Make in India - Domestic Defense Manufacturing

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Potential scenario for “interference” developing..

in this case trying to pull down a domestic defence company using EU as an excuse.

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The Modi govt has been handing major defense contracts & technology to a favorite Nagpur-based firm.

What's shocking is that they're doing this despite knowing that the company's explosives were being used by terror group ISIS in Iraq & Syria.

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Potential scenario for “interference” developing..

in this case trying to pull down a domestic defence company using EU as an excuse.

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The Modi govt has been handing major defense contracts & technology to a favorite Nagpur-based firm.

What's shocking is that they're doing this despite knowing that the company's explosives were being used by terror group ISIS in Iraq & Syria.

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congress pimps at work.
 

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There have been trumped up accusations in past years, of Indian firms operating or exporting to Iran and Iraq.
 

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Here's an idea. and i think youtube channels Alpha defence & Defence Decode are good candidates for this...

They could do a 60 second segment at the end of their video giving a short summary of one domestic defence company(especially the small ones) and their products, once or twice a week. It would help both ways, give a little promotion to the company, and help their channel attract chaps who see a career in defence production. They can call the segment "Desi Defence company of the day" or something.

If once a week is too far apart, it could be twice a week like say mondays and thursdays.

Folks, please pass it on to amit and who ever runs alpha defence channel. it's their call whether to do it or not. it's just an idea.
 

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This is one area, MoD can directly give the R&D to Private sector, both offence and defence.

Maybe a kinetic type of the solution can still be with DRDO, but where ever non-kinetic solution like DEW or signal interference Is involved, private sector can do them on their own.

and this is a good project for IAF to take up, to redeem themselves, after being the only arm reluctant to adopt domestic solutions for a long time.

we are talking area defence or attack, not point defence. that silly looking gun type anti-drone thingie ain’t gonna cut it for drone swarms.

 

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Red side matlab?
Losses huge losses at this rate it will fail if not able to win contracts and the SSS see the thread of the SSS Defence they still have not made any sustainable R&D model only spun off of the other parts to create weapons.
 

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Losses huge losses at this rate it will fail if not able to win contracts and the SSS see the thread of the SSS Defence they still have not made any sustainable R&D model only spun off ot the other parts to create weapons.
So you are saying Tonbo will end soon? Tonbo has huge orders from outside.
 

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Only if they get strong backers or make a new sustainable financial model. Which both of them are not seen in the case of Tonbo.
Tonbo‘s Optics are going to become standard of Peruvian army, SSS Defence will survive by Ammunitions as they do make a whole range of ammo that makes me feel good, like OFB makes only simple rounds, SSSD makes tracer, blank, AP etc type of rounds, tracers are Cool stuff that westerners use, IA should also focus on show off like NATO, China and Russia do!
 

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Tonbo‘s Optics are going to become standard of Peruvian army, SSS Defence will survive by Ammunitions as they do make a whole range of ammo that makes me feel good, like OFB makes only simple rounds, SSSD makes tracer, blank, AP etc type of rounds, tracers are Cool stuff that westerners use, IA should also focus on show off like NATO, China and Russia do!
The Peruvian contract is not that big to save the Tonbo its need more contracts to win which in the current times is highly unlikely. SSS is a spring company and its defence venture is not that big. Kalyani and others have better chances to win rather than SSS Defence. It will be cut from any contracts due to its financial sheets.
 

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The Peruvian contract is not that big to save the Tonbo its need more contracts to win which in the current times is highly unlikely. SSS is a spring company and its defence venture is not that big. Kalyani and others have better chances to win rather than SSS Defence. It will be cut from any contracts due to its financial sheets.
SSSD can survive by selling Ammo and Arms in US Market and foreign military exports, Tonbo will eventually start making Reflex sights for US Market hit!
 

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SSSD can survive by selling Ammo and Arms in US Market and foreign military exports, Tonbo will eventually start making Reflex sights for US Market hit!
SSS defence JV is not likely to be able to sell as it's a JV. Even if tried to sell ammo. There ia no mention that the JV is made to export ammunition. As far Tonbo the future is bleak really bleak. Cant say what will happen. Better a larger firm take over the Tonbo then its security is guaranteed. Like how L&T is in talked to take over the Idea Forge. A 2,50,000 crores firm can sustain to pitch this startups. But independently in the harsh markets it's hard to survive.
 
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COMCASA – Should India Sign?

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Over the past decade, India has been steadily purchasing military platforms from the United States that typically come with secure communication systems of US-origin. However, since India has thus far refused to sign the so-called Communications Compatibility and Security Agreement (COMCASA), usually known as the Communications and Information Security Memorandum of Agreement (CISMOA) in US parlance, it has been forced to use lower-grade commercially available equipment in lieu of US-origin radio, communications security (COMSEC) and navigation equipment that apparently give American platforms an operational edge over similar systems available from elsewhere. By extension, it is claimed that the regional superiority that India was expecting via such procurement has been somewhat diminished. So, the question is: ‘Should India just sign COMCASA?’

In this piece, we argue that there are very good reasons for India to not rush into something like COMCASA.

What is COMCASA?

COMCASA essentially provides a legal framework for the transfer of COMSEC equipment from the US to India that would facilitate ‘interoperability’ between Indian and US forces, and potentially with other militaries as well that use US-origin systems for secure tactical data links. The US, however, tightly controls COMSEC technology and provides access to only those countries that have signed a CISMOA / COMCASA with it. Obviously, the current denial of this COMSEC equipment to Indian military forces means that they cannot really exchange tactical information with even friendly regional forces that might use CISMOA/COMCASA covered communication systems. Furthermore, not signing COMCASA also means that certain things such as high-precision GPS or the latest guidance packages for US-origin air to air missiles will not be available to India. Indeed, if a US origin fighter plane is selected for the recently announced ‘Make in India’ single-engine fighter aircraft procurement project, the pressure on India to sign COMCASA will likely increase, since the Indian Air force (IAF) will be hard put to integrate cutting edge non-US origin weapons with an American fighter platform.

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Having said that, even though the US maintains that COMCASA is only ‘foundational’ in nature and ‘innocuous’ in import, there are genuine reasons for India to be concerned about the implications of this agreement. For instance, from an Indian perspective, it is worth considering whether COMCASA has the potential to compromise India’s operational security while protecting that of the US. COMCASA may also increase pressure on India to source all of its COMSEC equipment from US vendors in the future.

At the end of day, secure communications require high-grade encryption algorithms and encryption-key management. An encryption algorithm operates the key over messages to produce an encrypted message that any intruder is supposed to find difficult to break, if he has no access to the keys. This also implies that all communication devices in a network need to be compatible with one another by incorporating the same encryption algorithms. Now COMCASA requires that US operators perform functions such as keying for the encryption. Indian operators will not be allowed to even participate in the maintenance of these systems. So, will India be comfortable with the presence of US designated personnel on Indian-procured US platforms for long durations of their operational life? In the COMCASA scheme of things, the US will basically end up controlling the entire communications and message flow for the sake of ‘interoperability’. Long term analysis of the message flow could end up revealing tactical doctrines adopted by Indian forces in combat.

Since communication devices and links currently in use with Indian Forces cannot interact with US-provided systems, it implies that any attempt to establish interoperability between a part of India’s inventory and participating US forces could actually lead to reduced ‘intra-operability’ within India’s own military. This is on account of the fact that COMCASA-covered equipment/platforms will become ‘incompatible’ with the rest of India’s inventory. This could lead to calls to ‘overhaul’ the Indian military’s entire network to COMCASA-compliant standards through wholesale import of US systems. Short of which India would have to willfully acquiesce to the creation of a divide in its inventory, thereby reducing the flexibility of field commanders to deploy available resources during action. Obviously, neither prospect is a particularly happy one for Indian military planners. The fact that COMCASA could lead to the secrecy of tactical doctrines getting compromised besides imposing greater complexity costs on India’s communication systems demands that a detailed study of the ground realities and practical implications of signing COMCASA be made prior to deciding on a course of action.

Captain Ramaprasad is a veteran Indian Navy submariner and is a recipient of the Vishisht Seva Medal (VSM) for his contributions towards the development of an indigenous combat management system for undersea applications
 

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French Navy To Receive Falcon 2000 Albatros Patrollers

Seven of the aircraft will be ordered under the current five-year military acquisition bill, and will be delivered from 2025. The remainder will be included in the following bill. The first aircraft is to be built and equipped entirely in France. The remainder are to be constructed as "green" airframes in India as part of the offsets associated with the Indian Rafale purchase, although role modifications will be performed in France. As part of the contract, Dassault will commit to a guaranteed availability clause and providing industrial support for at least 10 years.

So Reliance Makes the Dassault Falcon Jets components and its flying!!
yay!

peppu brigade will have to find another lie!
 

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It seriously breaks my heart to acknowledge this painful fact of our factories that had supplied millions of rounds of ammunition and thousands of armoured vehicles and guns for the second world war. The factories in India had helped to equip the 2.5 million british Indian military force, the largest all volunteer army in human history to levels that helped it take on and defeat the powerful Japanese in Burma and Malaya.

This was not a small capability, the post-independence realities saw these capabilities systematically degraded to such an extent that now India has become the world’s biggest arms importer with purchases of basic items such as assault rifles,125mm tank ammunition and 155mm artillery shells being undertaken from abroad .

How soon is it gonna get fixed ?
 

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