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Armand2REP

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Since the Order is significant for survival of SAAB we can force it for complete TOT and ask it for participating for India's fresh 5th Generation MCA or AMCA here SAAB help us for better
Biggest problem with that is SAAB don't have IP rights to the ToT. Engines and datalinks are American, radar and IRST is Italian. Several subsystems are made abroad. They don't have any real ToT to transfer.
 

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Biggest problem with that is SAAB don't have IP rights to the ToT. Engines and datalinks are American, radar and IRST is Italian. Several subsystems are made abroad. They don't have any real ToT to transfer.
All over the world this is the trend but we can put israeli avoinics in Griffen and we can ask them for providing with Eurojet2000 or RD93 engine's
 

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All over the world this is the trend but we can put israeli avoinics in Griffen and we can ask them for providing with Eurojet2000 or RD93 engine's
It isn't worth it for them to do it. They are trying to make money, not lose it.
 

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Seriously, why don't you read what it is you are quoting? You only look like an idiot when you don't.



This is a handbook for contractors... duh
Oh! boy you really need help, Boeing, LM and Raytheon are all considered DEFENSE CONTRACTORS.
Seriously dude, you are embarrassing yourself.
 

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Biggest problem with that is SAAB don't have IP rights to the ToT. Engines and datalinks are American, radar and IRST is Italian. Several subsystems are made abroad. They don't have any real ToT to transfer.
As opposed to the Rafale that is 100% French? Are all components and sub components of Rafale, including machine tools for manufacturing and raw materials made in France?
Here's your chance to be honest for once...
 

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Oh! boy you really need help, Boeing, LM and Raytheon are all considered DEFENSE CONTRACTORS.
Seriously dude, you are embarrassing yourself.
They are not field commanders using "scientific" equations and "survivability indexes" to determine what platforms to use in a mission as you said. They are contractors making equipment to specifications.

Seriously dudette, you are embarrassing yourself.
 

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As opposed to the Rafale that is 100% French? Are all components and sub components of Rafale, including machine tools for manufacturing and raw materials made in France?
Here's your chance to be honest for once...
We own 100% of the IP rights to every system, sub-system and design on the aircraft. Outsourcing nuts and bolts is of no concern to ToT.
 

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They are not field commanders using "scientific" equations and "survivability indexes" to determine what platforms to use in a mission as you said. They are contractors making equipment to specifications.

Seriously dudette, you are embarrassing yourself.
Damn it! Armand2REP you are determined to get a free education from me :angry_10:
I should start charging you my standard consulting fee.

I'm starting to feel sorry for you...:hmm: All you had to do was apologize for making a bad joke about the Canadian crash.

BLUEMAX (Mission-Threat Analysis) and RADGUNS is part of a comprehensive mission planning suite that our Commanders,mission planners and pilots use to predict and model possible outcomes of aerial action including the likelihood of combat losses. The suite consists of other module like AIRADE - Airborne Radar Detection Model, BRL-CAD & FASTGEN, COVART, AJEM and more.

BLUEMAX is used to construct detailed flight paths for fixed-wing aircraft. The model is also useful as a standalone tool for determining aircraft performance characteristics. In addition, the model has the capability to utilize National Geospatial–Intelligence Agency (NGA) Digital Terrain Elevation Data (DTED) to construct terrain following/terrain avoidance flight paths and determine line of sight information for a user-defined set of ground threats. This provides the user the capability to perform exposure studies and quick survivability estimates, as well as mission planning.


RADGUN


RADGUNS is used to evaluate the effectiveness of Air Defense Artillery (ADA) gun systems against penetrating aerial targets. It is also used to evaluate the effectiveness of different airborne target characteristics (radar cross section (RCS), maneuvers, use of electronic countermeasures, etc.) against a specific ADA system. RADGUNS is a complete one-on-one simulation including weapon system, operators, target model (RCS and presented/vulnerableareas), flight profiles, environment (clutter and multipath), electronic attack, and endgame. RADGUNS can assess many aspects of a weapon system's performance including target detection, tracking performance, probability of hit (Ph), probability of kill (Pk), expected number of hits, and the effects of jamming. ADA weapon systems are typically modeled at either the subsystem or circuit level consisting of acquisition and track radar and/or optical systems, a set of rapid fire anti-aircraft guns, a fire control computer (FCC) and servo system to aim the guns, and a crew to operate the system.
 

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Damn it! Armand2REP you are determined to get a free education from me :angry_10:
I should start charging you my standard consulting fee.

I'm starting to feel sorry for you...:hmm: All you had to do was apologize for making a bad joke about the Canadian crash.
Sure, you go on feeling sorry when you don't have the first clue what you are talking about.

BLUEMAX (Mission-Threat Analysis) and RADGUNS is part of a comprehensive mission planning suite that our Commanders,mission planners and pilots use to predict and model possible outcomes of aerial action including the likelihood of combat losses. The suite consists of other module like AIRADE - Airborne Radar Detection Model, BRL-CAD & FASTGEN, COVART, AJEM and more.
BLUEMAX and RADGUNS are two of Serviac's simulation software used "in support of aerospace system ACQUISITION".... as stated in their own document...

This Aerospace Systems Survivability Handbook Series is designed to provide its users with
insight into the key activities performed by survivability personnel in support of aerospace
systems acquisition.
The series is not a specification or standard but rather a "how-to" guide for
all survivability managers, engineers, and analysts associated with survivability activities
likely
to be needed on any program, government or commercial.

http://www.bahdayton.com/surviac/PDF/SHBSVol5MS.pdf
These are not used by war planners but by contractors. How many times you have to be told? :angry_10:

You can't even plan a war with it if you wanted to... these are standalone programmes that test "1-on-1" or "few-on-few" engagements.

Go back to your sandbox please...
 
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Future missile system for Gripen
By admin at 8 September, 2010, 4:00 pm

BY: SAAB PRESS CENTER

Defence and security company Saab has received an order from FMV (the Swedish Defence Materiel Administration) regarding the integration of the active radar-guided Beyond Visual Range (BVR) missile, Meteor. The order is worth MSEK 312 spread over four years.

The integration means that Meteor will be adapted to other Gripen systems, such as the radar and displays. The order includes test flights and test firing, as well as the integration of Meteor with support and maintenance systems such as simulators and planning computers. The Swedish Gripen C/D aircraft will also have a two-way datalink for communication between the aircraft and the missile once it has been fired.

"Meteor has substantially better performance than any other BVR missile existing today, which will obviously increase Gripen's ability to defend against other aircraft," says Lennart Sindahl, Head of business area Aeronautics within Saab. "The fact that Gripen is also being used internationally as an airborne platform in the development of Meteor shows that we have a technical level in Sweden that few other countries can match."

Gripen has been used since 2006 as the test aircraft for the development of Meteor. Multiple missiles have been fired from Gripen to date. This experience can now be utilised for a more cost-effective integration of Meteor with the Swedish Armed Forces' Gripen C/D.

The order mainly concerns Saab's operations in Linköping and to some extent Gothenburg.


Saab serves the global market with world-leading products, services and solutions ranging from military defence to civil security. Saab has operations and employees on all continents and constantly develops adapts and improves new technology to meet customers' changing needs.


Meteor has been designed to defeat current and future threats at beyond visual range, with an understanding performance that will totally redefine an aircraft's air combat capability. Meteor has the largest No Escape Zone of any air-to-air weapon, resulting in a long stand-off range and high kill probability that ensures air superiority and pilot survivability. The programme is on schedule to deliver the first production deliveries in 2012 and is the result of a successful six-nation European collaboration, in which Saab Dynamics of Sweden is a partner of the prime contractor, MBDA.


The Gripen is the first of the new generation fighter aircraft to enter service and the first to be used for firing Meteor, the high-tech beyond visual range missiles of the future. Using the latest available technology it is capable of performing an extensive range of air-to-air and air-to-surface operational missions and employing the latest weapons. Gripen, designed to meet the demands of current and future threats, is in service with the Swedish, Czech Republic, Hungarian and South African Air Forces and has also been ordered by the Royal Thai Air Force. The UK Empire Test Pilots´ School (ETPS) is also operating Gripen as its advanced fast jet platform for test pilots world wide.







Future missile system for Gripen
 

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Biggest problem with that is SAAB don't have IP rights to the ToT. Engines and datalinks are American, radar and IRST is Italian. Several subsystems are made abroad. They don't have any real ToT to transfer.
Gripen can use two types of datalinks, the Link-16 and the swedish one. Engine is american yes, well at least the new one. Radar and IRST are British/Italian.

I wonder why the Brazilians think SAAB offered better ToT than Dassault.... hmm.. So please, drop the bull.
 

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Sure, you go on feeling sorry when you don't have the first clue what you are talking about.



BLUEMAX and RADGUNS are two of Serviac's simulation software used "in support of aerospace system ACQUISITION".... as stated in their own document...



These are not used by war planners but by contractors. How many times you have to be told? :angry_10:

You can't even plan a war with it if you wanted to... these are standalone programmes that test "1-on-1" or "few-on-few" engagements.

Go back to your sandbox please...
Arrêt - Armand2REP, this is getting silly and seriously off topic.

BLUEMAX, RADGUNS,AIRADE ..et al are part of a military software suite used for comprehensive mission planning among other things. It is painfully obvious defense contractors like Lockheed or Boeing do not plan military missions and campaigns. Here is a link from US Navy Modeling and Simulation Office describing AIRADE. Navy Modeling & Simulation Office

"AIRADE is an interactive computer program for evaluating radar performance. Its is used as a tool for design, analysis and mission planning for airborne radar surveillance and fire control systems. AIRADE models and evaluates the performance of various moving target indicator (MTI) and pulse-Doppler radar systems. It provides useful tools for both radar analysis as well as performance capability reporting of airborne radar systems. Additionally, AIRADE has the ability to generate clutter data for the low pulse repetition frequency (LPRF), MTI and pulse-Doppler waveform modes. The model was initially developed for evaluating airborne intercept and early warning radar systems. AIRADE simulates search, acquisition, and track modes as well as computes coverage diagrams for radar-centered azimuth, radar-centered elevation, target-centered azimuth, and target- centered elevation."

Your feeble attempts at confusing forum members to conceal your deceit and ignorance isn't working. If you think our military personnel are permitted computer time during a military campaign just to play solitaire or update their Facebook status - then you are welcome to your delusions.

MODS your intervention is requested, get Armand2REP to back up his claims of 100% French content for the Rafale and answer questions that I have asked in my previous post.
 
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Northrop to Provide IMU for Eurofighter Typhoon


Northrop Grumman has received a contract to deliver 88 inertial measurement units (IMU) for tranche 3A of the Eurofighter Typhoon fighter jet. Under the contract awarded by EADS Defence & Security, Northrop's German navigation systems subsidiary, Northrop Grumman LITEF, will manufacture the IMUs. The IMUs, which provide motion data for the aircraft, will be developed as part of the flight control system of the Eurofighter Typhoon aircraft. Equipped with highly accurate inertial sensors and built-in redundancy, the IMUs will measure aircraft motion and continuously provide motion data to the flight control computer.

The closed control loop stabilisation system of the IMU will enable the aircraft to perform with extreme agility and maintain a high degree of manoeuvrability. The IMU will provide backup navigation data as part of its secondary function.

Article: LogisticsWeek
Very Interesting..
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Eurofighter offers Typhoon for Polish air force

By Bartosz Glowacki

The Eurofighter consortium has made its debut appearance at Poland's International Defence Industry Exhibition (MSPO) in Kielce, with the Typhoon being promoted as a potential replacement for the nation's RSK MiG-29 and Sukhoi Su-22M4 strike aircraft.

With sources suggesting that Poland's defence ministry plans to upgrade some of its current assets, Eurofighter representatives say: "The price of the [Typhoon] aircraft, its servicing and maintenance costs during the next 30-40 years would be not higher than extending the life of ex-Soviet aircraft until 2028."

A campaign to sell the Typhoon to Warsaw would be supported by EADS and Finmeccanica, which would each offer industrial partnerships and technology transfer. Poland could also access the training and logistics lessons learned by Germany, Italy, Spain and the UK, plus export user Austria, sources say.



The Polish air force should retire the last of its remaining 48 Su-22s in 2011-12, but there have been suggestions that this could be extended until 2016. Their removal would leave a fighter gap between the service's current 31 MiG-29s and 48 Lockheed Martin F-16C/Ds, as the defence ministry has outlined a need to retain a strength of eight frontline squadrons equipped with 120 modern combat aircraft.

A planned acquisition of 16 advanced jet trainer/lead-in fighter trainers with some combat capabilities would only slightly narrow the capability gap.

The Typhoon is also being offered to other central European countries, including the Czech Republic, Hungary and Slovakia.




Eurofighter offers Typhoon for Polish air force
 

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Very Interesting..
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This shouldn't really surprise anyone, several key components of Typhoon, Rafale and Gripen are sourced externally.For instance, titanium parts for Rafale's M88 engine is sourced from TITAL Germany.Can these titanium parts be machined in France? Probably - but can a local vendor achieve the same quality and efficiency as TITAL while remaining cost competitive - probably not?

Parallel to the Eurofighter commitment, TITAL is seeing positive business developments in the engine sector. Currently the investment casting specialist casts, machines and assembles titanium castings for the M88 engine which is used in the supersonic transport Rafale manufactured by the French company Dassault.
TITAL GmbH established as Supplier for Engine Manufacturer | TITAL® - The very best in castings

As a matter of fact, several key Rafale components are sourced from Britain, Switzerland, Germany,Spain and the United States.
It may surprise you but Spectra is manufactured by Thales North America Inc.

Here is a list of major suppliers to the Dassault Rafale aircraft program. A similar list is available for Gripen and Typhoon. For those concerned about US Sanctions and Export restrictions on military and dual use items then with the possible exception of MIG none of the other aircrafts are a 100% sanction proof. Some are more susceptible than others, I will admit that the Gripen, Typhoon
are less immune than the Rafale.

Dassault Rafale - program supplier guide

The United States is a global HUB for the aeronautics industry evidenced by the fact that 55% of the new Airbus 380 is US content.Trying to build a hitech warplane while avoiding US origin components and equipment is like going to Wal Mart and expecting to find something NOT 'Made in China'.
 

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Here is a list of major suppliers to the Dassault Rafale aircraft program. A similar list is available for Gripen and Typhoon. For those concerned about US Sanctions and Export restrictions on military and dual use items then with the possible exception of MIG none of the other aircrafts are a 100% sanction proof. Some are more susceptible than others, I will admit that the Gripen, Typhoon
are less immune than the Rafale.
Dassault Rafale - program supplier guide
so in your view , mmrca will go to MIG-35's !..right

infect MMRCA selection would finally going to be a face off between MIG-35 and EFT.........in my view , both will win..
 
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