More Talwar Class for Indian Navy

[arnabmit]

@Kunal Biswas

The Indian Navy provides the army and the IAF with daily reminders of the benefits of indigenisation. With the same R&D base, the same feeble defence industry and the same defence ministry the navy has canalised its meagre allocation of 18 per cent of the defence budget into genuine indigenisation. Today, 43 warships are being built in Indian yards, with just two being built abroad. Initial warships were significantly below global standards. But the navy accepted those, building up industry and creating the capability to deliver warships that are currently up to regional, if not global, standards.

 

[Kunal Biswas]

I am going to leave this here..

I am going to leave a example :

One should not always relay on drug to fight off disease he has to make up his own immune system to fight off diseases, apparently our system is addicted to drugs which wont stay in long run rather these same drugs will kill it, this need to be reminded to those who have forgotten that our immune system is more important than Drugs..

 

[Patriot]

I am going to leave this here..

Well said Kunal. Drugs can be effective only if immune system works.

 

[natarajan]

but once we get disease we need drugs first to get rid of it and parallel y we can build immune system,it cant be build in a day

 

[ladder]

Moscow hopes to build more warships for Indian Navy

Moscow and New Delhi are negotiating the construction of more frigates for the Indian Navy, Anatoly Isaikin, director general of Russia's biggest arms trader, Rosoboronexport, said here on Tuesday at the 18th international exhibition of internal state security Milipol 2013.
"We hope to sign a new contract for the construction of project 11356 frigates for the Indian Navy," he said. "So far, there is none. But we hope for such a contract, and time will show in which format. It could be a joint production, or supplies of ready-made products."
By now, Russia has built and handed over to the Indian Navy six project 11356 frigates, in two batches. The three frigates of the second batch were equipped with the BraMos Russian-Indian missile system, whereas the first three frigates of the 11356 project were equipped with the Russian-made missile systems Club.
The six project 11356 frigates were highly assessed by the Indian military.

Moscow hopes to build more warships for Indian Navy | Russia & India Report

 

[natarajan]

3billion dollar is too high for 3 ships ,atleast we should get six at this price

 

[ladder]

3billion dollar is too high for 3 ships ,atleast we should get six at this price

Price is just a speculation at this point of time.

 

[rohit b3]

If they order more Talwar Class now, instead of pusing the Project 17A or atleast making more Shivalik Class.....im moving out of India..LOL

 

[rugved]

Price is just a speculation at this point of time.

Which will just rise with inflation. Even I think $3 billion is too much for only 3 ships.

 

[mikhail]

Russia is going to get a fresh order of building three more Talwar-class stealth frigates for India later this year which is likely to be worth $3 billion. The frigates have substantially enhanced Indian Navy's firepower in the region mainly because of their stealth capabilities.
Knowledgeable sources told RIR that the Indians have already orally conveyed their in-principle decision to Russia to construct three more Talwar-class frigates. A formal contract is likely to be signed after Russia delivers to India the third and final Talwar-class stealth frigate INS Trikand, being built at the Yantar shipyard in Russia. The delivery is expected in June 2013.
The game-changer aspect of the Talwar class frigates is its stealth technology and a special hull design. These features enable the Talwar class frigates to be extremely useful in a wide range of missions like finding and eliminating enemy submarines and large surface ships. The Talwar-class frigates are the first Indian Navy warships to have stealth features.
What the Fresh Deal May Entail
Sources in the Indian defence establishment said the mood is quite upbeat about the successful Talwar-class frigates experiment and once the current cycle gets completed after the delivery of INS Trikand, the Indian Navy will take a call on issuing a formal order to Russia.
The new set of frigates will be more technologically advanced and each of the next three Talwar-class frigates will be equipped with BrahMos missiles. The existing Talwar-class boats and the upcoming INS Trikand are not BrahMos-equipped because they were designed before the BrahMos naval variant could be developed.
Therefore the greatest USP of the upcoming order for three more Talwar-class frigates would be that for the first time these frigates will be fitted with BrahMos. "This is the single most important reason why the Russians don't really have to worry whether they are going to get this order or not," a source said on condition of anonymity.
Likely irritants
It is a question of when, not if, Russia would be getting the fresh order for the Talwar-class frigates. The Indians would pitch for inclusion of a financial penalties clause for Russian failure to meet delivery deadlines. The Indians are unhappy that the Russians invariably fail to meet the delivery deadlines and eventually jack up the prices too.
The same problem has been witnessed in the Talwar-class frigates episode. Though the boats are doing well, the delivery deadline was pushed back by one year or so for all the vessels. Even INS Trikand was scheduled to be delivered to India by April 2012.
Russia will have to streamline its procedures and remove recurring problems of delays and price hikes. In December 2010, Russian shipbuilding plant Yantar had asked Russia's state arms exporter, Rosoboronexport, for an additional $100 million to complete construction of the three frigates for the Indian Navy. However, in this case it was an internal problem relating to VAT refund and the Russians this time did not jack up the already negotiated price.
Staggered Payment
Another good thing from the Russian point of view is that it would be a government-to-government dealing wherein floating of global tender will not be required.
Stung by the Agusta Westland VVIP helicopters scandal, the Indian Ministry of Defence is likely to stipulate a stringent and transparent payment schedule. In the case of Agusta Westland deal, the MoD was flustered when it realized that only India stood to lose if it were to scrap the chopper deal because the Italian company had been paid more than fifty percent of the total amount though just about 33 percent of the work had been done.
Therefore, the contract for the new deal would focus on staggered payments after a mutually agreeable advance payment is made.
India had awarded a $1.6 billion contract to the Yantar shipyard in 2006 to build three modified Talwar class for the Indian Navy. The final trials of INS Trikand have already started in the Baltic Sea. Yantar shipyard spokesman Sergei Mikhailov has been quoted in a recent RIA Novosti report as saying that INS Trikand was cleared for final state trials on April 4, 2013 which should be completed by this month end.
The Indian Navy got a major fillip to its firepower with the arrival of its latest acquisition INS Tarkash at Mumbai on December 27, 2012. Built by the Yantar Shipyard, Kaliningrad, Russia, INS Tarkash was second of three project 1135.6 (follow-on Talwar class) ships ordered by Indian Navy, the first being INS Teg which joined the fleet in June 2012.
What Makes Talwar Class Frigates Formidable
These ships, a modification of Krivak III class Russian frigates, are designed to carry and operate one heavy duty early warning helicopter which can provide over-the-horizon targeting. The Talwar-class frigates can also have the indigenously built Dhruv light combat helicopter.
The frigate's efficacy in anti-submarine warfare can be gauged by the fact that its RPK-8 rocket system has a firing range from 600 to 4300 metres and the depth of engagement of up to 1000 metres.
Its combat data system independently generates combat missions based on situation analysis, determines optimal number of missile firings, displays information on the state of ship-borne weaponry and transmits data to protection systems.
The Talwar-class frigate is armed with a new 3M-54 Klub attack anti-ship system with a vertical missile launcher. This anti-ship system is an 8.22 meters (27 ft) long missile using active radar guidance with a range of 220 kilometres. It is a three-stage missile in which the terminal stage reaches supersonic velocity (Mach 2.9) when it is approximately 20 km (12 miles) from its target.
India to spend $3 billion for 3 more Talwar-class frigates | Russia & India Report
Guys is it true that the I.N. will order 3 more Krivak-IV class frigates from Russia!I have read this news in some other websites also,so there must be some talks regarding this matter between the Indian and the Russian authorities.I wonder why we are going for more Krivak class frigates when we can indigenously develop more Shivalik class frigated in India itself.
@pmaitra sir, @Ray sir, @Kunal Biswas sir, @rock127, @@brahmos, @Twinblade, @AVERAGE INDIAN, @Neil, @Yusuf sir, @Sea Eagle

 

[ladder]

That is a year old article that you are quoting, we had discussed that in DFI when it appeared last year. I haven't seen any movement on the contract since then.

 

[mikhail]

That is a year old article that you are quoting, we had discussed that in DFI when it appeared last year. I haven't seen any movement on the contract since then.

Okay my bad,i actually saw this article today and thought that we could have a discussion on this here

 

[ladder]

Okay my bad,i actually saw this article today and thought that we could have a discussion on this here

http://defenceforumindia.com/forum/...3-billion-3-more-talwar-class-frigates-3.html

Here is the link.

There is nothing wrong as such, we have missed tons of things worth discussing from last year.

Cheers.

 

[Kunal Biswas]

Waste of money on something inferior to our own product, What we must do is to hire foreign shipyards to produce our own design if our own is busy ..

 

[vram]

@Kunal Biswas LOL we had this huge discussion last year about these orders and they are still not placed?
God forbid the price would have gone beyond 3 billion now...
Also It makes no lick of sense to go for a class of ship that is already present when we have bigger and more potent vessels in the making but not yet completed.
My biggest grouse is that they have not got the MR-SAM or the Brahmos -2 even close to installtion in the Kolkata class.

 

[Lions Of Punjab]

http://idrw.org/india-keen-on-new-shtil-1-sams-for-navy/

SOURCE: RIA Novosti.

India has shown interest in buying the new Shtil-1 naval surface to air missile (SAM) systems, being installed on frigates 11356 project, Maxim Kuzyuk, Tekhnodinamika General Director, told RIA Novosti.

“Now everyone is waiting for the state testing of the first ship of the ‘Admiral series’ (project 11356) to be complete. That is when the new SAM will be accepted into service with the Russian Navy, after which it will be possible to deliver it overseas. Today India has shown interest in acquiring the new Shtil. We are discussing deliveries as part of the upgrade of old vessels and the construction of new ones,” Kuzyuk said.

India has already received six ships of a similar class to 11356, but they were equipped with an old model of the Shtil, which can launch once every 12 seconds, while the new Shtil-1 can launch once every 1.5-2 seconds.

The Shtil-1 may also interest China, whose forces are armed with the old version of the SAM.

“China has six project 956 destroyers which are armed with the Shtil. Russia also has such vessels. Repairing the old SAMs is meaningless. Therefore, in the future, the current upgrade may interest not only the Russian Navy, but also our Chinese partners,” said Kuzyuk.

Launch and ground equipment for the medium range Shtil-1 SAM is produced at the scientific-manufacturing enterprise “Start” (which is part of the Tekhnodinamika holding). The system is designed to engage all the modern means of air attack at medium range and at altitudes from five meters to 15 kilometers. A distinctive feature of the system is the use of the updated surface-to-air missile with a vertical start, and the use of multi-function radar with phased array antennas.The Project 11356 frigates (being built at the Yantar ship docks in Kaliningrad on the Baltic Sea) are designed to carry out military operations in the ocean against enemy submarines, and to resist aerial attack, both independently and as part of a convoy of ships. At present there are six Project 11356 frigates being built for the Black Sea Fleet, which are to be launched by 2016.

 

[Lions Of Punjab]

This news looks similar to the one published for Armata tanks . Mentioning both India and China as interested participant .

 

[jackprince]

This news looks similar to the one published for Armata tanks . Mentioning both India and China as interested participant .

In case IN atleast we can be much assured that if the purchase proposal comes, it would be genuine. Further, the huge increase in rate of fire, if ture, is indeed a great improvement and should be installed in place of older systems, as the updated systems will always cost far less than a ship.

 

[Zebra]

India has shown interest in buying the new Shtil-1 naval surface to air missile (SAM) systems....

If really it is true then why can't we get news reports from Indian sources.

 

[blueblood]

It makes no sense whatsoever. New warships are/will be installed with Barak-8 systems and older ones will be retrofitted. Need for Shtil-1 is over.