Mountain Strike Corps - 17

[Kunal Biswas]

It is a wrong report that much only can I say...

you can ask the publisher to confirm it....

Indian Artillary does not seem to have any such phenomenal 2000 X 160 mm Soltams... probably they are referring to ammunition rather than mortars..

and Kargil was not in 2007...

Bhadra Ji, Does it make sense to procure ammo only for the mortars from 1965 ?

As per the report there were 7 M58 were purchased in 2000 after 1999 kargil war..

 

[Bhadra]

Bhadra Ji, Does it make sense to procure ammo only for the mortars from 1965 ?

As per the report there were 7 M58 were purchased in 2000 after 1999 kargil war..

Kunal Ji,

Seven numbers does not make large numbers and those must be just minor replacements for earlier existing ones...

160 mm Mortars are almost out of IA as I do not find any refrence to those in Bharat Rakshak. May be it is very very bulky, has very less range as compared to guns and very easy to detect...
7 numbers barely makes a battery (company) I think...

 

[Kunal Biswas]

7 numbers barely makes a battery (company) I think...

Me either, but the number 7 can be addition to some which are already active ?

7 are purchased that is for sure as per the report..

 

[Oracle]

Major defence deals may get hit due to shortage of funds

Faced with a resource crunch, the Union defence ministry will undertake a review next month of major military projects such as plans for acquiring 126 combat aircraft and raising a Strike Corps in the northeastern sector.

The review will be carried out after an assessment is made on the performance of the economy at the end of the second quarter of this fiscal, government sources said.

The defence ministry has been allocated Rs 1.93 lakh crore for the current fiscal but it had made a demand for additional funds of more than Rs 40,000 crore for meeting its capital requirements.

Sources said the lack of funds may also affect the army's plans to raise a Mountain Strike Corps alongwith China under a Rs 64,000 crore project.

The plan has already hit a roadblock due to objections raised by the government over the accretion along the boundary with China.

The defence ministry has undertaken a major defence modernisation project under which it is planning to spend $100 billion on procurements for armed forces in the next five to ten years.

Recently, Defence Minister A K Antony also reviewed the expenditure made by the armed forces in a meeting with the three services vice chiefs, they said.

During the meeting, the defence minister was apprised about the progress made by the defence forces in their respective procurements plans.

Sources said the shortage of resources may also affect the army's plans to raise a Mountain Strike Corps alongwith China under a proposed Rs 64,000 crore project.

The plan has already hit a roadblock due to objections raised by the government over the accretion of forces along the Chinese boundary.

In recent times, the services have also been asked to priortise their procurements and avoid duplication in acquisitions.

The major Indian defence procurement programmes include the multi-billion dollar deal for procuring 126 multirole combat aircraft, over $2 billion deal for procuring six mid-air refuelling tankers, six additional C-130J Super Hercules aircraft from the US.

In recent times, the defence ministry has cleared several proposals expected to be worth over Rs 40,000 crore at the meetings of the Defence Acquistion Council.

Rediff

 

[Kunal Biswas]

Beware :

 

[bhramos]

India plans 'mountain strike' to counter China!!!

Wary of China's defence modernisation and infrastructure building in the Tibet Autonomous region, India will be raising a new formidable corps-sized formation of 30,000 infantry in the 13th Five-year Plan period that ends in 2022.

This new infantry force will be over and above the new Mountain Strike Corps with nearly 40,000 soldiers that India will raise, to act as a counter to China, in the northeastern region.

Defence Minister A K Antony revealed the raising of the force when he told Parliament this week that "30 infantry battalions are proposed to be raised in the 13th five-year plan towards enhancing combat capacity" of the 11.3-lakh-strong Indian Army.

This novel proposal is part of the Indian Army's Long-Term Integrated Perspective Plan that was given an "in principle" approval by the Antony-headed Defence Acquisition Council in April 2012.

Along with the raising of the 30 infantry battalions, the government also proposes to provide for enhancing their mobility by introducing superior vehicles with better cross country mobility.

The Army's mountain strike corps proposal for the 12th plan period, which awaits the Cabinet Committee on Security approval, is apart from the two independent infantry brigades and armoured brigades that are being raised to plug the operational gaps along the 4,057-km-long Line of Actual Control (LAC) and for building offensive capabilities against the giant neighbouring nation's powerful military.

While creating the new Mountain Strike Corps is likely to cost the government close to ` 62,000 crore spread over the 2012-17 12th five-year period, the expenditure could spill over into the 2017-22 13th five-year period too, when an additional ` 19,000 crore could be provided.

The raising of the 30 infantry battalions in the 13th five-year period could cost an equal amount, Defence Ministry officials said.

The Mountain Strike corps proposal has already been tweaked and approved by the Chiefs of Staff Committee (CoSC), which is at present headed by Indian Air Force (IAF) chief Air Chief Marshal N A K Browne and has Army chief General Bikram Singh and Navy chief Admiral D K Joshi as members.

The CoSC had been tasked to take a fresh look at the proposal which now has to pass muster at the Defence Ministry and the Finance Ministry.

India plans 'mountain strike' to counter China - The New Indian Express

 

[Sam2012]

Re: India plans 'mountain strike' to counter China!!!

Wary of China's defence modernisation and infrastructure building in the Tibet Autonomous region, India will be raising a new formidable corps-sized formation of 30,000 infantry in the 13th Five-year Plan period that ends in 2022.

This new infantry force will be over and above the new Mountain Strike Corps with nearly 40,000 soldiers that India will raise, to act as a counter to China, in the northeastern region.

Defence Minister A K Antony revealed the raising of the force when he told Parliament this week that "30 infantry battalions are proposed to be raised in the 13th five-year plan towards enhancing combat capacity" of the 11.3-lakh-strong Indian Army.

This novel proposal is part of the Indian Army's Long-Term Integrated Perspective Plan that was given an "in principle" approval by the Antony-headed Defence Acquisition Council in April 2012.

Along with the raising of the 30 infantry battalions, the government also proposes to provide for enhancing their mobility by introducing superior vehicles with better cross country mobility.

The Army's mountain strike corps proposal for the 12th plan period, which awaits the Cabinet Committee on Security approval, is apart from the two independent infantry brigades and armoured brigades that are being raised to plug the operational gaps along the 4,057-km-long Line of Actual Control (LAC) and for building offensive capabilities against the giant neighbouring nation's powerful military.

While creating the new Mountain Strike Corps is likely to cost the government close to ` 62,000 crore spread over the 2012-17 12th five-year period, the expenditure could spill over into the 2017-22 13th five-year period too, when an additional ` 19,000 crore could be provided.

The raising of the 30 infantry battalions in the 13th five-year period could cost an equal amount, Defence Ministry officials said.

The Mountain Strike corps proposal has already been tweaked and approved by the Chiefs of Staff Committee (CoSC), which is at present headed by Indian Air Force (IAF) chief Air Chief Marshal N A K Browne and has Army chief General Bikram Singh and Navy chief Admiral D K Joshi as members.

The CoSC had been tasked to take a fresh look at the proposal which now has to pass muster at the Defence Ministry and the Finance Ministry.

India plans 'mountain strike' to counter China - The New Indian Express

This will remain in papers till the present nincompoop govt is in power:thumb:

 

[rock127]

Re: India plans 'mountain strike' to counter China!!!

Wary of China's defence modernisation and infrastructure building in the Tibet Autonomous region, India will be raising a new formidable corps-sized formation of 30,000 infantry in the 13th Five-year Plan period that ends in 2022.
This new infantry force will be over and above the new Mountain Strike Corps with nearly 40,000 soldiers that India will raise, to act as a counter to China, in the northeastern region.

Defence Minister A K Antony revealed the raising of the force when he told Parliament this week that "30 infantry battalions are proposed to be raised in the 13th five-year plan towards enhancing combat capacity" of the 11.3-lakh-strong Indian Army.

This novel proposal is part of the Indian Army's Long-Term Integrated Perspective Plan that was given an "in principle" approval by the Antony-headed Defence Acquisition Council in April 2012.

Along with the raising of the 30 infantry battalions, the government also proposes to provide for enhancing their mobility by introducing superior vehicles with better cross country mobility.

The Army's mountain strike corps proposal for the 12th plan period, which awaits the Cabinet Committee on Security approval, is apart from the two independent infantry brigades and armoured brigades that are being raised to plug the operational gaps along the 4,057-km-long Line of Actual Control (LAC) and for building offensive capabilities against the giant neighbouring nation's powerful military.While creating the new Mountain Strike Corps is likely to cost the government close to ` 62,000 crore spread over the 2012-17 12th five-year period, the expenditure could spill over into the 2017-22 13th five-year period too, when an additional ` 19,000 crore could be provided.

The raising of the 30 infantry battalions in the 13th five-year period could cost an equal amount, Defence Ministry officials said.The Mountain Strike corps proposal has already been tweaked and approved by the Chiefs of Staff Committee (CoSC), which is at present headed by Indian Air Force (IAF) chief Air Chief Marshal N A K Browne and has Army chief General Bikram Singh and Navy chief Admiral D K Joshi as members.

The CoSC had been tasked to take a fresh look at the proposal which now has to pass muster at the Defence Ministry and the Finance Ministry.India plans 'mountain strike' to counter China - The New Indian Express

So it would take almost 10 years for the mountain strike corps to be operational???

 

[Payeng]

Re: India plans 'mountain strike' to counter China!!!

This will remain in papers till the present nincompoop govt is in power:thumb:

So it would take almost 10 years for the mountain strike corps to be operational???

Not sure how much time it takes to raise a new crops but you should know this in very much out of paper and on process no matter what ever is published in news

 

[Yusuf]

Re: India plans 'mountain strike' to counter China!!!

So it would take almost 10 years for the mountain strike corps to be operational???

It can't be raised in a couple of days can it?

 

[Kunal Biswas]

Re: India plans 'mountain strike' to counter China!!!

It will take 20 years with present system..

1. 2 Million men need to be recruited, trained..
2. Need accommodation, Ranges, Infrastructures..
3. There is an issue with Rifles, As INSAS manufacturing line is closed as there are no further orders & New RFI can be cancelled due to bribery charges, Even if not it will take some serious time to distribute new rifles among troops that should be 4-8 million with spares..

4. There is need for 105mm cannon and 155mm cannon, Home made so does imported..
5. New Armored regiment will be raised but tanks are no where in sight yet, Will hope full 100 tanks will be imported or some Desi solution which are many as we are running on low buget..

There is hell lot more..

 

[Kunal Biswas]

Thread merged..

 

[rock127]

Re: India plans 'mountain strike' to counter China!!!

It can't be raised in a couple of days can it?

Yeah... we always like to be caught with our pants down

 

[Bhadra]

Re: India plans 'mountain strike' to counter China!!!

It will take 20 years with present system..

1. 2 Million men need to be recruited, trained..
2. Need accommodation, Ranges, Infrastructures..
3. There is an issue with Rifles, As INSAS manufacturing line is closed as there are no further orders & New RFI can be cancelled due to bribery charges, Even if not it will take some serious time to distribute new rifles among troops that should be 4-8 million with spares..

4. There is need for 105mm cannon and 155mm cannon, Home made so does imported..
5. New Armored regiment will be raised but tanks are no where in sight yet, Will hope full 100 tanks will be imported or some Desi solution which are many as we are running on low buget..

There is hell lot more..

How have you worked out those figures when news papers have been quoting 70,000 troops ?

Well Army was able to raise two mountain divisions in 4 to 5 years time with complete support system....

Give me money I will raise the mountain corps in five years to be operationally fit.

Then call them "Bal Bhadra Corps"....

 

[Kunal Biswas]

As an Open View on Light tank and 155mm FG, Options :

Light tanks : Imported & National

Imported >>

Anders

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National >>

BMP based 105mm light tank

Note : Anders provide every thing that IA wants and Upto date tank, Even it is more modern than most MBTs today though it will be modified with BEML, BEML is recently got under fraud charges specially Infamous Tatra case, As about DRDO light tank It need new platform which have wider tracks to have heavy turret with 125/120mm gun, A new design..

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Field Gun & Howitzers : Imported & National

Imported >>

155mm M777 of 39cal

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National >>

FH-77 based OFB 155MM of 45CAL Gun

Note : M777 is a light gun but 39cal, India will buy around 500 of these its light and can be airlifted by MI-17, It has issues with loading as its manual, It does not have APU to move around it has to be manual too, About as OFB 155mm Cannon its a 45cal cannon with range of 40kms with ordinary round, It is heavy and Big and can be lifted by MI-26 which are very few in IAF, It has APU to move around and can be operational in mountain areas..

 

[Kunal Biswas]

Re: India plans 'mountain strike' to counter China!!!

I read that in earlier News reports Only, About the rest..

Best of luck

How have you worked out those figures when news papers have been quoting 70,000 troops ?

Well Army was able to raise two mountain divisions in 4 to 5 years time with complete support system....

Give me money I will raise the mountain corps in five years to be operationally fit.

Then call them "Bal Bhadra Corps"....

 

[LalTopi]

Financial Times FT reports that the strike corps has received (final?) approval

India to add 50,000 troops to protect China border
By Victor Mallet in New Delhi
India will create a new army corps of 50,000 troops to protect its border with China, in the latest sign that New Delhi sees China as a more significant long-term military threat than Pakistan.
The creation of the so-called mountain strike corps, which would cost some $11bn over seven years, was approved by the cabinet committee on security, according to official sources quoted by the Press Trust of India. India has 1.3m active troops.
No announcement was made by the committee, which is chaired by Prime Minister Manmohan Singh and includes the ministers of defence, home affairs, foreign affairs and finance. But Indian officials and defence analysts said the new corps had been approved in principle after years of discussion.
"The idea of getting an offensive capability vis a vis China on the land borders is something India has been toying with since 1962," said Uday Bhaskar, an expert at the Society for Policy Studies, a New Delhi-based think-tank, referring to the China-India war of that year. "The political green signal has been given. Now the bunfight for funds will start."
Palaniappan Chidambaram, finance minister, is struggling to cut the country's budget deficit, and it is unclear how quickly the money will be made available for the new force.
"It'll take years and years before they get up to speed on this," said one official in New Delhi.
Rumel Dahiya, a retired brigadier who is deputy director-general of the Institute for Defence Studies and Analyses, agreed that financing the creation and running of the new corps would be an issue.
"As far as implementation is concerned, primarily it's a function of the economy," he said. "That's a huge amount of money."
Earlier this year, Indian ministers were shaken by a Chinese incursion 18km into what had previously been seen as Indian-controlled territory in Ladakh in Kashmir.
About 30 People's Liberation Army soldiers camped on the Indian side of the "Line of Actual Control" along the disputed Himalayan border. They left after three weeks, shortly before a visit to India by Chinese Premier Li Keqiang. India had threatened to take "every possible step" to defend its interests.
The strike force will be focused on the eastern end of the frontier to guard Arunachal Pradesh, an Indian state claimed in its entirety by China. But analysts said this year's border dispute in Kashmir to the west could have accelerated the cabinet committee's decision.
"The recent incursion may have been a trigger"‰."‰."‰."‰this might have been a tipping point," said Mr Bhaskar.
Military analysts say the new corps would have to be equipped with light artillery and helicopters to deal with the mountainous terrain. India is militarily weaker than China, but the strike corps would theoretically allow it to mount counteroffensives and so give New Delhi a little more leverage in negotiations with Beijing.

India to add 50,000 troops to protect China border - FT.com

 

[Kunal Biswas]

Why our Media has a big mouth.. ?

 

[W.G.Ewald]

Why our Media has a big mouth.. ?

Also note the sources for the article. Who might they be?

The creation of the so-called mountain strike corps, which would cost some $11bn over seven years, was approved by the cabinet committee on security, according to official sources quoted by the Press Trust of India. India has 1.3m active troops.

 

[LalTopi]

Why our Media has a big mouth.. ?

UK FT quoting Press Trust of India.
FT usually quite good, but I have no experience of PTI.