheads before mission to tandem shaped charge and blast fragmentation warhead, the latest versions come with IBFS warhead which can function as both. A similar type of warhead is used on PARS-3/Trigat and Spike-ER (the 35 kg version, something which Indian forces wish Nag would be, the 35 kg weight demand is not a coincidence, the user knows it has been done and they want the same from developer Not comparable to industry standard, but comparable to best in the industry).
 

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Nope, only you, who thinks that missiles are designed to be fitted with only one warhead type and things like Blast Fragmentation Sleeve warhead do not exist.
This is the problem of DODOs. They can not achieve GSQR and start day dreaming for the moon. What is basic requirement for Nag to be fired from Namica is a HEAT missile and not a blast fragmentation warhead for which numerous weapon system exist on ground.

Do not teach a wrong and illogical absurdity. Helina is not artillery fire. Blast fragmentation NAG can be of some use if fired from a ship or aerial platform.

Indian Army has asked DODOs to produce a system as per GSQR and not the US Navy.
 
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nobody sells or give you technology, even the russian have withheld tech after promising to provide it
Then what are DODOs meant for ?
 

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bhadra, keep in mind army has once cancelled a DRDO project which met all GSQR requirement and the missile was man-portable, they then demanded a mobile launched version. this is not how you support development of indigenous weapons systems.
 

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bhadra, keep in mind army has once cancelled a DRDO project which met all GSQR requirement and the missile was man-portable, they then demanded a mobile launched version. this is not how you support development of indigenous weapons systems.
But where is man portable version? DRDO worked on it for 30 years ! Which vehicle launched version of A/tk missile in the world is 40 kg? Even smerch is not that weight which goes over 40+ km?
You must understand users and soldiers problems who has to use the system on ground.

And who says IA does not any more require man portable system? But that appears moon for you guys.
 

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Then what are DODOs meant for ?
bhadra you are confused. this is what you posted previously.
>>Sorry, they transfers the source of import of foreign mal in their so called invention.

The T-90 example was to prove your contention wrong. DRDO doesn't claim foreign tech as their R&D, and neither do foreign nation transfer tech.

Now think before blindly attacking drdo and stop that silly name calling as pointed out earlier it looks childish. come up with something meaningful so we can discuss and enlighten each other.
 

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bhadra you are confused. this is what you posted previously.
>>Sorry, they transfers the source of import of foreign mal in their so called invention.

The T-90 example was to prove your contention wrong. DRDO doesn't claim foreign tech as their R&D, and neither do foreign nation transfer tech.

Now think before blindly attacking drdo and stop that silly name calling as pointed out earlier it looks childish. come up with something meaningful so we can discuss and enlighten each other.
Look my friend,
DRDO is just a dream seller. Many officers and soldiers of the Indian Armed Forces grow up and live in those dreams and after about 30 years of service go home cursing those dreams.
DRDO is such bad organisation eating up 12 percent of Indian Defence budget for selling dreams and justifying an anti tank missile to be requiring to be fragmentation missile and hense 40 kg in weight.

Was Hellfire even there when DRDO started the project on NAG? Who has ever asked that NAG should be like Hellfire?
 

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The 2.5km - 3km range of Nag is only in certain unfavorable conditions although it can easily target a tank at a range of 4km - 4.5km majority of the time and i dont think we have anything comparable to Nag as of now.
 

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Look my friend,
DRDO is just a dream seller. Many officers and soldiers of the Indian Armed Forces grow up and live in those dreams and after about 30 years of service go home cursing those dreams.
DRDO is such bad organisation eating up 12 percent of Indian Defence budget for selling dreams and justifying an anti tank missile to be requiring to be fragmentation missile and hense 40 kg in weight.

Was Hellfire even there when DRDO started the project on NAG? Who has ever asked that NAG should be like Hellfire?
Bhadra, I see you have no intention of having a discussion based on facts. Your intention is to to defame DRDO using hyperbole and baseless allegations. No use talking sense to you.
 

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if successfully tested army will demand yet another silly modification before induction :mad:

drdo needs a weapons system that can cure the army procurement dept of the videshi maal sabse badiya complex
Army is not at fault here NAMICA till now didn't even have a Panaraomic sight on it then how do you expect Army to induct such a platform ??? And plz Army has asked for changes on NAMICA not on NAG.

But any case this this whole Hunter Kill thing sounds nice.
 

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Army is not at fault here NAMICA till now didn't even have a Panaraomic sight on it then how do you expect Army to induct such a platform ??? And plz Army has asked for changes on NAMICA not on NAG.

But any case this this whole Hunter Kill thing sounds nice.
There is no mention of Panoramic sight in GSQR for Nag carrier..

Such Systems dont have Hunter-killer capability as they operate beyond 3kms away in dug in mode..
 

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Army is not at fault here NAMICA till now didn't even have a Panaraomic sight on it then how do you expect Army to induct such a platform ??? And plz Army has asked for changes on NAMICA not on NAG.

But any case this this whole Hunter Kill thing sounds nice.
It's army fault, they keep changing their requirements from time to time.
The induction of the land-based 'top attack and fire and forget' Nag missiles was supposed to have been done in 2011 but it was delayed with the Army seeking modifications in NAMICA.
http://www.defencenow.com/news/772/army-to-carry-out-nag-namica-trials.html

They will again call for a modification which will lead to a time consuming re-designing of the weapon system.
 

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Some Points:

1. There are air-bust Shaped Charge but never on ATGM..

2. NAG is heavy class even at 30-35kg, Tow is a medium class and Javelin at lighter class..

3. NAG is mainly engage Tanks but if needed it cab engage Pillboxes, Bunkers and infantry fortification with better results coz of bigger charges..

4. NAG can detect tanks size targets beyond 4-5kms and can engage at 4000m, From Air the detection range is 12kms and engagement range is 8kms..



All these are in articles provided..



Bhadra, I see you have no intention of having a discussion based on facts. Your intention is to to defame DRDO using hyperbole and baseless allegations. No use talking sense to you.
 

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Some Points:

1. There are air-bust Shaped Charge but never on ATGM..

2. NAG is heavy class even at 30-35kg, Tow is a medium class and Javelin at lighter class..

3. NAG is mainly engage Tanks but if needed it cab engage Pillboxes, Bunkers and infantry fortification with better results coz of bigger charges..

4. NAG can detect tanks size targets beyond 4-5kms and can engage at 4000m, From Air the detection range is 12kms and engagement range is 8kms..



All these are in articles provided..
When the seeker is Lock on Before Fire all claims of seeking targets after being fired in air are false.

Can one have an example of shape charge which is expected to burst in the air and to what avail? Once explosive is shaped charged, it would not defy logic of basic physics !! It would form a jet and not burst !!
 
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When the seeker is Lock on Before Fire all claims of seeking targets after being fired in air are false.
Give a like to support your claim..

Can one have an example of shape charge which is expected to burst in the air and to what avail? Once explosive is shaped charged, it would not defy logic of basic physics !! It would form a jet and not burst !!
Without a burst how it can form a Jet ??

The shaped charge burst in mid air right before the target and form efp explosively formed projectile which kill the tank from above..

 

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nag use lot of energy as it goes up for top attack, it can also front attack. I was thinking what if it can go in straight line, it will easily go beyond 4km.
 

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here is the pic where nag use 4 motors in addition to main rocket motor.





this shows how it keeps track of target while going on top attack mode.



its trajectory is just like javelin missile



helina trajectory



pic i took in 2008 shows tandem warhead

 

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Seeker:

Most infrared guided missiles have their seekers mounted on a gimbal. This allows the sensor to be pointed at the target when the missile is not. This is important for two main reasons. One is that before and during launch, the missile cannot always be pointed at the target. Rather, the pilot or operator points the seeker at the target using radar, a helmet-mounted sight, an optical sight or possibly by pointing the nose of the aircraft or missile launcher directly at the target. Once the seeker sees and recognises the target, it indicates this to the operator who then typically "uncages" the seeker (which is allowed to follow the target). After this point the seeker remains locked on the target, even if the aircraft or launching platform moves. When the weapon is launched, it may not be able to control the direction it points until the motor fires and it reaches a high enough speed for its fins to control its direction of travel. Until then, the gimballed seeker needs to be able to track the target independently.

Finally, even while it is under positive control and on its way to intercept the target, it probably will not be pointing directly at it; unless the target is moving directly toward or away from the launching platform, the shortest path to intercept the target will not be the path taken while pointing straight at it, since it is moving laterally with respect to the missile's view. The original heat-seeking missiles would simply point towards the target and chase it; this was inefficient. Newer missiles are smarter and use the gimballed seeker head combined with what is known as proportional guidance in order to avoid oscillation and to fly an efficient intercept path.
so how does it seeks a target at 4.5 km without seeing it

Nag missile, which has a range of four km, would be tested for its full range, two km and a minimum of 500 metres. This time DRDO scientists would demonstrate the lock-on-before launch capability of the missile for a four-km range with an upgraded imaging infrared seeker.

In lock-on-before-launch mode, the missile keeps acquiring the image of the target every 30 milliseconds right from the launch till the impact on target.

The missile would be fired to destroy both moving and stationary targets during the trials.

The shorter the range, the more difficult it would be for the missile to attack a moving target.

Mr. Chander said there was no other anti-tank missile in the world with a lock-on-before launch system for a four-km range.

The U.S. Javelin and the Israeli Spike had lock-on-before launch systems but the range was only 2.5 km.

He said it was also being planned to have the lock-on-before-launch capability for a seven-km range of the missile.

In recent field trials, the lock-on-after-launch capability of the Helina missile (airborne version of Nag) was proved.

There was some problem with the actuators and these were being rectified, Mr. Chander said.
The Hindu : States / Andhra Pradesh : Another round of Nag trials in June-July
 

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