MRCA News & Dicussions (IV)

[SHASH2K2]

EFT consortium going on a damage control says hell of a lot man, this is not just ajai shukla talking f35, rest assured some very key figures are talking about it.

I assume its a fight between EFT and F35? and all warriors are choosing sides.

 

[thakur_ritesh]

I assume its a fight between EFT and F35? and all warriors are choosing sides.

dont know that mate but there was absolutely no need for EFT chaps to be on the defensive about f35 when this fighter is no where officially in the mmrca contest, them going on the defensive more or less says just one thing, some chaps in raksha mantralay and IAF are talking about this fighter jet. is it possible to source the official EFT consortium reaction on this, if yes please post it.

shash,

ajai shukla certain does have contacts where it matters, and him saying something shouldnt be taken lightly IMHO. this chap was the first to talk about addition order for arjun when ajrun faired well against the t90, first to blow the lid off arjun doing well against t90, and then he was instrumental on leaks about ef200 where he did mention GE was being given a relook and which is what won it for ge in that engine contest. when he is talking stuff like this it seems he is representing a PoV which is prevalent amongst people who matter the most, and EFT's reaction is certainly a point in case who i am sure must be better familiar with what is happening with in the circles.

 

[SHASH2K2]

dont know that mate but there was absolutely no need for EFT chaps to be on the defensive about f35 when this fighter is no where officially in the mmrca contest, them going on the defensive more or less says just one thing, some chaps in raksha mantralay and IAF are talking about this fighter jet. is it possible to source the official EFT consortium reaction on this, if yes please post it.

shash,

ajai shukla certain does have contacts where it matters, and him saying something shouldnt be taken lightly IMHO. this chap was the first to talk about addition order for arjun when ajrun faired well against the t90, first to blow the lid off arjun doing well against t90, and then he was instrumental on leaks about ef200 where he did mention GE was being given a relook and which is what won it for ge in that engine contest. when he is talking stuff like this it seems he is representing a PoV which is prevalent amongst people who matter the most, and EFT's reaction is certainly a point in case who i am sure must be better familiar with what is happening with in the circles.

If he is just breaking a news I would be ok with it but it looks like he is trying to run a campaign in favour of F35 .Recent activities by Euro-fighter management clearly shows something is going on in in the background. They have started open discussion in favor of F35 that clearly shows that a shadow boxing is going on . Honestly speaking I have no Idea about whats going on . May be its related to news about China testing 5th generation plane in coming weeks. I know its far fetched idea but may be they are trying to get non USA fighter plane from Non USA country with full technology transfer and go for F35 from USA.

 

[vishal_lionheart]

Now European also find that MRCA is a PRESTIGE issue for AMERICA.
America wont give up MRCA easily to their European Competitors for sure. That's why, EADS Director board is arrived in India. They just learned their example in LCA engine deal......

 

[Sridhar]

dont know that mate but there was absolutely no need for EFT chaps to be on the defensive about f35 when this fighter is no where officially in the mmrca contest, them going on the defensive more or less says just one thing, some chaps in raksha mantralay and IAF are talking about this fighter jet. is it possible to source the official EFT consortium reaction on this, if yes please post it.

shash,

ajai shukla certain does have contacts where it matters, and him saying something shouldnt be taken lightly IMHO. this chap was the first to talk about addition order for arjun when ajrun faired well against the t90, first to blow the lid off arjun doing well against t90, and then he was instrumental on leaks about ef200 where he did mention GE was being given a relook and which is what won it for ge in that engine contest. when he is talking stuff like this it seems he is representing a PoV which is prevalent amongst people who matter the most, and EFT's reaction is certainly a point in case who i am sure must be better familiar with what is happening with in the circles.

Ritesh ji ,

This is not the first time this claim is not made.This has been said in past with regards to deals wherein EFT is in direct competion with F 35. It seems all these talk has started with APA article(the famous advocates of f22 over f35)

[FONT=Verdana, sans-serif]Mr Secretary - Why Does the Pentagon Say the JSF is a 5th Generation Fighter . . Really?[/FONT]

http://www.ausairpower.net/APA-NOTAM-081109-1.html

and the EFT guys later used this to their advantage

http://www.eurofighter.com/fileadmin/web_data/downloads/efworld/ef_world_2-2010b_Low.pdf

 

[thakur_ritesh]

Ritesh ji ,

This is not the first time this claim is not made.This has been said in past with regards to deals wherein EFT is in direct competion with F 35. It seems all these talk has started with APA article(the famous advocates of f22 over f35)

[FONT=Verdana, sans-serif]Mr Secretary - Why Does the Pentagon Say the JSF is a 5th Generation Fighter . . Really?[/FONT]

http://www.ausairpower.net/APA-NOTAM-081109-1.html

and the EFT guys later used this to their advantage

http://www.eurofighter.com/fileadmin/web_data/downloads/efworld/ef_world_2-2010b_Low.pdf

there is a clear difference.

when EFT said what they said in the past that was when they were in direct competition with the f35, but in here when f35 was no where in the competition there was no way f35 had to be mentioned. a basic rule of sales, never talk of competition which is not in fray because once you start doing that, you start giving ideas to your potential customer which might end up being a deal breaker.

what they say is:

Eurofighter GmbH is in damage control mode, with one of their most articulate and well-informed senior executives interacting in New Delhi yesterday with a string of journalists to send out the message that the Eurofighter would suit India's needs better than the F-35.

now there was absolutely no need for them to suggest even in vague terms that EFT will better suit india's needs than a f35 when f35 was no where in the picture. things dont get said casually or to take pot shots at others just for fun, EFT saying that clearly suggests there is a thinking within the concerned people that they might want to have a look at f35 as an option that prompted this reaction. as i said before a certain ajai shukla and his articles are not so important that each time he writes something the concerned contenders need to react to it, but one of his articles prompting a reaction has more to it!

another thing to be looked at is that EFT never mentioned f16s, they have directly challenged the f35, speaks a lot. another point, right after ajai shukla wrote that piece there was an article that emerged suggesting that india was not interested in f35, and there was not much action even on the front of IN for f35 who were initially interested in that air craft. these things do tend to indicate unease on part of some for sure.

 

[hitenray09]

why go for F-35 when it is still in development phase apart from it delivery status of it is unclear. while mmrca is for different roless where we dont need F-35

 

[vikramrana_1812]

F-35 is not in India's radar.........india/Russia is planning on the design of 5th gen aircraft for in India (dec 2010)...so no place for F-35.....

Typhoon or Rafale - MMRCA winner
F-18SH - the third option (if India is forced by USA).....rest have very bleak chance.....

 

[Parthy]

Typhoon or Rafale - MMRCA winner
F-18SH - the third option (if India is forced by USA).....rest have very bleak chance.....

F-18SH is more of maritime role and the combat radius is so small when compared with other contenders.. Jay ho to Typhoon and Rafale... http://www.defenceforum.in/forum/smilie4/emot206.gif:emot206:

 

[Parthy]

Eurofighter claims that "its squares up with F-22 Raptor"!!!..

Report - Livefist. How much is that true??

 

[Parthy]

RAF Typhoons Fly With IAF Floggers At Exercise Indradhanush

 

[EagleOne]

Lockheed offers advanced F-16 fighter aircraft to India
US aircraft manufacturer Lockheed Martin Corporation has offered India its tailor-made advanced F-16IN Super Viper aircraft for the Indian Air Force.

Michael R Griswold, Director of Advance Development Programme, Lockheed Martin Corporation, told media persons here on Thursday that the offer of the customised fighter plane should be seen as a step ahead of the F-16 series as integration into India's infrastructure and operations.

"F-16 has a long history of operations around the world. As everyone understands the F-16 that we are offering here to India is by no means the end of the line of F-16s, in fact it represents the beginning of what we think is great future for F-16 in India," said Griswold.

The advanced version of the F-16 has been designed after long discussions between the IAF and Lockheed Martin Corporation.

Features like Active Electronic Scanned array (AESA), enhanced high-thrust engine, and large weapon inventory have been specially integrated to suit the needs of the IAF.

"We had to show all our requirements during trials, we debated and tried to come up with exact number of requirements but it's an extra 650 unique requirements to meet MMRCA (Medium Multi Role Combat Aircraft) and the Indian Air Force had a very rigorous process in place to step through the requirements one-by-one and check them all," said Griswold.

"So in the case we had to provide new capability beyond what the F-16 block has, say a new weapon that the Indian Air Force wanted or the new sensor Indian Air Force wanted, we had to put that capability in many cases we demonstrate in flight whenever we could on the F-16, some cases it was not practical in incorporating on the aircrafts so we did it in assimilation in the laboratory environment but every single of those requirements we have shown to the Indian Air Force we are capable of it," he added.

He, however, declined to comment on President Obama's visit to India in November.

" I read a lot of stories about what the President's visit is or is not going to accomplish. I think clearly if you look at the trajectory the relationship is on between the two countries, it is more of growing closer in many areas not just defence but across the broad spectrum of commercial and cultural, social and defence issues. No reasons to believe that all the generals will be part of the visit. But defence probably will come up. By no means will it be all that they will discuss," Griswold noted.

The F16IN Super Viper is a fifth generation fighter, sharing a heritage with the F-35 Lightening II Joint Strike Fighter and the F-22 Raptor. (ANI)
http://sify.com/news/lockheed-offer...craft-to-india-news-national-kk3l4hghidf.html

 

[vikramrana_1812]

Eurofighter pledges partnership opportunities in bid to secure MMRCA contract


The supervisory board of Eurofighter met in New Delhi during 25-26 October to boost the group's bid to secure the Indian Air Force's USD10 billion Medium Multi-Role Combat Aircraft (MMRCA) competition.
Eurofighter said in a statement that the supervisory board will support the MMRCA campaign as well as propose "additional opportunities for industrial and technological co-operation" to potential Indian partners.
The supervisory board consists of chief executive officers (CEOs) from Eurofighter partners EADS, BAE Systems and Finmeccanica subsidiary Alenia Aeronautica.
The significance of the meeting was outlined by Bernhard Gerwert, chairman of the supervisory board and CEO of EADS subsidiary Cassidian Air Systems. He said: "The Eurofighter supervisory board is meeting in New Delhi to underline the importance we attach to integrating India into the programme as a true and equal industrial partner."


http://www.janes.com/news/defence/jdi/jdi101027_1_n.shtml

 

[maomao]

We don't need 1980s F-16, which Lockheed is claiming to be 5th generation (lol), they can shove it up the a@@ of "land of the pure"

 

[The Messiah]

We don't need 1980s F-16, which Lockheed is claiming to be 5th generation (lol), they can shove is up the a@@ of "land of the pure"

Agreed.

They are behaving like roadside sellers by claming everything under the sun in regards to the product they sell.

 

[maomao]

Agreed.

They are behaving like roadside sellers by claming everything under the sun in regards to the product they sell.

If you know Americans then you shouldn't be surprised

 

[The Messiah]

If you know Americans then you shouldn't be surprised

I am not surprised since i know what all methods they use to get there way.

If F-16IN Super Viper is a 5th gen aircraft then why are they building F-22 and F-35 ??? :emot15:

 

[maomao]

I am not surprised since i know what all methods they use to get there way.

If F-16IN Super Viper is a 5th gen aircraft then why are they building F-22 and F-35 ??? :emot15:

As great Obama is galloping his way towards India, I am apprehensive that US worshiping GOI would do something blunderous with MMRCA to please the Superior race of Americans. My apprehensions are supported by valid fear of utter neglect of national security/priority, in exchange of bagging some business deals for Indian Corporates who are hand in glove with GOI and their family members.

 

[agentperry]

oh man.... it feels so wierd reading ppl sayin this thing or that thing comin... iaf has already decided what it wants and how many they want americans gonna win but still F-35 is no where in sight... also russians will be made happy but that will take time... 2013 onwards mig-35 gonna come believ it or not...

 

[LETHALFORCE]

oh man.... it feels so wierd reading ppl sayin this thing or that thing comin... iaf has already decided what it wants and how many they want americans gonna win but still F-35 is no where in sight... also russians will be made happy but that will take time... 2013 onwards mig-35 gonna come believ it or not...

Unlikely when we have enough Russian planes and we are looking to diversify.