MRCA News & Dicussions (IV)

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ppgj

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@nrj

your link says the same things of the target date for the AESA to be ready - 2015 like many others.

The target in-service date for the new radar is 2015 to meet the requirements of Eurofighter Partner Nations and export customers.
like this one -

The consortium has made it clear it would begin work even without a formal agreement to ensure the 2015 fielding date needed to meet the planned in-service date for the Tranche 3B Typhoons. "The goal is to protect our export market," says one Eurofighter executive.
http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/jsp_...=Typhoon Partners Focus On Sensor% 20Upgrade

here is a nice near crash video of EF Typhoon. watch at about 0.40 sec. enjoy.

 
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it's an old new , published on 7th july 2010 ..link no working now but the news was posted by many that day...
http://www.defenceforum.in/forum/showthread.php/8975-MRCA-news-and-dicussions-Part-III/page77

MMRCA : Contenders to be eliminated this week

7 July, 2010, 2:14 pm


IAF (Indian Air Force) is all set to submit its technical evaluation committee's report by end of this week to Ministry of Defence (MOD), on basics of this report six manufactures which have offered their fighter aircraft's to Indian air force to fulfill their requirement of 126 jets will be narrowed down to four to three contenders, IAF after testing this aircraft's all over India and also after carrying out weapon testing in their home country will submit their report.

IAF to avoid any misunderstanding and legal process which might further delay acquisition of this jet will provide detail report and information on why this jets where rejected and on what basis they did not meet IAF's requirement, as per source one American jet might be axed in this round other been unknown yet.

MOD will be the one to decide which jet it wants to order and IAF will only be recommending 3 to 4 contenders which can fulfill its requirements, for first time IAF and MOD other than the price will also look into cost of operation and life cycle of the jets before making any decisions , Defence experts have already indicated that it will be more of a political decision and Price factor will play limited role in decision making .

American jet manufactures have not revised their prices and Gripen and Euro fighter manufactures have offered reduced price factor which might play an important role in decision making since recently IAF informed MOD that it cannot calculate cost of life cycle of the jets accurately.

Recently France backed out of providing Avionics kit for Sino-Pakistani JF-17 and Russia is trying to please India by not providing RD-33 engines to China which currently powers again Jf-17, these measures have been seen by Defence expert to please India.
 
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Recently France backed out of providing Avionics kit for Sino-Pakistani JF-17 and Russia is trying to please India by not providing RD-33 engines to China which currently powers again Jf-17, these measures have been seen by Defence expert to please India.
Putin sanctioned the provision of RD-93 even when India protested but when Chinese started making copy then they backed out now they are trying to use that move to push ahead Mig-35 in MRCA.
 

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two fighters performed below par.
http://sify.com/finance/eurofighter-...sbktbijac.html
the comment made by an IAF official on 2nd feb 2010.....eurofighter and gripen did trails after that....

so , it has to be two out of the rest four F-18 , F-16 , Rafale and MIG-35 ....

that means...
one among F-16 or F-18
one among Rafale or MIG-35...is going to eleminate...
 
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@NRJ

your link says the same things of the target date for the AESA to be ready - 2015 like many others.

like this one -


http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/jsp_...=Typhoon Partners Focus On Sensor% 20Upgrade
EF Typhoon won't have operational advanced AESA at least until 2015. Selex-Galileo is quite near finishing Gripen NG's swashplate AESA. However, the UK & possibly other partners want more advanced AESA than of Gripen NG. They want more power & further development scope in this new AESA. In short they want edge over the Gripen NG so delay should be expected.

Now EF lags in advanced AESA readiness & the sub-sequent A2G capability. Rafale however will score in these two areas.

PS: Thanks for the video! Like someone commented : The pilot might had to change his pants after this one! :)
 
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The Video is not a near crash .. its just a maneuvering skill.
 

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Indo-US ties defining partnership of 21st century: Senate

Read more: Indo-US ties defining partnership of 21st century: Senate - US - World - The Times of India http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...-Senate/articleshow/6269392.cms#ixzz0vuiNUbKY
WASHINGTON: Noting that US President Barack Obama considers India-US relationship as "one of the defining partnerships of the 21st century," the US senate has resolved to foster and advance the strategic partnership between the two nations.

A bipartisan resolution introduced by Republican John Cornyn and co-sponsored by Democrat Christopher Dodd, to mark the 63rd anniversary of India's independence, also celebrated "the contributions of Americans of Indian descent to society in the United States."

Noting that the first state dinner hosted by Obama was held in honour of Indian Prime Minister Manmohan Singh in November 2009, the resolution recalled the two nations "have pursued a strategic partnership based on common interests and shared commitments to freedom, democracy, pluralism, human rights, and the rule of law"

The US and India have undertaken a cooperative effort in the area of civilian nuclear power, which Congress approved through the enactment of the US-India Nuclear Cooperation Approval and Non-Proliferation Enhancement Act, it noted.

The strong relationship between the US India is based on mutual trust and respect, enables close collaboration across a broad spectrum of strategic interests, including counter-terrorism, democracy promotion, regional economic development, human rights, and scientific research, the resolution said.

The Senate resolution also acknowledged that since 2001, Indians have comprised the largest foreign student population on college campuses in the US, accounting for approximately 15 per cent of all foreign students in the country.

Noting that there are more than two million Americans of Indian descent in the United States, it acknowledged the lasting contributions to the social and economic fabric of the US made by the Indian Americans.

"Americans of Indian descent continue to enrich all sectors of public life in the United States, including as government, military, and law enforcement officials working to uphold the Constitution of the United States and to protect all people in the United States," it said.

Read more: Indo-US ties defining partnership of 21st century: Senate - US - World - The Times of India http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...-Senate/articleshow/6269392.cms#ixzz0vuiUZhCR


It seems like India could seal the deal of the 21st centuary by selecting US fighter in MMRCA...DO Mind Obama is visiting INDIA in NOV 2010....US will pressurise INDIA for MMRCA that time for sure,,....Lets wait and watch what how India cope with it.
 

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It seems like India could seal the deal of the 21st centuary by selecting US fighter in MMRCA...DO Mind Obama is visiting INDIA in NOV 2010....US will pressurise INDIA for MMRCA that time for sure,,....Lets wait and watch what how India cope with it.
Big words of partnership & friendship will be cheap in all contender's mouth now since decision is nearing. US can't pressurize India for MMRCA any way.
 

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well if USA offer f15 then we can think we can take 100 more plane beyond the MMRCA

mmrca will go for Rafael or EF

but we can take 100 more f15 planes if they want
 

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MRCA conteders narrowed to Eurofighter and Rafael: IAF

http://www.timesnow.tv/New-fighters-for-Indian-Air-Force/videoshow/4351234.cms

After exhaustive trials of six fighter jets, Indian Air Force (IAF) has made its choice clear to the Government on the kind of fighter jets needed. Frontrunners for the force are French fighter Dassault Rafale and the Eurofighter Typhoon built by the European consortium. Bernhard Gerwert, Chief, EADS, says "If you are taking into account the portfolio of EADS we can bring the bridge between civil aviation and military aviation." But the Americans and Russians have lost out. Boeing's F18 no longer a frontrunner and Sweden's Gripen too falling off the Indian radar.

Despite MiG 35s big thunder, its engine failing to impress while the F-16, according to the IAF has no future. Another reason favouring Rafale and Eurofighter is political. Thomas Matussek, German Ambassador, "We regard India as a strategic security partner and this is why we do not insist on an end user monitoring agreement period." So when the mother of all defence deals is signed for the 126 Multi-Role Combat Aircraft either Rafale or the Eurofighter will fly away with the Rs 42,000 crore deal.
 

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so rafeal or EF :emot112:
:happy_2:

hope MOD only consider this (they still stay as political)
 
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so ,

F-18 don't have trust to pull the big bird..
F-16 has no future..
MIG-35 still has engine maintanence issues..
Gripen is still underdevelopment..

IAF narrows to eurofighter or rafale....

comparing the package eurofighter offering ..

it's The Eurofighter !!
 

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Well Eurofighter brings with it a pure advantage in everything. Both Military and Civil aviation. Rafale is also good and I want it to win for obvious reasons.
 

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great news. its been a real tiresome wait all this long for a good part of this decade for all us enthusiasts and i am happy we are heading europe's way on this one. report mentioned it might be a political decision so hope that the political angle remains confined with in these two contenders and no back door entries are allowed. good to see the leak being made on this, i believe this will act as a pressure on the government to not deviate to a third contender.
 

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hawks as AJT after resolving all issues......
EADS as LCA consultence , when non other came forward.......
EADS in co-development of AESA radar for LCA...
EJ2000 for LCA...
offering india partnership in the eurofighter program..
duel use of technology..
defence leverage...
eurofighter has all..
eurofighter was serious for tyhe deal from the begining

where is rafale ?.......they can't even resolve the mirage upgrade cost issue in 4 years..
 
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great news., i believe this will act as a pressure on the government to not deviate to a third contender.
indeed , govt now need not have to go for a mental roller coaster to decide ...govt know , among eurofighter and rafale..who is offering what...?
 

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If we choose European birds then we will kill multiple birds with one stone. The Europeans are desperate to sell there weapons to Chinese, especially France which advocated the European consortium on this before. If we chose rafale and ignore Typhoon we can close the door for Chinese for a long time to come. The Typhoon deal to Chinese can be easily sabotaged as there are multiple countries involved and one key member UK has already got Hawk deal and second one Germany can get second line of submarines. US will any way not sell any weapon to Chinese and they are also well fed with orders :). Any way there is news to buy certain MiG 35 floating around, this will effectively seal the Russian door also. All in all win win situation.

Chanakya was our ancestor :)
 

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i still think we might go for one another contender may be a russia or an american...dont know but simply choosing aircraft with no strategic depth for India cant be chosen by the government
 
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