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Nothing Surprising
The Amount of money we committed or need to be committed
Other project is huge
It's not feasible to spend 20 billion $ in one
Project
Money
is saved need
To be invested in Turbofan
Engine development
ITCM engine
Drones
AMCA and MWF
And HGV and SSBN and SSN
Etc
The Amount of money we committed or need to be committed
Other project is huge
It's not feasible to spend 20 billion $ in one
Project
Money
is saved needTo be invested in Turbofan
Engine development
ITCM engine
Drones
AMCA and MWF
And HGV and SSBN and SSN
Etc
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I believe it would be much more convenient if we go for 57 aircrafts and negotiate for a dedicated MRO hub for ourselves. we will finally be done with it and can move onto other programs. lets end this MRFA saga once and for all.
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MRFA Rafale Assembly
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IAF to vault Multi Role Fighter Aircraft Program under Buy Global, Make India; 114 Aircraft in the pipeline intact
IAF’s mega $20 billion Multi Role Fighter Aircraft (MRFA) project is under the debate again. On the criticality of depleting number of squadrons and against the lurking threats from the Northern and Western adversaries, the MRFA is under consideration to be placed on fast track under the ‘Buy Global, Make in India’, proposing a shift from strategic partnership model. While as a matter of fact, the number of combat aircraft which is originally marked for the acquisition remains—114. As assessed, there is no plan to reduce the number of aircraft under MRFA.
IAF’s mega $20 billion Multi Role Fighter Aircraft (MRFA) project is under debate again. Against the fast-depleting squadron of Indian Air Force, the MRFA program which is about acquiring 114 Multi-Role Fighter Aircraft is one such program Indian Armed Forces and Government attach utmost importance to. On the criticality of such serious concern and against the lurking threats from the Northern and Western adversaries, the MRFA is under consideration to be placed on fast track under the ‘Buy Global, Make in India’, proposing a shift from strategic partnership model. Assessed upon the fact, the number of combat aircraft which was originally marked for the acquisition remains—114. The assessment is based on factual analysis with highly placed experts on the matter. The talk of cutting down the number of aircraft is not a viable option in the emerging scenario where the Indian Air Force has already projected 500 combat jets in near future to be able to maintain critical air power.
Last year, Chief of Air Staff (CAS), Air Chief Marshal VR Chaudhari added the element of ‘make in India’ to the project MRFA emphatically and announced that the ambitious procurement must embrace indigenisation. The competition is intense with world leading OEMs are in fray for the MRFA, including Lockheed Martin’s F-21, Boeing’s Super Hornet F/A-18 E/F, Dassault’s Rafale, Saab’s Gripen JAS-39 E/F, Russian MiG-35 and SU-35, and the European consortium led Eurofighter Typhoon. Along with them, Boeing is also mulling to offer its upgraded F-15EX which was approved by the US government for India. Beyond the intense competition the quest for 114 fighter jets has seen the tumultuous and torturous journey, calling it a never-ending saga of high ambitions on low trajectory. The quest has been about laying ground for aerospace ecosystems of advanced capabilities within the country which has seen some success in taking LCA Tejas off the ground over the many decades of trials and tribulations. MRFA is based on the idea of expanding such ground, assimilating advanced technologies from the world of aerospace and defence which could be designed and built in India.
The IAF first floated the Medium Multi-Role Combat Aircraft (MMRCA) tender to procure 126 new combat jets from foreign OEMs in 2007. It was proposed to continue building upon the capabilities and keeping the sanctioned strength of combat jets as the Light Combat Aircraft (LCA) Tejas, a planned indigenous replacement for the IAF’s aging fleet, needed more time to be able to fill the gaps. In 2012, the Eurofighter Typhoon and Dassault Rafale emerged as final contenders with Rafale winning the competition for the contract but the program couldn’t take off due to certain clauses over the contractual guarantee and other disagreement with the selected OEM. Finally, in 2015, the project MMRCA was cancelled. Under the circumstances as severe for IAF to maintain the operational capabilities, the Government instead decided to acquire 36 Rafales in fly-by condition from the French entity Dassault’s. This was formalised under the government-to-government deal which is to make procurement much faster and deployable.
In 2018, the government put out a new plan which is rechristened as ‘MMRCA 2.0’, by floating a Request for Information (RFI) for the procurement of 114 MRFA.
Air power and Capability gaps
A look at the geopolitics and global conflicts gives the clear indication that aerial dimension of warfare has established unprecedented superiority. The next generation technological breakthroughs in aerial warfare are already unfolding in sheer magnitude and in the shape of unmanned systems, hypersonic combat aircraft and laser energy weapons. It is almost redefining the concept of modern warfare in air and in space. How does IAF embrace such a shift in terms of evolving threats and capability?
The IAF has currently planned for 83 LCA, 70 HTT-40, two Sqns of AMCA Mk-I and five Sqns of AMCA MK-II. Additionally, the order for LCH and other developments in the helicopter fleet will provide for 400/450 aircraft. In the long term IAF will have the LCA version AMCA and MRFA in its flight line along with 56 C-295 for tactical airlift. Nowhere in the world is such a commitment of 450 aircraft made. This depicts IAF’s plan for capability building.
Last year, in an exclusive interaction with the author, Air Chief Marshal Chaudhari spelt out his thoughts on building and acquiring such capabilities, said: “In the long term IAF will have LCA version AMCA and MRFA in its flight line along with 56 C-295 for tactical airlift. Nowhere in the world is such a commitment of 450 aircraft made. This depicts IAF’s plan for capability building.”
But dichotomy remains on bridging the capability gaps in building an advanced aerospace base for such next generation combat jets against the faster acquisition of such airassets amid depleting squadron numbers. How do we address the factors like joint production and tech development with OEMs in India? So, in depleting squadron number or technology is priority or balance timeline?
But the question is largely not about the policy uptick and the shift of the ‘Strategic Partnership (SP)’ model to ‘Buy Global, Make in India’ category under Defence Acquisition Procedure (DAP) 2020. It is about laying ground for a capability building roadmap and that is about leveraging the project MRFA for substantial technological gains and building systems and subsystems of global standards. India’s aerospace ecosystem is ticking for tech flows across the dimensions for next generation combat jets. It is also about taking a good leap in our manufacturing technology which we have learned over the years for LCA Tejas. Besides the number of aircraft, the focus for IAF remains on the need for next generation tech ready for the future conflicts. The advancement across the spectrum of aerospace is breaking boundaries in areas like stealth, speed, electronic and sensor suite and networked platforms on quantum combat cloud, teaming with unmanned aerial systems with greater firepower. Besides the security dimension, the MRFA project worth $20 billion makes a compelling case for India in terms of the economy of scale when we have the ability to design, develop and produce 5 to 6 generation fighter jets.
At present, Tejas Mk1 FOC version aircrafts are under delivery by HAL. The production of LCA Mk 1A is likely to commence by 2023-2024. The LCA Mk-1A will have better capabilities with indigenous technologies such as AESA Radar, Integrated Electronic Warfare (EW) Suite, Long Range Beyond Visual Range (BVR) missile, Air to Air Refuelling with better maintainability and avionics suite.
Another breakthrough project, AMCA program by Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) and IAF was conducted in Aug 2020, while the Critical Design Review is being looked into. DRDO) along with active support of IAF, is working towards development of Next Generation Technology Demonstrator. Such complex projects need the greater flow and collaboration with the global innovators from the world of aerospace and defence manufacturing.
At present, Tejas Mk1 FOC version aircrafts are under delivery by HAL. The production of LCA Mk 1A is likely to commence by 2023-2024. The LCA Mk-1A will have better capabilities with indigenous technologies such as AESA Radar, Integrated Electronic Warfare (EW) Suite, Long Range Beyond Visual Range (BVR) missile, Air to Air Refuelling with better maintainability and avionics suite.
Another breakthrough project, AMCA program by Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) and IAF was conducted in Aug 2020, while the Critical Design Review is being looked into. DRDO) along with active support of IAF, is working towards development of Next Generation Technology Demonstrator. Such complex projects need the greater flow and collaboration with the global innovators from the world of aerospace and defence manufacturing.
As IAF Chief VR Chaudhari again pointed out to the author during the interaction last year, remarked: “IAF envisages AMCA to encompass state of the art design and better multi role capability with infusion of 6th Gen technologies. The experience of producing LCA will influence the design of AMCA to suit operational requirements of the future.”
But the most important aspect of MRFA is the possibilities for acquiring and developing elusive jet engine technology. The depth of negotiation lies in addressing such gaps whether under the ‘SP’ model or Buy Global, Make in India. In totality, the need is to address the suitable jet engine for projected 500 fighter aircraft for India’s next generation Advance Medium Combat Aircraft & Tejas Mk-2. What is lacking for India is the elusive jet engine capability. While the DRDO project on military gas turbines has achieved certain Technology Readiness Level (TRL) in producing crucial propulsion systems for unmanned aerial vehicles & weapon platforms along with long range weapon delivery systems, jet engines remain a complex task. As G. Satheesh Reddy, Secretary DDR&D & Chairman explained: “As you are aware, these engines are denied by global OEMs for strategic applications.” The international outreach in this case will enable India to jointly develop under the open architecture matrix, having full access and rights of the aeroengine.
It is worth noting that China is already upgrading upon J-20 and J-31 aircrafts and working on the new fighter jets with sixth generation capabilities in areas across stealth capability with hypersonic weapons. China is taking the lead on the aerial dimension of Laser and precision warfare capabilities based on AI.
Clarity is the key to make substantial progress on crucial projects like MRFA. Policy conundrum that blocks the time frame defeats the purpose. The proposed 114 MRFA needs to pass through such trails to build an advanced aerospace industrial base and IAF to cement its formidable position in aerial warfare.
IAF’s mega $20 billion Multi Role Fighter Aircraft (MRFA) project is under the debate again. On the criticality of depleting number of squadrons and against the lurking threats from the Northern and Western adversaries, the MRFA is under consideration to be placed on fast track under the ‘Buy Global, Make in India’, proposing a shift from strategic partnership model. While as a matter of fact, the number of combat aircraft which is originally marked for the acquisition remains—114. As assessed, there is no plan to reduce the number of aircraft under MRFA.
IAF’s mega $20 billion Multi Role Fighter Aircraft (MRFA) project is under debate again. Against the fast-depleting squadron of Indian Air Force, the MRFA program which is about acquiring 114 Multi-Role Fighter Aircraft is one such program Indian Armed Forces and Government attach utmost importance to. On the criticality of such serious concern and against the lurking threats from the Northern and Western adversaries, the MRFA is under consideration to be placed on fast track under the ‘Buy Global, Make in India’, proposing a shift from strategic partnership model. Assessed upon the fact, the number of combat aircraft which was originally marked for the acquisition remains—114. The assessment is based on factual analysis with highly placed experts on the matter. The talk of cutting down the number of aircraft is not a viable option in the emerging scenario where the Indian Air Force has already projected 500 combat jets in near future to be able to maintain critical air power.
Last year, Chief of Air Staff (CAS), Air Chief Marshal VR Chaudhari added the element of ‘make in India’ to the project MRFA emphatically and announced that the ambitious procurement must embrace indigenisation. The competition is intense with world leading OEMs are in fray for the MRFA, including Lockheed Martin’s F-21, Boeing’s Super Hornet F/A-18 E/F, Dassault’s Rafale, Saab’s Gripen JAS-39 E/F, Russian MiG-35 and SU-35, and the European consortium led Eurofighter Typhoon. Along with them, Boeing is also mulling to offer its upgraded F-15EX which was approved by the US government for India. Beyond the intense competition the quest for 114 fighter jets has seen the tumultuous and torturous journey, calling it a never-ending saga of high ambitions on low trajectory. The quest has been about laying ground for aerospace ecosystems of advanced capabilities within the country which has seen some success in taking LCA Tejas off the ground over the many decades of trials and tribulations. MRFA is based on the idea of expanding such ground, assimilating advanced technologies from the world of aerospace and defence which could be designed and built in India.
The IAF first floated the Medium Multi-Role Combat Aircraft (MMRCA) tender to procure 126 new combat jets from foreign OEMs in 2007. It was proposed to continue building upon the capabilities and keeping the sanctioned strength of combat jets as the Light Combat Aircraft (LCA) Tejas, a planned indigenous replacement for the IAF’s aging fleet, needed more time to be able to fill the gaps. In 2012, the Eurofighter Typhoon and Dassault Rafale emerged as final contenders with Rafale winning the competition for the contract but the program couldn’t take off due to certain clauses over the contractual guarantee and other disagreement with the selected OEM. Finally, in 2015, the project MMRCA was cancelled. Under the circumstances as severe for IAF to maintain the operational capabilities, the Government instead decided to acquire 36 Rafales in fly-by condition from the French entity Dassault’s. This was formalised under the government-to-government deal which is to make procurement much faster and deployable.
In 2018, the government put out a new plan which is rechristened as ‘MMRCA 2.0’, by floating a Request for Information (RFI) for the procurement of 114 MRFA.
Air power and Capability gaps
A look at the geopolitics and global conflicts gives the clear indication that aerial dimension of warfare has established unprecedented superiority. The next generation technological breakthroughs in aerial warfare are already unfolding in sheer magnitude and in the shape of unmanned systems, hypersonic combat aircraft and laser energy weapons. It is almost redefining the concept of modern warfare in air and in space. How does IAF embrace such a shift in terms of evolving threats and capability?
The IAF has currently planned for 83 LCA, 70 HTT-40, two Sqns of AMCA Mk-I and five Sqns of AMCA MK-II. Additionally, the order for LCH and other developments in the helicopter fleet will provide for 400/450 aircraft. In the long term IAF will have the LCA version AMCA and MRFA in its flight line along with 56 C-295 for tactical airlift. Nowhere in the world is such a commitment of 450 aircraft made. This depicts IAF’s plan for capability building.
Last year, in an exclusive interaction with the author, Air Chief Marshal Chaudhari spelt out his thoughts on building and acquiring such capabilities, said: “In the long term IAF will have LCA version AMCA and MRFA in its flight line along with 56 C-295 for tactical airlift. Nowhere in the world is such a commitment of 450 aircraft made. This depicts IAF’s plan for capability building.”
But dichotomy remains on bridging the capability gaps in building an advanced aerospace base for such next generation combat jets against the faster acquisition of such airassets amid depleting squadron numbers. How do we address the factors like joint production and tech development with OEMs in India? So, in depleting squadron number or technology is priority or balance timeline?
But the question is largely not about the policy uptick and the shift of the ‘Strategic Partnership (SP)’ model to ‘Buy Global, Make in India’ category under Defence Acquisition Procedure (DAP) 2020. It is about laying ground for a capability building roadmap and that is about leveraging the project MRFA for substantial technological gains and building systems and subsystems of global standards. India’s aerospace ecosystem is ticking for tech flows across the dimensions for next generation combat jets. It is also about taking a good leap in our manufacturing technology which we have learned over the years for LCA Tejas. Besides the number of aircraft, the focus for IAF remains on the need for next generation tech ready for the future conflicts. The advancement across the spectrum of aerospace is breaking boundaries in areas like stealth, speed, electronic and sensor suite and networked platforms on quantum combat cloud, teaming with unmanned aerial systems with greater firepower. Besides the security dimension, the MRFA project worth $20 billion makes a compelling case for India in terms of the economy of scale when we have the ability to design, develop and produce 5 to 6 generation fighter jets.
At present, Tejas Mk1 FOC version aircrafts are under delivery by HAL. The production of LCA Mk 1A is likely to commence by 2023-2024. The LCA Mk-1A will have better capabilities with indigenous technologies such as AESA Radar, Integrated Electronic Warfare (EW) Suite, Long Range Beyond Visual Range (BVR) missile, Air to Air Refuelling with better maintainability and avionics suite.
Another breakthrough project, AMCA program by Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) and IAF was conducted in Aug 2020, while the Critical Design Review is being looked into. DRDO) along with active support of IAF, is working towards development of Next Generation Technology Demonstrator. Such complex projects need the greater flow and collaboration with the global innovators from the world of aerospace and defence manufacturing.
At present, Tejas Mk1 FOC version aircrafts are under delivery by HAL. The production of LCA Mk 1A is likely to commence by 2023-2024. The LCA Mk-1A will have better capabilities with indigenous technologies such as AESA Radar, Integrated Electronic Warfare (EW) Suite, Long Range Beyond Visual Range (BVR) missile, Air to Air Refuelling with better maintainability and avionics suite.
Another breakthrough project, AMCA program by Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) and IAF was conducted in Aug 2020, while the Critical Design Review is being looked into. DRDO) along with active support of IAF, is working towards development of Next Generation Technology Demonstrator. Such complex projects need the greater flow and collaboration with the global innovators from the world of aerospace and defence manufacturing.
As IAF Chief VR Chaudhari again pointed out to the author during the interaction last year, remarked: “IAF envisages AMCA to encompass state of the art design and better multi role capability with infusion of 6th Gen technologies. The experience of producing LCA will influence the design of AMCA to suit operational requirements of the future.”
But the most important aspect of MRFA is the possibilities for acquiring and developing elusive jet engine technology. The depth of negotiation lies in addressing such gaps whether under the ‘SP’ model or Buy Global, Make in India. In totality, the need is to address the suitable jet engine for projected 500 fighter aircraft for India’s next generation Advance Medium Combat Aircraft & Tejas Mk-2. What is lacking for India is the elusive jet engine capability. While the DRDO project on military gas turbines has achieved certain Technology Readiness Level (TRL) in producing crucial propulsion systems for unmanned aerial vehicles & weapon platforms along with long range weapon delivery systems, jet engines remain a complex task. As G. Satheesh Reddy, Secretary DDR&D & Chairman explained: “As you are aware, these engines are denied by global OEMs for strategic applications.” The international outreach in this case will enable India to jointly develop under the open architecture matrix, having full access and rights of the aeroengine.
It is worth noting that China is already upgrading upon J-20 and J-31 aircrafts and working on the new fighter jets with sixth generation capabilities in areas across stealth capability with hypersonic weapons. China is taking the lead on the aerial dimension of Laser and precision warfare capabilities based on AI.
Clarity is the key to make substantial progress on crucial projects like MRFA. Policy conundrum that blocks the time frame defeats the purpose. The proposed 114 MRFA needs to pass through such trails to build an advanced aerospace industrial base and IAF to cement its formidable position in aerial warfare.
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As Import came into question General saab of Imported AF became furious.
No matter how much media/lobby run smear propaganda campaign against Indigenous products UN Generals never bothered to counter but now saab is ferocious with anger.
Bread
butter and Bachcho ke future ka sawal hai na ab......Article typically written by headquarter because as usual it skipped MWF name. Article is emotionally pleading for import as IAF has already committed for 450 other platforms.
MWF is main villain of Mr 114. Whole tenure UN Generals keep supporting import and only give call for indigenisation in last days of tenure.
500 jets with 100~110 KN engine, 200~300 MWF ?
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IAF's plan is way too ambitious. where are they going get all the funds for this? too optimistic if I may say so.
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Dassault offers Rafale manufacturing in its DRAL Plant in India if given MRFA 114 jets order
The French company Dassault will complete setting up its Rafale fighter aircraft servicing center at its upcoming facility at the Dassault Reliance Aerospace Limited (DRAL) at the Mihan SEZ in Nagpur by end of 2022 or early 2023. New Facility will cater to Indian Air Force and also to the South-Asian customers in near future but the grounds are being prepared that could lead to the assembly of Rafale jets in India to meet export demands as the backlog of orders pile up after recent orders from UAE and Indonesia.
Reliance Infrastructure is the majority shareholder in the 51:49 JV in DRAL but Dassault is planning to seek 100 percent ownership of DRAL before it can start plans to assemble Rafale jets in India. DRAL will be able to assemble two Rafale jets per month and 24 in a year that will match the present production capability in France. Most of the jets will come in the CKD (Completely Knocked Down) forms only to be assembled in India.
Dassault is already sourcing Rafale engine doors and pylons from India as part of its global supply chain for its Global Customers and more components will also be manufactured in India. Dassault already has offered to assemble the second batch of Rafale if ordered by India in the DRAL facility and also is ready to cater to MRFA Tender requirement for 114 jets which involve deeper Transfer of Technology (ToT) come into play with more sourcing being done locally.
While Assembly of Rafale in India is still at the consideration stage, French company Dassault off late has been sealing multiple deals for the supply of Rafale jets with many countries, and the DRAL facility in India will play a crucial role as part of its global supply chain and later also in the upgradation and service of these jets.
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The French company Dassault will complete setting up its Rafale fighter aircraft servicing center at its upcoming facility at the Dassault Reliance Aerospace Limited (DRAL) at the Mihan SEZ in Nagpur by end of 2022 or early 2023. New Facility will cater to Indian Air Force and also to the South-Asian customers in near future but the grounds are being prepared that could lead to the assembly of Rafale jets in India to meet export demands as the backlog of orders pile up after recent orders from UAE and Indonesia.
Reliance Infrastructure is the majority shareholder in the 51:49 JV in DRAL but Dassault is planning to seek 100 percent ownership of DRAL before it can start plans to assemble Rafale jets in India. DRAL will be able to assemble two Rafale jets per month and 24 in a year that will match the present production capability in France. Most of the jets will come in the CKD (Completely Knocked Down) forms only to be assembled in India.
Dassault is already sourcing Rafale engine doors and pylons from India as part of its global supply chain for its Global Customers and more components will also be manufactured in India. Dassault already has offered to assemble the second batch of Rafale if ordered by India in the DRAL facility and also is ready to cater to MRFA Tender requirement for 114 jets which involve deeper Transfer of Technology (ToT) come into play with more sourcing being done locally.
While Assembly of Rafale in India is still at the consideration stage, French company Dassault off late has been sealing multiple deals for the supply of Rafale jets with many countries, and the DRAL facility in India will play a crucial role as part of its global supply chain and later also in the upgradation and service of these jets.
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So this is IDRW's "source"Dassault offers Rafale manufacturing in its DRAL Plant in India if given MRFA 114 jets order
The French company Dassault will complete setting up its Rafale fighter aircraft servicing center at its upcoming facility at the Dassault Reliance Aerospace Limited (DRAL) at the Mihan SEZ in Nagpur by end of 2022 or early 2023. New Facility will cater to Indian Air Force and also to the South-Asian customers in near future but the grounds are being prepared that could lead to the assembly of Rafale jets in India to meet export demands as the backlog of orders pile up after recent orders from UAE and Indonesia.
Reliance Infrastructure is the majority shareholder in the 51:49 JV in DRAL but Dassault is planning to seek 100 percent ownership of DRAL before it can start plans to assemble Rafale jets in India. DRAL will be able to assemble two Rafale jets per month and 24 in a year that will match the present production capability in France. Most of the jets will come in the CKD (Completely Knocked Down) forms only to be assembled in India.
Dassault is already sourcing Rafale engine doors and pylons from India as part of its global supply chain for its Global Customers and more components will also be manufactured in India. Dassault already has offered to assemble the second batch of Rafale if ordered by India in the DRAL facility and also is ready to cater to MRFA Tender requirement for 114 jets which involve deeper Transfer of Technology (ToT) come into play with more sourcing being done locally.
While Assembly of Rafale in India is still at the consideration stage, French company Dassault off late has been sealing multiple deals for the supply of Rafale jets with many countries, and the DRAL facility in India will play a crucial role as part of its global supply chain and later also in the upgradation and service of these jets.
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This is logical and what I said a while agoDassault offers Rafale manufacturing in its DRAL Plant in India if given MRFA 114 jets order
The French company Dassault will complete setting up its Rafale fighter aircraft servicing center at its upcoming facility at the Dassault Reliance Aerospace Limited (DRAL) at the Mihan SEZ in Nagpur by end of 2022 or early 2023. New Facility will cater to Indian Air Force and also to the South-Asian customers in near future but the grounds are being prepared that could lead to the assembly of Rafale jets in India to meet export demands as the backlog of orders pile up after recent orders from UAE and Indonesia.
Reliance Infrastructure is the majority shareholder in the 51:49 JV in DRAL but Dassault is planning to seek 100 percent ownership of DRAL before it can start plans to assemble Rafale jets in India. DRAL will be able to assemble two Rafale jets per month and 24 in a year that will match the present production capability in France. Most of the jets will come in the CKD (Completely Knocked Down) forms only to be assembled in India.
Dassault is already sourcing Rafale engine doors and pylons from India as part of its global supply chain for its Global Customers and more components will also be manufactured in India. Dassault already has offered to assemble the second batch of Rafale if ordered by India in the DRAL facility and also is ready to cater to MRFA Tender requirement for 114 jets which involve deeper Transfer of Technology (ToT) come into play with more sourcing being done locally.
While Assembly of Rafale in India is still at the consideration stage, French company Dassault off late has been sealing multiple deals for the supply of Rafale jets with many countries, and the DRAL facility in India will play a crucial role as part of its global supply chain and later also in the upgradation and service of these jets.
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That said I imagine there will be a lot of complexity to this deal involving leasing/borrowing of operational aircraft from the French, govt-govt agreements, package deals etc.
It’s all in the French hands now (for MRFA and MRCBF), if they make the right noises this will work out.
(114 MRFA are definitely not going to happen. Be happy if IAF ends up with 6 SQNs or Rafales)
Year 2035
267 Su-30MKI - 15 Sq
72 Rafales - 4 Sq*
144 Tejas mk2 - 8 Sq**
123 Tejas mk1/A - 6 Sq
67 Mig29 - 3 Sq
49 Mirage2000 - 3 Sq
37 Jaguars - 2 Sq***
Total = 40 Squadron. End of Story.
* follow on order for 36 Rafale FR4 will happen. No one spends a Billion$ on infrastructure and training just to house 36 fighter jets.
** 144 Tejas mk2 can be delivered by 2035? If 83 Tejas mk1A order can allow a production rate of 16/year, i am sure 144 Tejas mk2 order can allow 24/year? 2030-2035 end...6 years x 24 jets = 144 jets.
Have to stick to the timelines, but not impossible?
*** Why Jaguars in 2035? Lets not forget 37 Jaguars were ordered between 1999-2002 and delivered between 2001-2004. These airframes are not obsolete. HAL had showcased a JAGUAR MAX upgrade programme in 2019. Upgrade the 37 Jaguars and retain them post 2035 (or till AMCA is ready for induction?)? They will not be modern, but they would atleast remain relevant with the upgrade?
Retire all the other Jaguars by 2035 or before.
Yes, out of these lot, some fighter jets will be obsolete - Mig29s, Mirage2000, Jaguars...and even the first 40 Su-30MK that arrived from Russia.
But lets look at the modernity rate.
Total Fighters in 2035 as per the above calculations - 759.
Outdated/Obsolete lot of fighters mentioned above - 193
193/759 =25.4%.
We are still left with 75% modern fleet of 4.5/4++ gen fighters.
Whats the big fuss with MRFA and other PHOREN mall(under the pretext of Make in India) again?
267 Su-30MKI - 15 Sq
72 Rafales - 4 Sq*
144 Tejas mk2 - 8 Sq**
123 Tejas mk1/A - 6 Sq
67 Mig29 - 3 Sq
49 Mirage2000 - 3 Sq
37 Jaguars - 2 Sq***
Total = 40 Squadron. End of Story.
* follow on order for 36 Rafale FR4 will happen. No one spends a Billion$ on infrastructure and training just to house 36 fighter jets.
** 144 Tejas mk2 can be delivered by 2035? If 83 Tejas mk1A order can allow a production rate of 16/year, i am sure 144 Tejas mk2 order can allow 24/year? 2030-2035 end...6 years x 24 jets = 144 jets.
Have to stick to the timelines, but not impossible?
*** Why Jaguars in 2035? Lets not forget 37 Jaguars were ordered between 1999-2002 and delivered between 2001-2004. These airframes are not obsolete. HAL had showcased a JAGUAR MAX upgrade programme in 2019. Upgrade the 37 Jaguars and retain them post 2035 (or till AMCA is ready for induction?)? They will not be modern, but they would atleast remain relevant with the upgrade?
Retire all the other Jaguars by 2035 or before.
Yes, out of these lot, some fighter jets will be obsolete - Mig29s, Mirage2000, Jaguars...and even the first 40 Su-30MK that arrived from Russia.
But lets look at the modernity rate.
Total Fighters in 2035 as per the above calculations - 759.
Outdated/Obsolete lot of fighters mentioned above - 193
193/759 =25.4%.
We are still left with 75% modern fleet of 4.5/4++ gen fighters.
Whats the big fuss with MRFA and other PHOREN mall(under the pretext of Make in India) again?
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French Dassault vs US Boeing — Mega fighter deal for IAF & Indian Navy could be split
Instead of acquiring 114 fighters in one go as planned earlier, govt looking at going in for an initial order of 54 aircraft for IAF. Navy looking at buying 26.
theprint.in
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This is the story with Scorpenes and will be the same for ALL high end imports
https://twitter.com/prakharkgupta/statu ... -7xSJbF8zA
(Read thread in full)
ANY official of the GoI advocating that these horrifically expensive import projects with licence assembly will actually transfer tech to India or help with domestic projects should immediately be stripped of their credentials and cast out
And this is just what the French do, the US is even more intrusive and tech is even less transferable and yet some are clamouring for F-18/21/15??
Just order more freaking Rafales and end this entire 3 decade long farce, it’s honestly painful to see all the contours of this saga
The article above makes it abundantly clear that the Rafale is the IAF’s preferred choice and it’s the most economical choice but the Modi Govt is in way over its head with this now and seem to be disinterested in making a decision, seems quite likely they are playing politics with it
https://twitter.com/prakharkgupta/statu ... -7xSJbF8zA
(Read thread in full)
ANY official of the GoI advocating that these horrifically expensive import projects with licence assembly will actually transfer tech to India or help with domestic projects should immediately be stripped of their credentials and cast out
And this is just what the French do, the US is even more intrusive and tech is even less transferable and yet some are clamouring for F-18/21/15??
Just order more freaking Rafales and end this entire 3 decade long farce, it’s honestly painful to see all the contours of this saga
The article above makes it abundantly clear that the Rafale is the IAF’s preferred choice and it’s the most economical choice but the Modi Govt is in way over its head with this now and seem to be disinterested in making a decision, seems quite likely they are playing politics with it
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#French paper claims MMRCA deal could happen between Summer & autumn of this year. Also says
@Dassault_OnAir
has an understanding with
@HALHQBLR
& that they have the deal in the bag
@Dassault_OnAir
has an understanding with
@HALHQBLR
& that they have the deal in the bag
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Have few doubts
1) has it been quoted by other sources
2) do French usually write the time period wrt seasons like this one
3) do u believe is it true
You've to take avionlegendaire with a lot of salt.
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No 114 airforce and 26 navy both are seperate
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Don't mix 90 aircraft for IAF with 24 for navy. IN has made it clear both programs are independent.
Number 114 is given my articles quoting IAF sources.
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