MRCA News & Dicussions (IV)

[SHASH2K2]

Considering that evaluation tests are over it is indeed too late. But what has surprised me till this date is Boeing's unwillingness to offer a fighter which holds an unseen advantage over rivals. No matter what they can pack in or pack with F/A-18, F-15 is always a winner.

F15 itself is a winner and F15 stealth will be much much better that F18 . I dont think USA is still ready to allow us to get cutting edge attack planes.

Today I read news that We have not signed Cismoa for transport planes and will will not be getting military grade GPS equipments. Any Idea if we are ready to sign Cismoa for Fighter planes. If we are not ready to sign Cismoa for transport planes I doubt we will sign it for Fighter planes.

 

[luckyy]

can any pandit tell me how much more time MMRCA will take

the quicker they decide to buy mig-35 or EF, ...

 

[StealthSniper]

Israel did not shown any interest in F-18 because it had her hands on F-15 -- a M-MRCA, well developed, more capable than F-18 and already in service with IDF -- and it not logical to buy two different fighters in same class. If Boeing chose to offer F-15 instead F-18 IAF will gladly accept it as contender in 126.

Not going to happen, the F-15 is a different class of fighter than our MMRCA requirements, and besides our Su-30MKI is too similar to the F-15 anyways. I am still hoping for Rafale or Eurofighter to win, and it's the best solution for India IMO.

 

[vikramrana_1812]

Not going to happen, the F-15 is a different class of fighter than our MMRCA requirements, and besides our Su-30MKI is too similar to the F-15 anyways. I am still hoping for Rafale or Eurofighter to win, and it's the best solution for India IMO.

Guys be ready for surprise as Obama is also planning a visit in Nov 2010...and India is going to select MMRCA plane that time around only.....it wont be a surprise if F-18SH is chosen......so dont make F-18's chances so less.....It has the brightes of chances to be selected here.....Actually its not a bad plane...Its a beast with best avionics india can get.

 

[SURB]

I have a hunch that Indian air force will go for Eurofighter.They will like to break the shackles (Russian option).

 

[sandeepdg]

I wish IAF goes for the EF2000, and not any American fighter (F-16/18SH) !!

 

[bond]

Why dont IAF buy 60 Rafael's and 60 Eurofighters? To get 60 of each will take at least 4-5 years, if not longer. Mean while, IAF will be getting operational experience with squadrons of both aircraft. In 5 years time, they will have a very good understanding of the capabilities of both aircraft, operational costs and which one is better suited for our requirements and Indian conditions. When they have decided on a better aircraft, order a further 60 of that aircraft. And by choosing both aircrafts initially, we can induct them at twice the rate. Win win I say...

I am also against going for any American aircraft, since they are already selling to Pakistan and providing them billions in "AID"..All Pakistan is doing is to channel all that money against India instead of using it to fight Taliban!!!!

 

[arps]

Hmmm..Lot of Rafale fan boys here.
I think 10-12 billion only for 126 fighters with limited TOT(as much referred by IAF) and initial 3-5 years maintenance and training and simulators.F18 even with proposed upgrade will be little less costly than that of rafale and Eurofighter.

But the additional weapons(air and ground and anti radiations) cost will be much cheaper and reliable and proven for F18 than for rafale.

Apart from that US companies have experience for big numbers production and excellent track record for delivering before the schedule. And further upgrade cost will be less.
Where as France has one of the worst track record for making a mess ..behind schedule and cost over run (Scorpian deal) and no negotiable high upgrade cost(mirage).If Rafale(if selected) gets upgrade,they will cost more than our 5th gen fighters in future.

Guys France can make luxury of having 200 fighters with bigger budget than ours.But we need 1000 fighters with the same qualities in a very short duration.So the most cost effective(with best strike capabilities and with best radar) is F18SH. Oh yeah..I have heard F18 engine has 8000 hours life cycle!.

 

[bhramos]

F-18 Silent Hornet

Don't get too excited about the line on F-22. No, Boeing is not the prime contractor for the F-22, but it's responsible for building one-third of the fuselage and integrating the avionics. In the latter role, Boeing expects a thriving business for F-22 modernization programs in the years ahead.

But pay close attention to the last line on slide. It's the one labeled "propietary" and indicates that it's in production today. We don't know what "it" is, and, of course, Lavender declined to elaborate or clarify.

And that may not have been the most interesting slide in Boeing's brief. Take a look at the one below, and note the bullet point for "enclosed weapons pod" and image.

http://www.flightglobal.com/blogs/the-dewline/2010/07/farn10-boeing-does-strike-figh.html

 

[luckyy]

I have a hunch that Indian air force will go for Eurofighter.They will like to break the shackles (Russian option).

spanding $10bn , IAF can get 250 mig-35......or 100 Eurofighter....and after buying 100 they be still needing 150 more to catch up to the required number of squadrens..

 

[arya]

i wish my grandson will know the result of mmrca not possible in my life

our govt took more then 6 years to choose a plane

 

[luckyy]

i wish my grandson will know the result of mmrca not possible in my life

our govt took more then 6 years to choose a plane

don't get surprise if mmrca get cancelled and IAF decided to put the money on FGFA....after all , currently IAF just need to replace mig-21 , and they can happyly do it by inducting LCA..

 

[youngindian]

In fresh blow to Eurofighter, US touts possible F-16 sale to Oman.


http://www.flightglobal.com/article...rofighter-us-touts-possible-f-16-sale-to.html

 

[luckyy]

18 F-16 to Oman for $3.5bn , including electronics warfare suites and APG-68(V)9 active scan radar..

http://www.flightglobal.com/article...rofighter-us-touts-possible-f-16-sale-to.html

a whoping $190ml/plane............(could include a 10 year service contrect too ,)

 

[luckyy]

In fresh blow to Eurofighter, US touts possible F-16 sale to Oman.


http://www.flightglobal.com/article...rofighter-us-touts-possible-f-16-sale-to.html

can anybody justify the price they are quoting , $3.5bn for just 18 F-16....?

 

[arps]

Guys..i m not a fan of F18SH..but we dont have any better solution..Rafale is very good fighter same as upgraded F18..but French companies come with scary and messy track records for delivery and cost overrun.Mirage-2000 had no F18 to compare in kragil but now it cost us 2.2Billion for upgrades..

 

[arps]

Guys..i m not a fan of F18SH..but we dont have any better solution..Rafale is very good fighter same as upgraded F18..but French companies come with scary and messy track records for delivery and cost overrun.Mirage-2000 had no F18 to compare in kragil but now it cost us 2.2Billion for upgrades..

There are only 51 Mirage at most in total..and dnt forget France dont have cheaper weapons and US weapons are much cheaper and better in performance.

 

[SHASH2K2]

There are only 51 Mirage at most in total..and dnt forget France dont have cheaper weapons and US weapons are much cheaper and better in performance.

I can understand that USA made weapons are better but Cheaper ? No way buddy. check price that we are paying for P8I and transport aircrafts.

 

[arps]

I can understand that USA made weapons are better but Cheaper ? No way buddy. check price that we are paying for P8I and transport aircrafts.

Its because there are no equivalent systems ELSE WHERE with similar qualities. And I was talking about various missiles and bombs.

 

[arps]

Investing US planes we need to reinvent the infrastructural and logistic in place.The plane are less rugged plus with their ever long list of MOU to sign India should beware of US intentions we pay cash for that its not aid so why so many strings?
Compare the Rafale,Ef-2000 and the Teen series its obvious we are getting better TOT from EU planemakers.

Except Mig we have to re invest for all others in infrastructure.Mirage and Rafale has very less similarities.Moreover anyway we have to build a whole new chain of tools and factories,while license production of any MMRCA. Its not that building a few parts.You have to make the whole infrastructure.