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Year 2035
267 Su-30MKI - 15 Sq
72 Rafales - 4 Sq*
144 Tejas mk2 - 8 Sq**
123 Tejas mk1/A - 6 Sq
67 Mig29 - 3 Sq
49 Mirage2000 - 3 Sq
37 Jaguars - 2 Sq***

Total = 40 Squadron. End of Story.

* follow on order for 36 Rafale FR4 will happen. No one spends a Billion$ on infrastructure and training just to house 36 fighter jets.

** 144 Tejas mk2 can be delivered by 2035? If 83 Tejas mk1A order can allow a production rate of 16/year, i am sure 144 Tejas mk2 order can allow 24/year? 2030-2035 end...6 years x 24 jets = 144 jets.
Have to stick to the timelines, but not impossible?

*** Why Jaguars in 2035? Lets not forget 37 Jaguars were ordered between 1999-2002 and delivered between 2001-2004. These airframes are not obsolete. HAL had showcased a JAGUAR MAX upgrade programme in 2019. Upgrade the 37 Jaguars and retain them post 2035 (or till AMCA is ready for induction?)? They will not be modern, but they would atleast remain relevant with the upgrade?
Retire all the other Jaguars by 2035 or before.

Yes, out of these lot, some fighter jets will be obsolete - Mig29s, Mirage2000, Jaguars...and even the first 40 Su-30MK that arrived from Russia.
But lets look at the modernity rate.
Total Fighters in 2035 as per the above calculations - 759.
Outdated/Obsolete lot of fighters mentioned above - 193
193/759 =25.4%.
We are still left with 75% modern fleet of 4.5/4++ gen fighters.

Whats the big fuss with MRFA and other PHOREN mall(under the pretext of Make in India) again?
I have a question, why we investing so much in this , buying jets from phoren.

When ever govt ask IAF for any quick & result oriented operation then they refuse by saying we don't have enough jets so we cant fight, IAF always gives this type of excuses before/after rafel.

Rather not we invest so much amount in education, science, space, new technology development & research.

I am not against IAF but i am talking about reality. We should invest more in Tejas platform and mature our aerospace ecosystem.
 

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I have a question, why we investing so much in this , buying jets from phoren.

When ever govt ask IAF for any quick & result oriented operation then they refuse by saying we don't have enough jets so we cant fight, IAF always gives this type of excuses before/after rafel.

Rather not we invest so much amount in education, science, space, new technology development & research.

I am not against IAF but i am talking about reality. We should invest more in Tejas platform and mature our aerospace ecosystem.
1. When did IAF said it please share the link or source of your information.

2. Except Rafale we aren't buying anything new.

3. Tejas doesn't answer all operational needs.

4. Aerospace sector etc develops in decades can't leave our sky defenceless waiting for it.

5. The offset from Rafale will help our aerospace sector too .
 

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1. When did IAF said it please share the link or source of your information.

2. Except Rafale we aren't buying anything new.

3. Tejas doesn't answer all operational needs.

4. Aerospace sector etc develops in decades can't leave our sky defenceless waiting for it.

5. The offset from Rafale will help our aerospace sector too .
All i am saying that amount of money should be invested to build our aerospace industry.
 

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All i am saying that amount of money should be invested to build our aerospace industry.
Doesn't make sense...

Anyway please share your source for this...

"When ever govt ask IAF for any quick & result oriented operation then they refuse by saying we don't have enough jets so we cant fight, IAF always gives this type of excuses before/after rafel."
 

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Doesn't make sense...

Anyway please share your source for this...

"When ever govt ask IAF for any quick & result oriented operation then they refuse by saying we don't have enough jets so we cant fight, IAF always gives this type of excuses before/after rafel."
Sure sharing shortly
 

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So how did we arrive at this 114 no. Is it original 126 - 36 = 90. And this 90 aircraft for iaf plus 24 for navy
IAF need 150 to 180 EU jets, initial order under SP model is 126, additional order later.
Now 36 already brought, now 114, and 114+36 = 150, actual no.of EU jet required, and more order later and depend on MWF. IAF and IN were separate deals, not same. 114 under 20+ billion $ buy global make india deal and 26 under 5+ billion $ buy global deal.
 

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All i am saying that amount of money should be invested to build our aerospace industry.
Why ? Who going to buy it and what for ?
Spending a huge amount of money is a huge wastage if we can't absorb the money properly.
 

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Year 2035
267 Su-30MKI - 15 Sq
72 Rafales - 4 Sq*
144 Tejas mk2 - 8 Sq**
123 Tejas mk1/A - 6 Sq
67 Mig29 - 3 Sq
49 Mirage2000 - 3 Sq
37 Jaguars - 2 Sq***

Total = 40 Squadron. End of Story.

* follow on order for 36 Rafale FR4 will happen. No one spends a Billion$ on infrastructure and training just to house 36 fighter jets.

** 144 Tejas mk2 can be delivered by 2035? If 83 Tejas mk1A order can allow a production rate of 16/year, i am sure 144 Tejas mk2 order can allow 24/year? 2030-2035 end...6 years x 24 jets = 144 jets.
Have to stick to the timelines, but not impossible?

*** Why Jaguars in 2035? Lets not forget 37 Jaguars were ordered between 1999-2002 and delivered between 2001-2004. These airframes are not obsolete. HAL had showcased a JAGUAR MAX upgrade programme in 2019. Upgrade the 37 Jaguars and retain them post 2035 (or till AMCA is ready for induction?)? They will not be modern, but they would atleast remain relevant with the upgrade?
Retire all the other Jaguars by 2035 or before.

Yes, out of these lot, some fighter jets will be obsolete - Mig29s, Mirage2000, Jaguars...and even the first 40 Su-30MK that arrived from Russia.
But lets look at the modernity rate.
Total Fighters in 2035 as per the above calculations - 759.
Outdated/Obsolete lot of fighters mentioned above - 193
193/759 =25.4%.
We are still left with 75% modern fleet of 4.5/4++ gen fighters.

Whats the big fuss with MRFA and other PHOREN mall(under the pretext of Make in India) again?
By 2035:-
Su30 squadrons will be 13 only, not 15...
MIG29s will retire, so 0, not 3...
Mirage 2000s will retire, so 0, not 3...
Tejas Mk2 will be maximum 5 squadrons, not 8...
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So, by 2035, the strength will be 29 squadrons not 40...
With MRFA, it will be 33 squadrons...
 

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RAFALE, 2 BOEINGS, JAS-39 GRIPEN & F-21 — 5 IN RACE FOR IAF'S MULTI-ROLE FIGHTER AIRCRAFT DEAL
The main contender is the Rafale fighter which the IAF is already accustomed to, since 36 of these fighters, bought under a 2016 government to government deal and costing Euro 7.8 billion — are already in use by the IAF.


Known as an omni-role aircraft — one which can conduct complex combat assignments, including ground attacks, beyond visual range (BVR) air-to-air combats or interceptions, during the same sortie — the Rafale fighter is a ‘4.5 generation aircraft‘, with a top speed of 1.8 Mach, nearly double the speed of sound.

It is the most potent aircraft currently in use by the IAF, in terms of range, radar and weaponry.

The Rafale is a twin-engine, canard-delta wing, multi-role fighter aircraft, fit for varied purposes, such as reconnaissance, providing ground support to troops, in-depth strikes, and anti-ship strikes.

The Rafale has a ferry range of 3,700 km and is equipped with internal and external fuel tanks.

In terms of weaponry, the Rafale has 14 hard points to carry different types of missiles, including the the Meteor air-to-air missiles — which come with a Beyond Visual Range (BVR) of about 150 KMs and the deadly air to surface Scalp which has a range of over 500 KMs.

The Rafale has been used by the French Air Force in multiple campaigns across Afghanistan, Libya, Mali, the Central African Republic, Iraq and Syria.

F/A-18 Block III Super Hornet

Recently featured in the superhit Hollywood film Top Gun: Maverick — which shows actor Tom Cruise manoeuvring the craft to evade enemy’s surface-to-air missiles whilst fulfilling a seemingly impossible mission — the F/A-18 Bock III Super Hornet is being touted as a “game-changer” for Indian military, if acquired.

The F/A-18 has been the leading aircraft for the US Navy for nearly four decades. It is designed as both a fighter and attack aircraft and Block-III is its latest version. Currently, the US Navy has over 700 F/A-18s, which are operational worldwide. The original Block I Hornet was introduced into service in 1984.

The version under consideration by the IAF— the F/A-18 Block-III Super Hornet — is a twin-engine, carrier-capable, multirole fighter aircraft.

Block-III comes in two versions, the F/A-18 E which is a single-seater and the double-seater F/A-18 F. Both versions have been built for high-loading and high-stress operations.

A major upgrade in the Block-III, from the earlier F/A-18, is its “advanced cockpit system”, which is operated via a customisable 10×19-inch touch screen. Essentially, this system has replaced hard displays in the cockpit with iPad-like features. This enables smoother flight operations and decision-making, giving the pilot more time to assess the battlefield.

Further, to store weapons, Block-III has an “enclosed, external weapons pod built to carry up to 2,500-pounds of weapons”. From the pod, various missiles and bombs can be fired, which include the “AIM 9X Sidewinder air-to-air missile, the AIM 120 Advanced Medium-Range Air-to-Air Missile (AMRAAM), the AGM-154 Joint Standoff Weapon (an air-to-ground missile), the Small Diameter Bomb and the Mark-84 bomb, among others”.

Block-III has a life of approximately 10,000 flying hours. However, the drawback is that the F/A-18s lack stealth capabilities.

Boeing is waiting for the IAF to come out with its technical requirements before deciding whether they will offer the Super Hornet or the F-15 EX.

F-15 EX

The F-15 EX is the upgraded replacement of the F-15C. It is referred to as the “Eagle-II”. The F-15 EX is also developed by Boeing and is another contender from their portfolio for the MRFA.

The original F-15s were first deployed by the United States Air Force in the mid-1970s. Today’s version includes multiple upgrades and enhancements.

Specifically, the F-15EX includes enhancements to “manoeuvrability, acceleration, durability, computing power, and weapons carriage ability of the F-15C”.

According to Boeing, the F-15 EX “includes a best-in-class payload, range and speed”. Payload refers to the carrying capacity of a jet, including cargo, munitions, etc.

An article published in the Air Force Magazine claimed that the advanced specs of the Eagle-II entail “digital fly-by-wire flight controls, a large area display glass-cockpit, and an APG-82 AESA radar”.

Further, the F-15EX is built with an open mission system software, which allows the operating network of the fighters to undergo rapid upgrades and capability enhancements. Ensuring it is never outdated from the latest standards in the industry.

The Congressional Research Service (CRS), a public policy research institute of the US Congress, explains that the F-15EX have “stronger airframes, more powerful processors and advanced flight control systems” than any other fighter operated by the United States Air Force.

The F-15EX is capable of firing AMRAAM. The US Air National Guard conducted a successful firing of the AIM-120D AMRAAM from the F-15EX over the Gulf of Mexico in February 2022.

The F-15 EX also boasts a flying life of 20,000 hours, much longer than the average flying time of fighters, which ranges between 6,000-to 8,000 hours.

F-21

The F-21s are a product of the US defence conglomerate Lockheed Martin.

The F-21 is an adapted and advanced version of the F-16 and is specially tweaked by the manufacturer to cater to the needs of the IAF. The F-16 is commonly called the “Fighting Falcon”. However, the F-21 is a fighter on paper and has not been manufactured yet.

The F-21 has been touted as a multi-role fighter. From the original, the F-21 retains the nose-mounted radar fit, wide-view canopy, and a single-engine installation.

The F-21 comprises both single-seater and double-seater variants. It includes three underwing hardpoints (the area on an airframe that is used to carry external and internal load). Two of these hardpoints are for reserve fuel tanks, which can be used in case travel ranges increase.

Further, the F-21 also comes with wingtip missile hardpoints, which like the F-15EX support the AIM-20D AMRAAM. It also entails a triple launcher to fire these AMRAAM missiles.

The F-21 is equipped with a retractable fuel probe, an essential element for IAF fighters to ensure smooth fuelling at their bases.

SAAB JAS-39 Gripen

The SAAB JAS-39 Gripen is a light, single-engine, multirole fighter aircraft manufactured by Swedish aerospace and defence company, SAAB AB.

It was introduced into the Swedish Air Force in 1996 and is described as an “affordable non-stealth aircraft”. According to an article published in The Express, UK, the Swedish Air Force currently operates between 1,000 to 2,000 of these fighters.

The JAS-39 was the first fighter to be loaded and capable of firing the Meteor air-to-air missile, a beyond visual range (BVR) weapon, capable of striking targets up to 150 kilometres.

Different variants of the Gripen can carry different loads of meteor missiles. The Gripen-C can carry four, whereas the Gripen E can carry seven.

Alluding to the modern operating system that the Gripen runs on, SAAB’s website explains, “Gripen’s unique avionics architecture is the definition of smart. It means we can reconfigure the inside of Gripen without affecting the airframe. Or put another way, we can rapidly upgrade Gripen’s avionics whenever new technology becomes available.”

Beyond Sweden, the Gripen is currently operational in the Czech Republic, Hungary, South Africa, and Thailand.
 

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RAFALE, 2 BOEINGS, JAS-39 GRIPEN & F-21 — 5 IN RACE FOR IAF'S MULTI-ROLE FIGHTER AIRCRAFT DEAL
The main contender is the Rafale fighter which the IAF is already accustomed to, since 36 of these fighters, bought under a 2016 government to government deal and costing Euro 7.8 billion — are already in use by the IAF.


Known as an omni-role aircraft — one which can conduct complex combat assignments, including ground attacks, beyond visual range (BVR) air-to-air combats or interceptions, during the same sortie — the Rafale fighter is a ‘4.5 generation aircraft‘, with a top speed of 1.8 Mach, nearly double the speed of sound.

It is the most potent aircraft currently in use by the IAF, in terms of range, radar and weaponry.

The Rafale is a twin-engine, canard-delta wing, multi-role fighter aircraft, fit for varied purposes, such as reconnaissance, providing ground support to troops, in-depth strikes, and anti-ship strikes.

The Rafale has a ferry range of 3,700 km and is equipped with internal and external fuel tanks.

In terms of weaponry, the Rafale has 14 hard points to carry different types of missiles, including the the Meteor air-to-air missiles — which come with a Beyond Visual Range (BVR) of about 150 KMs and the deadly air to surface Scalp which has a range of over 500 KMs.

The Rafale has been used by the French Air Force in multiple campaigns across Afghanistan, Libya, Mali, the Central African Republic, Iraq and Syria.

F/A-18 Block III Super Hornet

Recently featured in the superhit Hollywood film Top Gun: Maverick — which shows actor Tom Cruise manoeuvring the craft to evade enemy’s surface-to-air missiles whilst fulfilling a seemingly impossible mission — the F/A-18 Bock III Super Hornet is being touted as a “game-changer” for Indian military, if acquired.

The F/A-18 has been the leading aircraft for the US Navy for nearly four decades. It is designed as both a fighter and attack aircraft and Block-III is its latest version. Currently, the US Navy has over 700 F/A-18s, which are operational worldwide. The original Block I Hornet was introduced into service in 1984.

The version under consideration by the IAF— the F/A-18 Block-III Super Hornet — is a twin-engine, carrier-capable, multirole fighter aircraft.

Block-III comes in two versions, the F/A-18 E which is a single-seater and the double-seater F/A-18 F. Both versions have been built for high-loading and high-stress operations.

A major upgrade in the Block-III, from the earlier F/A-18, is its “advanced cockpit system”, which is operated via a customisable 10×19-inch touch screen. Essentially, this system has replaced hard displays in the cockpit with iPad-like features. This enables smoother flight operations and decision-making, giving the pilot more time to assess the battlefield.

Further, to store weapons, Block-III has an “enclosed, external weapons pod built to carry up to 2,500-pounds of weapons”. From the pod, various missiles and bombs can be fired, which include the “AIM 9X Sidewinder air-to-air missile, the AIM 120 Advanced Medium-Range Air-to-Air Missile (AMRAAM), the AGM-154 Joint Standoff Weapon (an air-to-ground missile), the Small Diameter Bomb and the Mark-84 bomb, among others”.

Block-III has a life of approximately 10,000 flying hours. However, the drawback is that the F/A-18s lack stealth capabilities.

Boeing is waiting for the IAF to come out with its technical requirements before deciding whether they will offer the Super Hornet or the F-15 EX.

F-15 EX

The F-15 EX is the upgraded replacement of the F-15C. It is referred to as the “Eagle-II”. The F-15 EX is also developed by Boeing and is another contender from their portfolio for the MRFA.

The original F-15s were first deployed by the United States Air Force in the mid-1970s. Today’s version includes multiple upgrades and enhancements.

Specifically, the F-15EX includes enhancements to “manoeuvrability, acceleration, durability, computing power, and weapons carriage ability of the F-15C”.

According to Boeing, the F-15 EX “includes a best-in-class payload, range and speed”. Payload refers to the carrying capacity of a jet, including cargo, munitions, etc.

An article published in the Air Force Magazine claimed that the advanced specs of the Eagle-II entail “digital fly-by-wire flight controls, a large area display glass-cockpit, and an APG-82 AESA radar”.

Further, the F-15EX is built with an open mission system software, which allows the operating network of the fighters to undergo rapid upgrades and capability enhancements. Ensuring it is never outdated from the latest standards in the industry.

The Congressional Research Service (CRS), a public policy research institute of the US Congress, explains that the F-15EX have “stronger airframes, more powerful processors and advanced flight control systems” than any other fighter operated by the United States Air Force.

The F-15EX is capable of firing AMRAAM. The US Air National Guard conducted a successful firing of the AIM-120D AMRAAM from the F-15EX over the Gulf of Mexico in February 2022.

The F-15 EX also boasts a flying life of 20,000 hours, much longer than the average flying time of fighters, which ranges between 6,000-to 8,000 hours.

F-21

The F-21s are a product of the US defence conglomerate Lockheed Martin.

The F-21 is an adapted and advanced version of the F-16 and is specially tweaked by the manufacturer to cater to the needs of the IAF. The F-16 is commonly called the “Fighting Falcon”. However, the F-21 is a fighter on paper and has not been manufactured yet.

The F-21 has been touted as a multi-role fighter. From the original, the F-21 retains the nose-mounted radar fit, wide-view canopy, and a single-engine installation.

The F-21 comprises both single-seater and double-seater variants. It includes three underwing hardpoints (the area on an airframe that is used to carry external and internal load). Two of these hardpoints are for reserve fuel tanks, which can be used in case travel ranges increase.

Further, the F-21 also comes with wingtip missile hardpoints, which like the F-15EX support the AIM-20D AMRAAM. It also entails a triple launcher to fire these AMRAAM missiles.

The F-21 is equipped with a retractable fuel probe, an essential element for IAF fighters to ensure smooth fuelling at their bases.

SAAB JAS-39 Gripen

The SAAB JAS-39 Gripen is a light, single-engine, multirole fighter aircraft manufactured by Swedish aerospace and defence company, SAAB AB.

It was introduced into the Swedish Air Force in 1996 and is described as an “affordable non-stealth aircraft”. According to an article published in The Express, UK, the Swedish Air Force currently operates between 1,000 to 2,000 of these fighters.

The JAS-39 was the first fighter to be loaded and capable of firing the Meteor air-to-air missile, a beyond visual range (BVR) weapon, capable of striking targets up to 150 kilometres.

Different variants of the Gripen can carry different loads of meteor missiles. The Gripen-C can carry four, whereas the Gripen E can carry seven.

Alluding to the modern operating system that the Gripen runs on, SAAB’s website explains, “Gripen’s unique avionics architecture is the definition of smart. It means we can reconfigure the inside of Gripen without affecting the airframe. Or put another way, we can rapidly upgrade Gripen’s avionics whenever new technology becomes available.”

Beyond Sweden, the Gripen is currently operational in the Czech Republic, Hungary, South Africa, and Thailand.
Buy the cheapest one and call it a day. All of them will do what a 4th Gen fighter should do.

Stop splitting hair in protracted "performance trials" because all of these jets are used by the best air forces in the world successfully. Any statement to the contrary will only delay an already delayed process.

What really matters is that all of these are exponentially better than for India has right now (except small number of Rafales) - All them have AESA, long range AAM, top end EW and avionics. Differences are only marginal and wil equalize by the time any of them are inducted. Also, they all outclass any opposition fielded by Chinese.

The worst thing to do now is delay. Canceling this tender completely is actually a better option.

Also, stop expecting 5th Gen benefits in airframes designed for earlier era- you will waste money for diminishing returns. Close this chapter and start contest on acquisition of 5/6 Gen fighter separately.
 
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Buy the cheapest one and call it a day. All of them will do what a 4th Gen fighter should do.

Stop splitting hair in protracted "performance trials" because all of these jets are used by the best air forces in the world successfully. Any statement to the contrary will only delay an already delayed process.

What really matters is that all of these are exponentially better than for India has right now (except small number of Rafales) - All them have AESA, long range AAM, top end EW and avionics. Differences are only marginal and wil equalize by the time any of them are inducted. Also, they all outclass any opposition fielded by Chinese.

The worst thing to do now is delay. Canceling this tender completely is actually a better option.

Also, stop expecting 5th Gen benefits in airframes designed for earlier era- you will waste money for diminishing returns. Close this chapter and start contest on acquisition of 5/6 Gen fighter separately.
Buy the Rafale because the Air Force already operates it. You buy anything American and you are enslaving yourself to the Federal Reserve System. "Buy the cheapest and go forth" is an idiotic way of thinking and guarantees failure.
 

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RAFALE, 2 BOEINGS, JAS-39 GRIPEN & F-21 — 5 IN RACE FOR IAF'S MULTI-ROLE FIGHTER AIRCRAFT DEAL
The main contender is the Rafale fighter which the IAF is already accustomed to, since 36 of these fighters, bought under a 2016 government to government deal and costing Euro 7.8 billion — are already in use by the IAF.


Known as an omni-role aircraft — one which can conduct complex combat assignments, including ground attacks, beyond visual range (BVR) air-to-air combats or interceptions, during the same sortie — the Rafale fighter is a ‘4.5 generation aircraft‘, with a top speed of 1.8 Mach, nearly double the speed of sound.

It is the most potent aircraft currently in use by the IAF, in terms of range, radar and weaponry.

The Rafale is a twin-engine, canard-delta wing, multi-role fighter aircraft, fit for varied purposes, such as reconnaissance, providing ground support to troops, in-depth strikes, and anti-ship strikes.

The Rafale has a ferry range of 3,700 km and is equipped with internal and external fuel tanks.

In terms of weaponry, the Rafale has 14 hard points to carry different types of missiles, including the the Meteor air-to-air missiles — which come with a Beyond Visual Range (BVR) of about 150 KMs and the deadly air to surface Scalp which has a range of over 500 KMs.

The Rafale has been used by the French Air Force in multiple campaigns across Afghanistan, Libya, Mali, the Central African Republic, Iraq and Syria.

F/A-18 Block III Super Hornet

Recently featured in the superhit Hollywood film Top Gun: Maverick — which shows actor Tom Cruise manoeuvring the craft to evade enemy’s surface-to-air missiles whilst fulfilling a seemingly impossible mission — the F/A-18 Bock III Super Hornet is being touted as a “game-changer” for Indian military, if acquired.

The F/A-18 has been the leading aircraft for the US Navy for nearly four decades. It is designed as both a fighter and attack aircraft and Block-III is its latest version. Currently, the US Navy has over 700 F/A-18s, which are operational worldwide. The original Block I Hornet was introduced into service in 1984.

The version under consideration by the IAF— the F/A-18 Block-III Super Hornet — is a twin-engine, carrier-capable, multirole fighter aircraft.

Block-III comes in two versions, the F/A-18 E which is a single-seater and the double-seater F/A-18 F. Both versions have been built for high-loading and high-stress operations.

A major upgrade in the Block-III, from the earlier F/A-18, is its “advanced cockpit system”, which is operated via a customisable 10×19-inch touch screen. Essentially, this system has replaced hard displays in the cockpit with iPad-like features. This enables smoother flight operations and decision-making, giving the pilot more time to assess the battlefield.

Further, to store weapons, Block-III has an “enclosed, external weapons pod built to carry up to 2,500-pounds of weapons”. From the pod, various missiles and bombs can be fired, which include the “AIM 9X Sidewinder air-to-air missile, the AIM 120 Advanced Medium-Range Air-to-Air Missile (AMRAAM), the AGM-154 Joint Standoff Weapon (an air-to-ground missile), the Small Diameter Bomb and the Mark-84 bomb, among others”.

Block-III has a life of approximately 10,000 flying hours. However, the drawback is that the F/A-18s lack stealth capabilities.

Boeing is waiting for the IAF to come out with its technical requirements before deciding whether they will offer the Super Hornet or the F-15 EX.

F-15 EX

The F-15 EX is the upgraded replacement of the F-15C. It is referred to as the “Eagle-II”. The F-15 EX is also developed by Boeing and is another contender from their portfolio for the MRFA.

The original F-15s were first deployed by the United States Air Force in the mid-1970s. Today’s version includes multiple upgrades and enhancements.

Specifically, the F-15EX includes enhancements to “manoeuvrability, acceleration, durability, computing power, and weapons carriage ability of the F-15C”.

According to Boeing, the F-15 EX “includes a best-in-class payload, range and speed”. Payload refers to the carrying capacity of a jet, including cargo, munitions, etc.

An article published in the Air Force Magazine claimed that the advanced specs of the Eagle-II entail “digital fly-by-wire flight controls, a large area display glass-cockpit, and an APG-82 AESA radar”.

Further, the F-15EX is built with an open mission system software, which allows the operating network of the fighters to undergo rapid upgrades and capability enhancements. Ensuring it is never outdated from the latest standards in the industry.

The Congressional Research Service (CRS), a public policy research institute of the US Congress, explains that the F-15EX have “stronger airframes, more powerful processors and advanced flight control systems” than any other fighter operated by the United States Air Force.

The F-15EX is capable of firing AMRAAM. The US Air National Guard conducted a successful firing of the AIM-120D AMRAAM from the F-15EX over the Gulf of Mexico in February 2022.

The F-15 EX also boasts a flying life of 20,000 hours, much longer than the average flying time of fighters, which ranges between 6,000-to 8,000 hours.

F-21

The F-21s are a product of the US defence conglomerate Lockheed Martin.

The F-21 is an adapted and advanced version of the F-16 and is specially tweaked by the manufacturer to cater to the needs of the IAF. The F-16 is commonly called the “Fighting Falcon”. However, the F-21 is a fighter on paper and has not been manufactured yet.

The F-21 has been touted as a multi-role fighter. From the original, the F-21 retains the nose-mounted radar fit, wide-view canopy, and a single-engine installation.

The F-21 comprises both single-seater and double-seater variants. It includes three underwing hardpoints (the area on an airframe that is used to carry external and internal load). Two of these hardpoints are for reserve fuel tanks, which can be used in case travel ranges increase.

Further, the F-21 also comes with wingtip missile hardpoints, which like the F-15EX support the AIM-20D AMRAAM. It also entails a triple launcher to fire these AMRAAM missiles.

The F-21 is equipped with a retractable fuel probe, an essential element for IAF fighters to ensure smooth fuelling at their bases.

SAAB JAS-39 Gripen

The SAAB JAS-39 Gripen is a light, single-engine, multirole fighter aircraft manufactured by Swedish aerospace and defence company, SAAB AB.

It was introduced into the Swedish Air Force in 1996 and is described as an “affordable non-stealth aircraft”. According to an article published in The Express, UK, the Swedish Air Force currently operates between 1,000 to 2,000 of these fighters.

The JAS-39 was the first fighter to be loaded and capable of firing the Meteor air-to-air missile, a beyond visual range (BVR) weapon, capable of striking targets up to 150 kilometres.

Different variants of the Gripen can carry different loads of meteor missiles. The Gripen-C can carry four, whereas the Gripen E can carry seven.

Alluding to the modern operating system that the Gripen runs on, SAAB’s website explains, “Gripen’s unique avionics architecture is the definition of smart. It means we can reconfigure the inside of Gripen without affecting the airframe. Or put another way, we can rapidly upgrade Gripen’s avionics whenever new technology becomes available.”

Beyond Sweden, the Gripen is currently operational in the Czech Republic, Hungary, South Africa, and Thailand.
what happened to eft, mig35 & su35 ?
 

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Buy the cheapest one and call it a day. All of them will do what a 4th Gen fighter should do.

Stop splitting hair in protracted "performance trials" because all of these jets are used by the best air forces in the world successfully. Any statement to the contrary will only delay an already delayed process.

What really matters is that all of these are exponentially better than for India has right now (except small number of Rafales) - All them have AESA, long range AAM, top end EW and avionics. Differences are only marginal and wil equalize by the time any of them are inducted. Also, they all outclass any opposition fielded by Chinese.

The worst thing to do now is delay. Canceling this tender completely is actually a better option.

Also, stop expecting 5th Gen benefits in airframes designed for earlier era- you will waste money for diminishing returns. Close this chapter and start contest on acquisition of 5/6 Gen fighter separately.
Jas 39 least expensive one.
 

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Buy the Rafale because the Air Force already operates it. You buy anything American and you are enslaving yourself to the Federal Reserve System. "Buy the cheapest and go forth" is an idiotic way of thinking and guarantees failure.
French are no better, they themselves are subordinate to Yankee. It gives an appearance of strategic autonomy, but it is not.
 

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MMRCA = Medium Multi-role combat aircraft
has became a
MRFA = Multi-role fighter aircraft.

Suddenly medium weight necessity has been disappeared.

Hence, JAS 39/SAAB Gripen will be choosen by IAF for a reason.

Btw.. Why MWF is not a participant like Gripen was during MMRCA?
 

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MMRCA = Medium Multi-role combat aircraft
has became a
MRFA = Multi-role fighter aircraft.

Suddenly medium weight necessity has been disappeared.

Hence, JAS 39/SAAB Gripen will be choosen by IAF for a reason.

Btw.. Why MWF is not a participant like Gripen was during MMRCA?
Because the MWF doesn't exist yet, beyond scale models and CAD designs
 

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I completely agree with Wisemarko. India does not need the best 4.5 gen fighter out there to counter Pak and China. What they need is a large enough number of fighters to fill all the squadrons,
and get rid of all the old MIGs. Even if the Rafale is the best fighter in terms of overall performance, but if the price of the Gripen/F18 is much lower that of a Rafale, then buy the Gripen/F18. Plus, the IAF needs a mainstay fighter that is cheap to maintain and preferably can be fully built in India. The only justification to buy Rafale would be if the overall long-term maintenance cost is significantly lower, given that India already operates the aircraft.

Also, its time for Indians to forget about the old sanctions that the US put on India in the past. In a bi-polar world with the US and China as the primary strategic rivals; the old Cold War equation no longer applies.
The US is not going to be stupid enough to sanction India even if there are differences, when India stands as biggest player in Asia directly confronting an increasingly aggressive and hegemonic China. No other country in Asia can bring that kind of capability to bear.

The "Enemy of your enemy is your Friend" Rule definitely applies here.
 

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Gripen E was also not existing then. Still it was evaluated on the basis of Gripen C/D.
foren maal.
Mostly it's because these companies are sure to deliver a good product. While IAF has little patience with HAL and doesn't want to spend time co-developing a desi bird. If the gov didn't keep them in check, Tejas would've been chucked long ago. The only time they consider the home industry is when there is no alternative, like the AMCA.
 

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what happened to eft, mig35 & su35 ?
EFT has too many suppliers (logistic problem) and is way to expensive.
EFT future (upgrade path) is also in question as UK and Germany are procuring F-35s and are developing new generation fighters. UK plans to start retiring some of their EFT from 2025.

As for Mig-35 and Su-35; GoI has decided to pivot away from Russia and move towards West. We have decide to reduce our dependence on Russians.
 

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