MRCA News & Dicussions (IV)

[death.by.chocolate]

Gripen over Burj Al Arab

Pretend you're in the cockpit your RWR (radar warning) receiver is screaming at you - a SAM is headed straight toward you. You react by frantically looking out of your cockpit to try and locate the SAM climbing from the surface while you attempt to deploys CM's and initiate evasive maneuvers.

Problem is much of the surface view is obstructed by the canard. My favorite Lebanese restaurant, the Jumeriah beach hotel and wild wadi all hidden from view. You drop munitions and make a low level pass for visual verification - damn canard is in the way again. Same problem in close combat..this is one of the many reasons canards are not preferred by the Russians and Americans.

 

[Mustang]

IAF has got a written guarantee from every MRCA contestant for no hindrances in supplying any component if their aircraft is chosen.

Looks like by choosing Gripen NG for MRCA, support for engines on LCA's F414 could also be influenced from sweden (hopefully that is !!) in case any disruption from USA...

 

[slenke]

Pretend you're in the cockpit your RWR (radar warning) receiver is screaming at you - a SAM is headed straight toward you. You react by frantically looking out of your cockpit to try and locate the SAM climbing from the surface while you attempt to deploys CM's and initiate evasive maneuvers.

Problem is much of the surface view is obstructed by the canard. My favorite Lebanese restaurant, the Jumeriah beach hotel and wild wadi all hidden from view. You drop munitions and make a low level pass for visual verification - damn canard is in the way again. Same problem in close combat..this is one of the many reasons canards are not preferred by the Russians and Americans.

Yeah, there must be something with us stupid Europeans for chosing such a flawed design :emot100:.
Or maybe we thought that the gains in manouverbility, increased lift and STOL capability is worth it?

 

[death.by.chocolate]

Yeah, there must be something with us stupid Europeans for chosing such a flawed design :emot100:.
Or maybe we thought that the gains in manouverbility, increased lift and STOL capability is worth it?

..there are other gains, more fuel and pay load capacity is IMO the greatest benefit. One piece delta wing design greatly
improves air frame strength and survivability.I don't know if the Typhoon or Gripen design
incorporates a one piece delta wing like the Boeing X-32 but I know the Rafale does not.​

 

[Agantrope]

IAF has got a written guarantee from every MRCA contestant for no hindrances in supplying any component if their aircraft is chosen.

Looks like by choosing Gripen NG for MRCA, support for engines on LCA's F414 could also be influenced from sweden (hopefully that is !!) in case any disruption from USA...

I think this not possible when GoI is looking for political mileage over other nations. Still Keeping my fingers crossed

 

[StealthSniper]

 

[StealthSniper]

 

[RPK]

The report has the details of the performance of the six competing fighters on 643 different requirements with each aircraft being marked compliant or non-compliant with each parameter.
http://www.dnaindia.com/india/repor...o-be-finalised-by-next-year-iaf-chief_1449440

 

[Patriot]

Indian Air Force Chief Expects MRCA Deal Winner to be chosen by July 2011 | India Defence

2010-10-08 India, which is racing to upgrade its military, is likely to hand out a 12-billion-dollar contract for 126 fighter jets by July 2011, the country's air force chief said on Friday. Six global aeronautical companies are in a dogfight to grab the deal to sell 126 Medium Multi-Role Combat Aircraft (MMRCA) to the Indian Air Force, which is also shopping for up to 270 Russian-designed Sukhoi war jets .

"We had submitted the MMRCA report with the defence ministry on July 30 and if everything goes of well, then the contract should be signed by July 30 next year," Air Chief Marshal P.V. Naik said, the Press Trust of India reported. India issued the request for proposals to the six short-listed firms in August 2007 and the long-awaited trials of the aircraft competing for the world's most lucrative fighter jet contract began last year.

Air Chief Marshal Naik's announcement came a day after Moscow and New Delhi unveiled plans to co-develop 250-300 advanced stealth fighter jets for military technology-hungry India.

American companies, Lockheed Martin F-16IN, Boeing F/A-18, French Dassault Rafale, EADS Eurofighter Typhoon, Saab Gripen and Russian MiG-35 are in the running for the 126 aircraft deal which is expected to replace the aging MiG-21s. According to sources, "Vendors who are compliant rule wise, Defence Procurement Policy and Technical offsets will ultimately be opened for consideration. Also, the lowest bidder, designated L1, will be selected as the medium multi-role combat aircraft (MRCA)."

 

[StealthSniper]

Eurofighter Intercepting C-130, showing Eurofighter power

 

[StealthSniper]

 

[vishal_lionheart]

We need Large number of Fighter with Low MAINTAINS to counter China and Pakistan.

 

[quantumbugs]

With 272 su30mki by 2015-2016 + 69 mig29smt india will have over 50% of its air force as expensive to maintain twin engined fighters.

The original mmrca top contender was a single engined mirage2000 dash 5... multi role fighter.

If IAF awards this mmrca to F18SH/RAFAEL OR TYPHOON IAF will be too top heavey with twin engines fighters by 2020 ie 80% of a 640 fleet will be 2 engines and far too expensive to operate maintain etc.

272 su30mki
60 mig29smt
126mmrca
versis
100tejasmk1/2
51 mirage2000 dash5 single engines

The fact that the GE414 HAS WON the LCA MK2 ENGINE RACE AND THE GIPEN NG has same engine plus the gipen can use both American & european weapons this fighter must be a red hot option.

The gripen is offering a new AESA or even accomadating a indo israeli aesa the elta520 hybrid
it can use USA amraam & the new meteore BVR and came out tops in the very cold high altitude trials at LEH. where alot of the other contenders failed.

Would this air force not be better for economy

272 su30mki & mig29smt similar weapons and engines
126gripenNG & 100-150 tejas mk2 same engine and same elta radars

also reduces the single engined/twin engines to 50/50 ratio...by 2020.
plus gripen is cost efficient as well...

 

[Agantrope]

With 272 su30mki by 2015-2016 + 69 mig29smt india will have over 50% of its air force as expensive to maintain twin engined fighters.

The original mmrca top contender was a single engined mirage2000 dash 5... multi role fighter.

If IAF awards this mmrca to F18SH/RAFAEL OR TYPHOON IAF will be too top heavey with twin engines fighters by 2020 ie 80% of a 640 fleet will be 2 engines and far too expensive to operate maintain etc.

272 su30mki
60 mig29smt
126mmrca
versis
100tejasmk1/2
51 mirage2000 dash5 single engines

The fact that the GE414 HAS WON the LCA MK2 ENGINE RACE AND THE GIPEN NG has same engine plus the gipen can use both American & european weapons this fighter must be a red hot option.

The gripen is offering a new AESA or even accomadating a indo israeli aesa the elta520 hybrid
it can use USA amraam & the new meteore BVR and came out tops in the very cold high altitude trials at LEH. where alot of the other contenders failed.

Would this air force not be better for economy

272 su30mki & mig29smt similar weapons and engines
126gripenNG & 100-150 tejas mk2 same engine and same elta radars

also reduces the single engined/twin engines to 50/50 ratio...by 2020.
plus gripen is cost efficient as well...

HI, 2 paisa is now with the gripen.

Saab with offering the full ToT, i mean full ToT for all the components, IAF and DRDO will be aware of the availability over it. This will be good option when others may deny that.

Remember that even israel endorsed to the gripen for india with its avionics before the unkil's arm twist. Even if MoD considers the costs then gripen is a overkill. My only worry is american engine which comes with a string of uncertanity

 

[vishal_lionheart]

With 272 su30mki by 2015-2016 + 69 mig29smt india will have over 50% of its air force as expensive to maintain twin engined fighters.

India Air Force will bear such heavy maintains cost. It affects its planning and development. Also might be chance to collapse its budget due to such Heavy Aircraft.

272 su30mki
60 mig29smt
126mmrca[/QUOTE

You also not mention 250 to 300 FGFA and PAK FA, It is also Twin Engine Aircraft.

For above reason some experts favour F 16 and Grippen

 

[vishal_lionheart]

http://www.brahmand.com/newsimages/12193948424cac13239438c.jpg



what is name of this BEAUTIFUL bird?

 

[black eagle]

http://www.brahmand.com/newsimages/12193948424cac13239438c.jpg



what is name of this BEAUTIFUL bird?

It was an artist's impression of the PAK-FA before T-50 was made public.

 

[vikramrana_1812]

It's Sukhoi vs Eurofighter as IAF 'takes on' RAF

It Looks like India has chosen their aircraft for MMRCA and they want a feel of it.

NEW DELHI: Top-notch fighters and other aircraft from India and UK will match their combat skills in the `Indra-Dhanush' joint exercise at Kalaikunda airbase in West Bengal later this month.

While the British Royal Air Force will deploy their spanking new Eurofighter jets for the exercise slated to begin from October 20, the IAF fleet will be led by the `air dominance' Sukhoi-30MKI fighters.

"The exercise will be held in an AWACS (airborne warning and control systems) environment, with air defence being a major thrust area. We will be fielding different types of our fighters," said a senior official.

Both the Indian and British forces are also expected to use their mid-air refuelling aircraft, like the IL-78 and VC-10 tankers, during the combat manoeuvres.

"The aim of the joint exercise is to learn from each other and enhance mutual operational understanding. With every exercise, IAF has gained valuable experience and gained respect as a highly-professional and motivated force," the official added.

The exercise comes at a time when the $10.4 billion project to acquire 126 medium multi-role combat aircraft (MMRCA) for IAF is in the final stages of selection process.

Apart from Eurofighter, the other five contenders in the hotly-contested race to bag the lucrative MMRCA project are the F/A-18 `Super Hornet' and F-16 `Falcon' (both US), Gripen (Swedish), Rafale (French) and MiG-35 (Russian).

A major Indo-UK defence deal has been the `Hawk' AJT (advanced jet trainer) project. As reported earlier, India is going in for another 57 Hawks as a "follow-on" order to the ongoing Rs 8,000 crore AJT project, finalised in March 2004 with BAE Systems, under which IAF is already getting 66 Hawks.


Read more: It's Sukhoi vs Eurofighter as IAF 'takes on' RAF - The Times of India It's Sukhoi vs Eurofighter as IAF 'takes on' RAF - The Times of India

 

[vikramrana_1812]

Saab to Equip Swedish Gripen with BVR Missile

Saab has received a contract from the Swedish Defence Materiel Administration to integrate the active radar-guided beyond visual range (BVR) missile, Meteor, on Gripen fighters.

Under the Skr312m ($42m) contract, Saab will integrate Meteor with other Gripen systems, such as the radar and displays.

Under the contract, Saab will also perform test flights and test firing, whilst integrating Meteor with support and maintenance systems such as simulators and planning computers.

Meteor will have the largest no-escape zone of any air-to-air weapon that will result in a long stand-off range and high kill probability to ensure air superiority and pilot survivability.

Saab to Equip Swedish Gripen with BVR Missile - Air Force Technology

 

[black eagle]