Make in India - Domestic Defense Manufacturing

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It seriously breaks my heart to acknowledge this painful fact of our factories that had supplied millions of rounds of ammunition and thousands of armoured vehicles and guns for the second world war. The factories in India had helped to equip the 2.5 million british Indian military force, the largest all volunteer army in human history to levels that helped it take on and defeat the powerful Japanese in Burma and Malaya.

This was not a small capability, the post-independence realities saw these capabilities systematically degraded to such an extent that now India has become the world’s biggest arms importer with purchases of basic items such as assault rifles,125mm tank ammunition and 155mm artillery shells being undertaken from abroad .

How soon is it gonna get fixed ?
Well a simple answer socialism happened. Our leader at that time heavily tried to copy USSR. Chicha feared army he used to think army will do coup against him. He purposely weakened army. Incompetent Leader+Socialism lead to this. Do you remember those days when a scooter cost kidney?
Honestly we should just privatise OFB. Reform Labor Laws who gives a f*ck for opposition. I hope once BJP get Rajya Sabha Majority they will bring labour reform.
 

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Surat to make fabric for uniforms of tri-services
manufacture 10 lakh metre of fabric for uniforms of Army, Navy and Air Force; delivery to be done by Jan 2021. Till now the fabrics were imported from China , Korea and Taiwan
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Surat to make fabric for uniforms of tri-services
manufacture 10 lakh metre of fabric for uniforms of Army, Navy and Air Force; delivery to be done by Jan 2021. Till now the fabrics were imported from China , Korea and Taiwan
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Why not replace the camouflage completely? The current one is not effective enough to be used in modern era.
 

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Well a simple answer socialism happened. Our leader at that time heavily tried to copy USSR. Chicha feared army he used to think army will do coup against him. He purposely weakened army. Incompetent Leader+Socialism lead to this. Do you remember those days when a scooter cost kidney?
Honestly we should just privatise OFB. Reform Labor Laws who gives a f*ck for opposition. I hope once BJP get Rajya Sabha Majority they will bring labour reform.
He did a half assed copy of the commie model, all the drawbacks, none of the benefits, OFB became a glorified MNREGA for "educated" individuals, same with other PSUs out there.
OFB should not be privatized, reforms should be done to the laws that deal with the management of these DPSUs, and then a massive purge should take place of the people who do unionbaazi the most.
These people must be first made unemployable, and later disappeared.
They must get all the benefits of PSU, but the price of failure and incompetence must be made clear, and continuous non performance should be rewarded with a boot from the organization.
Your continous gainful employment in a critical organization like a DPSU is not a given and must not be taken for granted.
 

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Well a simple answer socialism happened. Our leader at that time heavily tried to copy USSR. Chicha feared army he used to think army will do coup against him. He purposely weakened army. Incompetent Leader+Socialism lead to this. Do you remember those days when a scooter cost kidney?
Honestly we should just privatise OFB. Reform Labor Laws who gives a f*ck for opposition. I hope once BJP get Rajya Sabha Majority they will bring labour reform.
Do you remember those days when a scooter cost kidney?

Or waiting a month for a land line .


Or asking your dad/relatives/friends who works abroad to buy you foreign cloths/toys/chocolates.

And they come home with a large suit case and everyone stares at it.

Something todays young kids will not be able to comprehend.
 

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He did a half assed copy of the commie model, all the drawbacks, none of the benefits, OFB became a glorified MNREGA for "educated" individuals, same with other PSUs out there.
OFB should not be privatized, reforms should be done to the laws that deal with the management of these DPSUs, and then a massive purge should take place of the people who do unionbaazi the most.
These people must be first made unemployable, and later disappeared.
They must get all the benefits of PSU, but the price of failure and incompetence must be made clear, and continuous non performance should be rewarded with a boot from the organization.
Your continous gainful employment in a critical organization like a DPSU is not a given and must not be taken for granted.
Yes this is not mentioned.the public government model has the benefit of full control by the government and also the ability to splurge money into research regarding items that may not yield profits in the short term.

But the problem is many orgs like ofb got the worst of chinese- Soviet model but also took the worst of modern day private companies.they probably emphasize quotas for various communities more than being eager to fulfill their orders and to make small innovations in their products or to make them cheaper like today's woke companies.

Do you think in 1950s Soviet union with the Stalin guy around,him being very aware of the fact that a major component of his regime standing is his military.so you can think the standard which they held their arms and ammunition supply and research facilities to.they would have probably tolerated failed prototypes and dead end products to some extent but they won't tolerate strikes of the kind ofb makes and they would not tolerate the ammo quality issue.

Imagine Soviet tanks numbered in the 10000s given faulty ammo.imagine badly manufacturing aks and also being given faulty ammo for the same.many of These were elite units posted in east Germany and to take care of counter revolutions that was of utmost importance to the Soviets.

They would have gulaged the personnel involved in the factories.

In our case ,we should follow the option mentioned by shade and also diversify our supply to private players to supply basic thinks like grenades,ammo,uniforms,light weapons,etc slowly.public utilites should be for some strategic items to be produced like BEL,BEML and for research like drdo and isro.

Rest all should be divested away from.
 
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Do you remember those days when a scooter cost kidney?

Or waiting a month for a land line .


Or asking your dad/relatives/friends who works abroad to buy you foreign cloths/toys/chocolates.

And they come home with a large suit case and everyone stares at it.

Something todays young kids will not be able to comprehend.
If you had right contacts then you could get the scooter quickly!
This quickly meant 1-1.5 yr instead of usual 2.5-4 years. :frusty:
 

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Modi said “In 2014, the export of defence equipment from India was about Rs 2,000 crore. In the last two years, it has gone up to Rs 17,000 crore. In the next five years, our target is to increase exports to $5 billion, which is about Rs 35,000 crore.


Since 2001 out of 452 licenses issued, 109 had been issued in past three years. Such is the zeal with which India is jacking up a defence sector in the same period of 2015 to 2019, 204 proposals worth Rs. 4,04,880 Crore have been accorded Acceptance of Necessity (AoN), it means enabling indigenous capital procurement, in which Request for Proposal is issued only to Indian industries.


Stockholm International Peace Research Institute, (SIPRI), in March 2020, placed India on 23rd rank in the list of major arms exporters for 2015-2019 and 19th for 2019 also the 2018-19 report of ministry of defence records quantum jump of 100% of defense export from 2017-18 and over 700% since 2016-2017.

The achievements of India in defence sector since last six years are really commendable and would have been impossible without private sector contribution. Thar is no compelling argument as to why private sector had not been allowed in defence sector. It is pertinent to note that till 2014 India didn’t have a comprehensive export strategy in place. Exports kicked off after the Ministry of Defence issued NOC. As a part of Make in India initiative, Modi government undertook several reforms which giving fresh impetus for private sector participation, export promotion etc.

Credit facility had also been provided to interested countries for buying Indian defence products.

To achieve a target of Rs.35,000 crore export in next five years, India must overhaul its defence sector, encourage participation of private players, improve ease of doing business, make rapid technological advancements and invest in development of non-lethal military equipment.

Our country s needs a genius like gaspard monge, he was final boss of artillery production during napolean times goddamnit he turned churches into foundries for cannon production and melted down from copper from bells into gun barrels kek.
 

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French technology giant Thales sets up shop in Noida | Noida News - Times of India

MSME and export promotion minister Siddharth Nath Singh, who virtually inaugurated Thales’ new office, said, the global defence manufacturing giant has tied up with MKU Kanpur to produce night vision radars for the Indian army and has been manufacturing advanced devices for Rafale fighter jets.

The $20bn French firm, which is working in the field of technology with Indian companies, including HAL, BHEL, L&T will contribute to digital identity and security business and support Uttar Pradesh in developing technology and promote local skill development, he further said.

Thales India, country head, Emmanuel de Roquefeuil, said, “We are excited about the opportunity to manufactures devices like radar, electronics voice system, cockpit display system, power generation system for air convoys like Rafale. In addition, defence, aeronautics, space, transportation are also contributing to digital identity and security market.”


 

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D-Link May Start a New Production Unit in India: Report
D-Link is reportedly considering outsourcing production of its network devices in India. The Taiwanese company plans to start local production for the devices that are sold within India. By outsourcing production to India, D-Link aims to benefit from India's PLI (Production-Linked Incentive) scheme. As of now D-Link has a subsidiary in India, with the office located in Mumbai, although possible production sites are currently unknown.

Finally...Finally...Finally...routers and modems and other network devices getting built in India than at the enemy nation china


Nice to see the companies sensing the CONSUMER RESOLVE in Indian minds..vocal for local
 

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Do you remember those days when a scooter cost kidney?

Or waiting a month for a land line .


Or asking your dad/relatives/friends who works abroad to buy you foreign cloths/toys/chocolates.

And they come home with a large suit case and everyone stares at it.

Something todays young kids will not be able to comprehend.
Haha... My dad once related to me the story of how he bought his first scooter. You had to apply for buying scooters. Lucky draws would be held once every few months to decide who'd have the privilege to buy scooters. The waiting period for you to get possession of a scooter was about two years (or more). My dad got lucky when someone changed his mind upon being picked in a lucky draw. He let dad buy the scooter in his place for a small charge. These stories from pre-liberalization India should be included in every economics text book published in this country.
 
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ATMANIRBHAR BHARAT: AIMING FOR THE TOP
by Sandeep Unnithan

This year, India saw a convergence of multiple security threats, economic, military and health-related. A pandemic triggered an economic crisis and a military deployment by China triggered anxiety on the country’s northern borders. But, as they say, sometimes it takes a crisis to kickstart reform, especially in the defence sector.

In May, the ministry of defence (MoD) rolled out some of its biggest policy incentives to boost indigenous defence manufacturing. The biggest post-Independence reforms announced over the past year include the appointment of a new chief of defence staff (CDS), a decision to corporatize the 40 defence ordnance factories and banning certain defence imports. These will help India address the twin challenges of modernising its ageing military hardware and indigenising its military to achieve self-sufficiency.

The first India Today Defence Summit, held virtually on November 21, brought key stakeholders on board to discuss the MoD’s indigenisation drive. There was plenty of optimism about the current round of defence reforms which has set clear objectives and deliverables. It was heartening to see government officials speak of the public and private sector in the same breath, marking a huge change in attitude. There are, of course, concerns over the long road ahead, the yawning gap between technology and indigenous capacity and the slow pace of realisation between an intention and an order. The summit addressed these issues and many others.

The MoD’s Vision For Atmanirbhar Bharat

The defence ministry has, for the first time ever, set a goal of a $25 billion or Rs 1.75 lakh crore turnover in defence manufacturing in the next five years. This includes an export target of $5 billion or Rs 35,000 crore worth of military hardware. It has given a commitment of orders worth Rs 50,000 crore to the Indian industry each year and hiked FDI in defence under the automatic route from 49 per cent to 74 per cent.

Raj Kumar, secretary, defence production, says ‘Atmanirbhar Bharat’ is a step-up from the MoD’s 2016 ‘Make in India’ policy; it is an expression of confidence in indigenous capabilities. The MoD had announced a first negative list of 101 items (for which there would be an embargo on import) and is planning to follow soon with a second list. The course correction includes increasing the indigenous content in imported equipment and reserving items for production by Indian owned and controlled entities. The system is changing in unprecedented ways. As M.V. Gowtama, chairman and managing director of the public sector Bharat Electronics Ltd, says, Indian defence firms now routinely get tips on export opportunities from embassies and military attachés overseas, which was unheard of in the past. The key to all government policy, however, is time, particularly for private sector players in defence for whom time and money are inextricably linked. No one knows this better than Satyanarayan Nandlal Nuwal whose Solar Group is one of the world’s top five commercial explosives manufacturers and who is beginning to receive his first orders after nearly a decade of investing in the defence sector.

Investing In Future-Ready Defence Technologies

One of the biggest challenges facing India’s armed forces has been the need to equip itself with rapidly changing defence technologies. But, given the existing deficiencies in the defence industrial production base, these technologies are either never conceptualised or never acquired in time. It could well be argued that the current procurements for warships, tanks and fighter aircraft were part of an earlier ‘revolution in military affairs’, whereas the blistering rate of change means that the era of the ‘disruption in military affairs’, where hypersonic missiles, combat drones and robots, can potentially change the face of war. India’s previous system of users, designers and production agencies working in silos rather than jointly is not fit for the purpose of acquiring rapidly-evolving critical technologies.

The panellists, which included an official from the government’s premier defence research agency, a leading private sector producer and a military-academic, highlighted the need to rethink technologies, a civil-military fusion with armed forces driving procurements while being plugged into a network comprising the DRDO, academia and industry. This is the approach the US followed in the past century and what China has done in the present one. This is the only way India can boost its percentage of indigenous military hardware to a desired 80 or 90 per cent.

Small Arms, Big Worries

When Will India Become Atmanirbhar In Small Arms?

Among the biggest Indian defence conundrums is that a country that is self-sufficient in making intercontinental ballistic missiles is today shopping for simple assault rifles from the US, Russia and, believe it or not, even the UAE. Beginning this year, the world’s second-largest army began receiving its first US-made assault rifles and will set up a production line to build a Russian rifle. There is a promise meanwhile that future procurements will be made from the Indian industry, but so far there is no sign of this happening.

Small arms manufacturing was a public sector monopoly, specifically of the giant ordnance factories. The problem, as articulated by our panellists, a decorated Indian army general, a former chairman of the Ordnance Factory Board and the CEO of a Bengaluru-based start-up, is this: most of the technology and knowhow are already available within the country, but we need guidance and synergy that will come from all stakeholders being on board. The army, in particular, needs to have skin in the game by encouraging the development of an indigenous small arms industry, just as manufacturers do, to make investments in production capacity.

From A Builder’s Navy To An Exporter’s Navy

Can Indian Shipbuilding Make This Leap?

An area where the government’s export push has great potential is the design, construction and export of warships. India is fully self-sufficient in warship construction, it makes all classes of fighting vessels, from aircraft carriers to frigates, in its domestic shipyards. The country still has some distance to go before it can break into the export market, but now would be a good time to begin. This year, the Garden Reach Shipyard and Engineers (GRSE) Ltd delivered the fourth and last unit of the Kamorta class anti-submarine corvette, the warship with an indigenous content of over 80 per cent, the highest ever for an Indian platform. Indigenous designs like these have export potential.

The panellists, the head of one of India’s largest public sector shipyards and the head of the defence division of India’s largest private sector defence player, agreed that it was time for India to start developing and exporting complete platforms. The India head of Spain’s largest shipyard, another panellist, explained how his country broke into the highly competitive world of global warship exports, first by meeting the needs of their navy by gradually indigenising platforms and then focusing on export markets.
 

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Why not replace the camouflage completely? The current one is not effective enough to be used in modern era.
It will be in a while. And existing camo can't just be replaced one day, it will be phased out over time. And stuff like ballistic vests, jackets, belts, etc. will remain for a long time.
 

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It will be in a while. And existing camo can't just be replaced one day, it will be phased out over time. And stuff like ballistic vests, jackets, belts, etc. will remain for a long time.
MAROAT is already in Mass use by many units of Army and CAPFs. BSF uniform also looks shitty.
 

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I know it's shooklaw but read the article once, aise banega atmanirbhar bharat smh...
Import lobby is too strong bhaiyaji. Lagta hai IA don't like indigenous Artillery. Atmanirbhar ka kachra ho gaya
 

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