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They are delaying the entire induction over lack of a commanders panoramic sight... ABSURD!
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There are other issues as well. IA believes that both BEL and L&T can provide better platforms than Soviet era BMP-2s, hence the competition. It will also keep DRDO on it's toes.
Their requirement is huge (7000 missiles and 200 NAMICA) so why will they induct an inferior platform in such a large number.
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What chassis are they testing? There didn't seem to be anything wrong with the BMP-2.
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inducting a brand new weapons system like nag on 30 year old carrier like bmp 2 is stupid
India needs a light fast stealthy at platform like Singapore axe
or go the chrizantema path with big indoor ammo supply (bmp 3 chassis)
but for that you need a better missile lighter with more range to out shot enemy tanks 8-10 km
at the moment the project seems highly unpractical :
a big heavy expensive system that needs to get into tank fire range to destroy tanks
India needs a light fast stealthy at platform like Singapore axe
or go the chrizantema path with big indoor ammo supply (bmp 3 chassis)
but for that you need a better missile lighter with more range to out shot enemy tanks 8-10 km
at the moment the project seems highly unpractical :
a big heavy expensive system that needs to get into tank fire range to destroy tanks
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The missile range is said to be 4km, but tests only showed it to 2.6km. That would make it an oversized MANPAT.
The reason for using BMP-2 could be that the project was envisioned quite some time ago, so BMP-2 would have been the natural choice. But times have changed, so IA is rightfully demanding a better platform.inducting a brand new weapons system like nag on 30 year old carrier like bmp 2 is stupid
India needs a light fast stealthy at platform like Singapore axe
or go the chrizantema path with big indoor ammo supply (bmp 3 chassis)
but for that you need a better missile lighter with more range to out shot enemy tanks 8-10 km
at the moment the project seems highly unpractical :
a big heavy expensive system that needs to get into tank fire range to destroy tanks
Only a handful of ATGM's provide a top attack capability and with less than $200,000 per system which go down further as full scale production starts, I think it is cheaper than dirt. Neither of India's enemy has this capability, so it is a big advantage for IA.
Range is not an issue or else IA wouldn't have cleared it for induction. Hopefully, we will see increased range variants in future.
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Nag in crucial stage of testing
HYDERABAD, APRIL 10:
NAMICA, the Nag missile carrier built for the Indian Army to destroy enemy battle tanks, will soon undergo crucial tests in the toughest of war theatres — the deserts of Rajasthan .
Two totally modified versions with advance hit facilities, built by the private sector L&T and public sector BEL, will be put through trials in June-July, according to Mr Avinash Chander, Chief Controller (Missiles & Strategic Systems), Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO).
The tests would be done with the Nag guided missile for different ranges. The objective is to get it cleared for initial induction into the Army. The trials would be for 2 and 4 km and minimum of 500 metres range according to the needs of the user, he told Business Line.
Nag is a third generation, anti-battle tank, fire and forget missile. The modified version of the four-km range for example, is being equipped with a 'lock on before launch' system. There is no competitor globally for this range, with this capability at present. The US missile in the similar class can destroy targets upto 2.5 kms.
The 'lock on before launch' gives a tactical advantage. The missile acquires the image of the target before launch and keeps updating as it seeks and hits the target with precision. The DRDO has also developed the imaging infrared seeker technology. The private sector is integrating this capability into the higher range nag missiles as well.
HELINA MISSILE
The DRDO is scheduled to equip its Advanced Light Helicopter Dhruv with the Helina — the air-to-surface, anti-tank missile. The helicopter launched missile has a 7 km lock on system after launch. However, some tests done during March exposed problems in the actuation systems. We are rectifying them. The lock on capability has been established for the full distance, Mr Avinash Chander said.
Helina is an aerial version of the Nag missile.
for Picture - Go through the below link
Business Line : Industry & Economy News : Nag in crucial stage of testing
There is no competitor globally for this range, with this capability at present. The US missile in the similar class can destroy targets upto 2.5 kms
HYDERABAD, APRIL 10:
NAMICA, the Nag missile carrier built for the Indian Army to destroy enemy battle tanks, will soon undergo crucial tests in the toughest of war theatres — the deserts of Rajasthan .
Two totally modified versions with advance hit facilities, built by the private sector L&T and public sector BEL, will be put through trials in June-July, according to Mr Avinash Chander, Chief Controller (Missiles & Strategic Systems), Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO).
The tests would be done with the Nag guided missile for different ranges. The objective is to get it cleared for initial induction into the Army. The trials would be for 2 and 4 km and minimum of 500 metres range according to the needs of the user, he told Business Line.
Nag is a third generation, anti-battle tank, fire and forget missile. The modified version of the four-km range for example, is being equipped with a 'lock on before launch' system. There is no competitor globally for this range, with this capability at present. The US missile in the similar class can destroy targets upto 2.5 kms.
The 'lock on before launch' gives a tactical advantage. The missile acquires the image of the target before launch and keeps updating as it seeks and hits the target with precision. The DRDO has also developed the imaging infrared seeker technology. The private sector is integrating this capability into the higher range nag missiles as well.
HELINA MISSILE
The DRDO is scheduled to equip its Advanced Light Helicopter Dhruv with the Helina — the air-to-surface, anti-tank missile. The helicopter launched missile has a 7 km lock on system after launch. However, some tests done during March exposed problems in the actuation systems. We are rectifying them. The lock on capability has been established for the full distance, Mr Avinash Chander said.
Helina is an aerial version of the Nag missile.
for Picture - Go through the below link
Business Line : Industry & Economy News : Nag in crucial stage of testing
There is no competitor globally for this range, with this capability at present. The US missile in the similar class can destroy targets upto 2.5 kms
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may this one be the last testing of this missile
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After 08 trials and completion of specified tests mandated by IA, IA asked DRDO to prove NAG's minimum engagement range which was set at 500m. For that NAG went through fresh rounds of trials in 09 and user trial in 10 and tests were declared successful. But again, IA was not satisfied now it asked for panoramic sight on NAMICA. Only god know what next?
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Hmm...frankly the arm-chair general in me is disappointed. They had a good chance & really could have done a better job @ this.Looking @ the above pic I think the original NAMICA was better (more ready to fire missiles) although I don';t have specs for this one.. just slap the Mast mounted optronic sight on it. Also, is this the final configuration or something that they are simply using to test the various sub-systems like optronics/ missile launcher etc..
Let's see what BEL comes up with. Thx for the picture though.
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From - DRDL waiting for new system to make Nag a macho | DRDO | DRDL | The New Indian Express
It looks like -
Earlier the Army wanted eight missiles on the launcher and four in the stowage. Now, this has been reduced to six ready-to-fire missiles on the launcher only," sources said. + The carrier will offer a better launcher drive mechanism, reduced weight, smooth mobility and amphibious capabilities.
It looks like -
Earlier the Army wanted eight missiles on the launcher and four in the stowage. Now, this has been reduced to six ready-to-fire missiles on the launcher only," sources said. + The carrier will offer a better launcher drive mechanism, reduced weight, smooth mobility and amphibious capabilities.
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^^^^ Agreed. BMP should keep the logistics simple on the same note I would like to see commonality with the proposed FICV 
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Army don't like BMP with Heavy payloads..
It sinks in sand..
It sinks in sand..
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Indian Army and DRDO co-operate to boost tank-killer Nag missile
The defence ministry's (MoD's) ambitious project to develop a world-class tank-killer missile has run into unanticipated trouble. But, encouragingly, instead of the customary blame game between the Army and the development agency—the Defence Reserach & Development Organisation (DRDO)—there is cooperation and a joint effort to overcome the problem.
The problem with the DRDO's anti-tank guided missile (ATGM), christened the Nag (Hindi for cobra), is its range. For most of the day and night, the Nag unerringly strikes its targets out to four kilometres, the range that the army demands. But in extreme heat, especially in summer afternoons in the desert, the missile cannot pick up targets beyond 2.5 kilometres. Once the temperature cools, the Nag's seeker differentiates again between the target and surrounding objects (or ground clutter).
Dr Avinash Chander, the DRDO's missile chief, told Business Standard, "Even in the worst conditions, the Nag is 100 per cent accurate out to 2.5 kilometres. Except when the temperature is really high, it is also accurate at four kilometres. By the year-end, we will develop a seeker with higher resolution, which will be accurate at four kilometres in any conditions."
The DRDO's unusual frankness in admitting a problem has been matched by the Army's unusual helpfulness in working through it. The Army has decided to buy 13 Nag carriers (NAMICA, being developed by BEL and L&T), and 443 Nag missiles in the current state. These will be deployed in areas like Punjab, where close-set villages, groves and electricity transmission cables seldom permit visibility beyond 2.5 kilometres. When the DRDO demonstrates improved performance with a better seeker, a larger order will follow.
"This is a top-class missile in every respect except for this problem. While we must have a range of four kilometres for the open desert, the reduced 2.5 kilometre range is acceptable for developed terrain like the Punjab. We will buy 13 Nag carriers and use these to familiarise ourselves with the system. And, in Phase II, we will order the four kilometre missile in bulk quantities," says a top general who decides such contracts.
For the Army, the delay is a disappointment. Indian infantry formations badly need a potent ATGM to handle Pakistani tank forces that now bristle with capable Ukrainian T-80 and Chinese T-85 tanks. As far back as 2010-11, the Army had budgeted Rs 335 crore for the first batch of Nag missiles.
The DRDO, for whom this is a prestigious project, says that the Hyderabad-based laboratory, Research Centre Imarat (RCI), will soon develop a seeker that can work through the hottest desert temperatures. This will feature an improved Focal Plane Array (FPA), a detector on the missile tip that picks up the target's infrared signal. Since the DRDO's own FPA programme is still at an early stage, the Nag's improved FPA will be supplied by French company, Sofradir. RCI will integrate Sofradir's FPA into an improved Nag seeker.
A third generation ATGM like the Nag is amongst the most complex land systems. Here's how it works. The Nag missile pilots scan the battlefield for enemy tanks with thermal imaging telescopes, which picks up targets by day or night with equal facility. Having picking up an enemy tank, the Nag pilot locks the seeker onto it. Immediately, a digital snapshot of the target is taken, which serves as a reference image. As the Nag streaks towards the target, at 230 metres per second, the seeker takes repeated snapshots of the target; each one is compared with the previous image. The deviations are translated into corrections to the Nag's control fins, which autonomously steer the missile onto the target. This is termed a "fire-and-forget" missile, relieving the pilot of the need to expose himself to enemy fire after launching the missile.
The world has just a handful of "fire-and-forget" missiles, such as the FGM-148 Javelin, built by American companies, Lockheed Martin and Raytheon; and the Spike, built by Israel's Rafael Advanced Defense Systems. The Javelin and the Spike are lighter, "man-portable" missiles that can be carried by an infantry soldier; the Nag is a heavier and more powerful missile that operates from vehicles and helicopters.
But the Nag's weight is turning out to be a problem. The Army is unhappy that the missile has weighed in at 40 kilos, instead of the 30-35 kilos that the Army had specified. This, senior officers say, makes reloading difficult. The DRDO has been asked to make it lighter.
The DRDO, however, argues that weight should not be an issue since it the Nag is carried on, and fired from, a vehicle, the NAMICA. Says Avinash Chander, "I don't see why an extra five kg should be an issue. If the Nag were a man-portable, shoulder-fired missile, weight would be crucial.
But we will bring the weight down gradually. The Mark II Nag will be about 35 kilos, and we will continue to reduce weight.
Acceptance of the Nag missile into service will conclude the DRDO's long-delayed, but eventually successful, Integrated Guided Missile Development Programme (IGMDP).
Initiated in 1983 by then DRDO boss, Dr APJ Abdul Kalam, the IGMDP set out to develop five missiles: the Agni and Prithvi ballistic missiles; the Akash and Trishul anti-aircraft missiles; and the Nag ATGM. Only the Trishul will have failed to enter frontline military service.
:why:
The defence ministry's (MoD's) ambitious project to develop a world-class tank-killer missile has run into unanticipated trouble. But, encouragingly, instead of the customary blame game between the Army and the development agency—the Defence Reserach & Development Organisation (DRDO)—there is cooperation and a joint effort to overcome the problem.
The problem with the DRDO's anti-tank guided missile (ATGM), christened the Nag (Hindi for cobra), is its range. For most of the day and night, the Nag unerringly strikes its targets out to four kilometres, the range that the army demands. But in extreme heat, especially in summer afternoons in the desert, the missile cannot pick up targets beyond 2.5 kilometres. Once the temperature cools, the Nag's seeker differentiates again between the target and surrounding objects (or ground clutter).
Dr Avinash Chander, the DRDO's missile chief, told Business Standard, "Even in the worst conditions, the Nag is 100 per cent accurate out to 2.5 kilometres. Except when the temperature is really high, it is also accurate at four kilometres. By the year-end, we will develop a seeker with higher resolution, which will be accurate at four kilometres in any conditions."
The DRDO's unusual frankness in admitting a problem has been matched by the Army's unusual helpfulness in working through it. The Army has decided to buy 13 Nag carriers (NAMICA, being developed by BEL and L&T), and 443 Nag missiles in the current state. These will be deployed in areas like Punjab, where close-set villages, groves and electricity transmission cables seldom permit visibility beyond 2.5 kilometres. When the DRDO demonstrates improved performance with a better seeker, a larger order will follow.
"This is a top-class missile in every respect except for this problem. While we must have a range of four kilometres for the open desert, the reduced 2.5 kilometre range is acceptable for developed terrain like the Punjab. We will buy 13 Nag carriers and use these to familiarise ourselves with the system. And, in Phase II, we will order the four kilometre missile in bulk quantities," says a top general who decides such contracts.
For the Army, the delay is a disappointment. Indian infantry formations badly need a potent ATGM to handle Pakistani tank forces that now bristle with capable Ukrainian T-80 and Chinese T-85 tanks. As far back as 2010-11, the Army had budgeted Rs 335 crore for the first batch of Nag missiles.
The DRDO, for whom this is a prestigious project, says that the Hyderabad-based laboratory, Research Centre Imarat (RCI), will soon develop a seeker that can work through the hottest desert temperatures. This will feature an improved Focal Plane Array (FPA), a detector on the missile tip that picks up the target's infrared signal. Since the DRDO's own FPA programme is still at an early stage, the Nag's improved FPA will be supplied by French company, Sofradir. RCI will integrate Sofradir's FPA into an improved Nag seeker.
A third generation ATGM like the Nag is amongst the most complex land systems. Here's how it works. The Nag missile pilots scan the battlefield for enemy tanks with thermal imaging telescopes, which picks up targets by day or night with equal facility. Having picking up an enemy tank, the Nag pilot locks the seeker onto it. Immediately, a digital snapshot of the target is taken, which serves as a reference image. As the Nag streaks towards the target, at 230 metres per second, the seeker takes repeated snapshots of the target; each one is compared with the previous image. The deviations are translated into corrections to the Nag's control fins, which autonomously steer the missile onto the target. This is termed a "fire-and-forget" missile, relieving the pilot of the need to expose himself to enemy fire after launching the missile.
The world has just a handful of "fire-and-forget" missiles, such as the FGM-148 Javelin, built by American companies, Lockheed Martin and Raytheon; and the Spike, built by Israel's Rafael Advanced Defense Systems. The Javelin and the Spike are lighter, "man-portable" missiles that can be carried by an infantry soldier; the Nag is a heavier and more powerful missile that operates from vehicles and helicopters.
But the Nag's weight is turning out to be a problem. The Army is unhappy that the missile has weighed in at 40 kilos, instead of the 30-35 kilos that the Army had specified. This, senior officers say, makes reloading difficult. The DRDO has been asked to make it lighter.
The DRDO, however, argues that weight should not be an issue since it the Nag is carried on, and fired from, a vehicle, the NAMICA. Says Avinash Chander, "I don't see why an extra five kg should be an issue. If the Nag were a man-portable, shoulder-fired missile, weight would be crucial.
But we will bring the weight down gradually. The Mark II Nag will be about 35 kilos, and we will continue to reduce weight.
Acceptance of the Nag missile into service will conclude the DRDO's long-delayed, but eventually successful, Integrated Guided Missile Development Programme (IGMDP).
Initiated in 1983 by then DRDO boss, Dr APJ Abdul Kalam, the IGMDP set out to develop five missiles: the Agni and Prithvi ballistic missiles; the Akash and Trishul anti-aircraft missiles; and the Nag ATGM. Only the Trishul will have failed to enter frontline military service.
:why:
Nag series trials for 18 days
A series of trials of anti-tank Nag missile, with focus on the performance of a modified Namica (Nag Missile Carrier) in harsh desert conditions, will be conducted in the Mahajan Field Firing Range in Rajasthan between July 24 and August 10.
The induction of the third generation missile that has a 'top attack and fire-and-forget' capability and four-km range was delayed, with the Army seeking several changes in the specially-designed Namica, which can hold 12 missiles, with eight of them in ready-to-fire mode.
As many as eight missiles would be fired during the trials from two reconfigured Namica vehicles, both developed by Larsen & Toubro and Bharat Electronics Limited, according to DRDO sources involved in the project.
The weight of a reconfigured Namica has been reduced from 16.5 tonnes to 15 tonnes to improve its mobility and amphibious performance. Another important feature is its buoyancy, which is now equivalent to a BMP-2, an infantry fighting vehicle.
This time around, high-end, stabilised Electro-Optical Systems (EOS) have replaced the fixed ones. While one of them is meant for target acquisition by the gunner, the other system will function dedicatedly to provide an independent "panoramic sight" for the surveillance of the crew commander. Earlier, there was only a single fixed sight for the gunner.
To enable the user to adopt the "hunter-killer approach," an additional sight has been provided for the crew commander to guide the gunner in firing in quick succession. "When the gunner is engaged in firing at the first target, the commander will locate the second target and give a cue to the gunner. The commander is the hunter and the gunner is the killer," the sources said.
The mobility trials for Namica would be conducted for a range of 1,000 km in three or four stages. For the first time, Nag would be fired with a higher resolution seeker to demonstrate the lock-on-before-launch capability for a range exceeding four km.
source : www_thehindu.com
A series of trials of anti-tank Nag missile, with focus on the performance of a modified Namica (Nag Missile Carrier) in harsh desert conditions, will be conducted in the Mahajan Field Firing Range in Rajasthan between July 24 and August 10.
The induction of the third generation missile that has a 'top attack and fire-and-forget' capability and four-km range was delayed, with the Army seeking several changes in the specially-designed Namica, which can hold 12 missiles, with eight of them in ready-to-fire mode.
As many as eight missiles would be fired during the trials from two reconfigured Namica vehicles, both developed by Larsen & Toubro and Bharat Electronics Limited, according to DRDO sources involved in the project.
The weight of a reconfigured Namica has been reduced from 16.5 tonnes to 15 tonnes to improve its mobility and amphibious performance. Another important feature is its buoyancy, which is now equivalent to a BMP-2, an infantry fighting vehicle.
This time around, high-end, stabilised Electro-Optical Systems (EOS) have replaced the fixed ones. While one of them is meant for target acquisition by the gunner, the other system will function dedicatedly to provide an independent "panoramic sight" for the surveillance of the crew commander. Earlier, there was only a single fixed sight for the gunner.
To enable the user to adopt the "hunter-killer approach," an additional sight has been provided for the crew commander to guide the gunner in firing in quick succession. "When the gunner is engaged in firing at the first target, the commander will locate the second target and give a cue to the gunner. The commander is the hunter and the gunner is the killer," the sources said.
The mobility trials for Namica would be conducted for a range of 1,000 km in three or four stages. For the first time, Nag would be fired with a higher resolution seeker to demonstrate the lock-on-before-launch capability for a range exceeding four km.
source : www_thehindu.com
