MRCA News & Dicussions (IV)

[Armand2REP]

Not to mention... everyone knows F-16 doesn't have a chance in hell. The date on that looks like July which is outdated in this discussion.

 

[Daredevil]

A presentation on Eurofighter Typhoon. 12MB PDF file.

http://www.mil.no/multimedia/archive/00089/2_Eurofighter_capabi_89302a.pdf

 

[Daredevil]

Publications by Dassault in Rafale in English. Please have a look if you want to learn about Rafale.

http://www.dassault-aviation.com/fr/defense/rafale/publications.html

 

[neo29]

http://www.subcontinentaldef.net/2010/08/indias-aesa-radar-development.html

Here it shows that India's AESA has made serious developments and may be ready soon. Probably earlier that EADS makes theirs ready. If we have a operational AESA by 2011-12 then i think we can easily consider EF's and install our AESA in EF. Surely EADS wont mind since we will be officially in a JV and complete partnership in the project. I doubt the same for Rafale. Installing our own AESA will reduce costs.

 

[Singh]

MAG REPORT: F-16, MiG-35, Typhoon Make The Cut, While Rafale, Super Hornet & Gripen Don't​

The latest edition of India's STRATEGIC AFFAIRS magazine has the piece above, which has sources telling it that the Viper, Fulcrum and Typhoon are in, while the Hornet, Gripen and Rafale are finito in India's MMRCA competition. If you can ignore the proof-reading, what technical parameters could possibly put the F-16, MiG-35 and Typhoon above the other three?

http://livefist.blogspot.com/2010/08/mag-report-f-16-mig-35-typhoon-make-cut.html

 

[civfanatic]

MAG REPORT: F-16, MiG-35, Typhoon Make The Cut, While Rafale, Super Hornet & Gripen Don't​

The latest edition of India's STRATEGIC AFFAIRS magazine has the piece above, which has sources telling it that the Viper, Fulcrum and Typhoon are in, while the Hornet, Gripen and Rafale are finito in India's MMRCA competition. If you can ignore the proof-reading, what technical parameters could possibly put the F-16, MiG-35 and Typhoon above the other three?

http://livefist.blogspot.com/2010/08/mag-report-f-16-mig-35-typhoon-make-cut.html

I'm not sure if I believe this report.... it's just too hard to swallow.
How could F-16 get in but Rafale gets disqualified?? It doesn't seem logical to me.

 

[Rahul Singh]

Here come the twist. Who to believe? Well Known Times Now from house of Times Group :emot15: or this magazine article which may not have good reputation but also do not have a reputation of Times Group? Anyday if given opportunity will select any one from Rafale or Mig-35 and reject rest because they are more or less american.

Neither of them represents future and will be bought as void fillers. PAK-FA and AMCA are the future for IAF.

 

[neo29]

I am sure this magazine is of Aug 2010, so its but obvious that its printed before the Times Now report. So no need to worry guys.

 

[vikramrana_1812]

I'm not sure if I believe this report.... it's just too hard to swallow.
How could F-16 get in but Rafale gets disqualified?? It doesn't seem logical to me.

Yes it is hard to swallow.....but thats how our Govt works.......F-16 may have scored good points because it is the most advanced plane in all the 6 contenders at the moment.....We say that it does not have future...and that is true also..but currently in all 6 contenders..it is the most advance and modern fighter...Well it will be a shocker if India choosed F-16...(it is not bad actually....israel also flies them and they have made F-16 very deadly with their avionics....and also they will fly them for another 20 more years..after that no one will fly 4.5 gen fighters so basically ALL THE 6 CONTENDERS DOESNT HAVE ANY FUTURE.....ITS NOT ONLY F16 BUT ALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL.....

 

[civfanatic]

Yes it is hard to swallow.....but thats how our Govt works.......F-16 may have scored good points because it is the most advanced plane in all the 6 contenders at the moment.....We say that it does not have future...and that is true also..but currently in all 6 contenders..it is the most advance and modern fighter...Well it will be a shocker if India choosed F-16...(it is not bad actually....israel also flies them and they have made F-16 very deadly with their avionics....and also they will fly them for another 20 more years..after that no one will fly 4.5 gen fighters so basically ALL THE 6 CONTENDERS DOESNT HAVE ANY FUTURE.....ITS NOT ONLY F16 BUT ALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL.....

How is the F-16 more advanced than the Rafale and Eurofighter?

 

[Kunal Biswas]

MKI is used as an air superiority fighter so it is not going to replace MiG-27 or Jaguars in the strike role.

MKI will still be primarily air dominance.

MKI are multirole heavy figther, they are meant for PGM , ANTI-RADIATION, AIR-SUPERIORITY task..
As i said before MRCA is meant to replace MIGS,JAGS,MIR from IAF fleet..
AS MKI have most formidable engines, radar and armament it will be a Air-Dominance fighter..

Russia won't let us do it. For us to integrate our missiles Russia would have to give up every secret of the MKI. Not that we wouldn't be more than happy to do so.

Russian are very friendly regarding MKI program, IAF do use Popey LITE PGM in MKI..
Having MICA and Scalp is most important..

MKI is now as expensive as Rafale. Defence inflation in Russia is twice what it is in France. Once IAF realises how much they need the technology of MMRCA, the MKI will seem like a Betamax.

HAL MKI?
Tech of MRCA can be interigated into MKI, not 100% but 30%, MKI can do all those Job as a MRCA can do..

IAF is stressing life-cycle cost so much because they are understanding how expensive it is to maintain and operate the gas guzzling MKI.

If so IAF wouldn't allowed MOD for more purchase of MKI..

 

[EagleOne]

Boeing focuses on Super Hornet technology advancement feature

US aviation major Boeing Wednesday said if India selects its Super Hornets for its USD 11 billion deal for 126 multirole combat aircraft, it will be allowed to add advanced capabilities in the fighters as per future requirements.
"India would be able to participate as an International Super Hornet Roadmap customer, if desired, and could enhance future Indian Super Hornets... This (roadmap) will give the Indian Air Force flexibility over the years if they want to integrate or insert new technologies," Boeing Defence, Space and Security India head Vivek Lall told PTI here.

Boeing's F/A-18 E/F fighter aircraft is one of the six contenders in the race for supplying 126 multi-role combat aircraft to the IAF for the deal.

The company has recently announced a US Navy-funded and Boeing-developed International Super Hornet roadmap for the next 40 years which plans for maturing technologies and inserting them in the aircraft.

"Boeing also has a growth plan for international customers to ensure that Super Hornet meets the needs of international air forces such as the Indian Air Force which may differ from US' requirements," he added.

Lall said some of the technologies offered in the roadmap are already there in the aircraft on offer to the IAF.

The roadmap will offer capabilities for enhanced survivability and enemy detection capabilities to its customers.

PTI

 

[Kunal Biswas]

RAFALE victorys over other fighters in Dogfights!!

http://www.wix.com/RafalePage/Dassault Rafale

F18/ Typhoon/ Mir-2000..

 

[Kunal Biswas]

Boeing focuses on Super Hornet technology advancement feature

(roadmap) will give the Indian Air Force flexibility over the years if they want to integrate or insert new technologies," Boeing Defence, Space and Security India head Vivek Lall told PTI here.

Boeing's F/A-18 E/F fighter aircraft is one of the six contenders in the race for supplying 126 multi-role combat aircraft to the IAF for the deal.

Lall said some of the technologies offered in the roadmap are already there in the aircraft on offer to the IAF.

The roadmap will offer capabilities for enhanced survivability and enemy detection capabilities to its customers.

PTI

F-18 is indeed a excellent fighter in A2G role but in A2A it is beaten bad by Rafale,
Rafale offer similar capabilities..

 

[EagleOne]

The official spokesman of the Indian Ministry of Defence (MoD) has downplayed media reports that France's Dassault Rafale and the Eurofighter Typhoon have emerged as favourites to win India's Medium Multi-Role Combat Aircraft (MMRCA) contest.

Speaking to Jane's on 10 August, Sitanshu Kar said no decisions have been made about the programme following the MoD's receipt of a comprehensive trial report on the six rival fighters competing for the INR420 billion (USD9.1 billion) contract.
Some media outlets in India had earlier reported that the results of the MMRCA technical evaluations, which concluded in mid-2010, had prompted the Indian Air Force (IAF) to recommend to the MoD that the shortlist be narrowed down to just two aircraft: the Rafale and Typhoon.

The other platforms competing for the 126-aircraft tender are Boeing's F/A-18E/F, Lockheed Martin's F-16IN, the Russian United Aircraft Corporation's MiG-35 and Saab's JAS 39 Gripen NG.

http://www.janes.com/news/defence/jdi/jdi100811_1_n.shtml

 

[vishalk]

according to me gripen is best solution has it is cheap, low maintainence cost, great electronic systems, best datalink capability , supercruise and can use any countrys missiles.

 

[vijay jagannathan]

Huh !!! Suddenly there is no future for the MRCA plane and its a mere void filler. 10 billion dollars for a plane with no future ??? tell me one plane in the Indian inventory which has not been service for an average of 20 years ? and will probably go on for another 10 years. its riculous to suggest that MRCA plane is a void filler. Take the example of aircraft carrier Virat. Its kept going for more than the intended time by years.

sometimes its more worthwhile to keeps the old toys in working condition rather than plummeting for every new fancy doll on the shelf. This is more often the case with IAF than an exception.

The MRCA plane is intended to replace some birds that are going to be phased out. you and I know the birds being phased out have a specific role in IAF. tHIS THEY WILL CONTINUE TO DO FOR THE BEST PART OF ( i AM 38 YEARS OLD) OUR LIVES. 126 + 60 odd planes are not void fillers.

 

[vikramrana_1812]

How is the F-16 more advanced than the Rafale and Eurofighter?

before answering your question there is a mindframe we need to set....
1. F-16 is not in the same class of Typhoon & Rafale....It is smaller and lighter so dont compare the plane on size and volume.
2. F-16 will give India the best radar among the 6 contenders.....Now u will say Rafale will develop AESA in 2012-13 and Typhonn in 2012-13....but I am talking about the current situatuin my friend...Write now it is the best radar we can get....and by 2012-13 it may improve also so it will always remain ahead in that technology because not only USA, even ISRAEL is working on to make it more deadly.
3. Low cost flying
4. pilot friendly cockpit.....The avionics installed in the cockpit is very pilot friendly making the flight less stressfull
5. Successfull track record of flights as well as Fights....
6. It is a 4.5 generation Plane with the 5th generation Avionics and warfare systems...(this is not in any of the other 5 contenders)....
7. 6th point will give India some experience on 5th Gen techs also..it will be a learning curve for IAF.....because tolearn it after 10 years is not Indian Govt or our fighter pilots wants.
8. Possible F-35 sale for Navy.....this will give indian Navy an edge above the rest...and that too very quickly...

There are many points...but before quering again on my points plese keep that in mind that I am not F-16 fan..I like Rafale and Typhoon more....the only thing is that we cannot be stubborn with what we like....We need to be a part of the STRATEGY...and STRATEGICALLY the plane WITH THE BEST AVIONICS, BETTER RADAR, more 5TH GEN WARFARE SYSTEMS will give INDIA strategic lead in the REGION and also will help our owm PROJECTS.......

And also We all know that not only F-16....BUT ALL THE PLANES IN THE WORLD THAT ARE 4 - 4.5 GEN NOW WILL NOT FLY AFTER 20 YEARS SO WHY FIGHT FOR IT....lets choose the best avionics with the best cost...

 

[luckyy]

MAG REPORT: F-16, MiG-35, Typhoon Make The Cut, While Rafale, Super Hornet & Gripen Don't​

The latest edition of India's STRATEGIC AFFAIRS magazine has the piece above, which has sources telling it that the Viper, Fulcrum and Typhoon are in, while the Hornet, Gripen and Rafale are finito in India's MMRCA competition. If you can ignore the proof-reading, what technical parameters could possibly put the F-16, MiG-35 and Typhoon above the other three?

http://livefist.blogspot.com/2010/08/mag-report-f-16-mig-35-typhoon-make-cut.html

atleast now is more then conferm that F-18 is out.......and the last two reports in jan 2010 regarding Rafale didn't pass the technical evaluations and Gripen too out of the race ...both these reports were not just smoke...there was a fair inside..

 

[SHASH2K2]

atleast now is more then conferm that F-18 is out.......and the last two reports in jan 2010 regarding Rafale didn't pass the technical evaluations and Gripen too out of the race ...both these reports were not just smoke...there was a fair inside..

If you look at future prospects F18 has much better future than F16 . They are closing production lines for F16 .