Make in India - Domestic Defense Manufacturing

[Synergy]

The navy has it's own design team's and board's.

yep. that's why we don't see any similar drama regarding warships. Army and AF should also follow the suit.

 

[HawkisRight]

I can understand some items are emergency purchases but these small items should have been made in India . Ridiculous this is an emergency purchase from a country that is not even a major arms manufacturer

We are buying arms from Arabs for fks sake.. Indian Defence procurement are pathetic to say least...no vision,no roadmap,no startegy

 

[ARVION]

Today's Thread's is dedicated's to the all great person's, sitting on the high Chair's and working toward's making an great impact's by giving help in decision making of import lobby's and processing the emergency's procument's for the sake of the procument's.

 

[Suryavanshi]

MoD's will force the expert's to give up by frequent troturing's.

And these jokers are being tolerated by the government why?

 

[garg_bharat]

We are buying arms from Arabs for fks sake.. Indian Defence procurement are pathetic to say least...no vision,no roadmap,no startegy

Why is that a problem?
We can buy products made by slave labour in China and North Korea but Arabs are pariah somehow?

At least a quarter of UAE is made up of Indians.

 

[fire starter]

We are buying arms from Arabs for fks sake.. Indian Defence procurement are pathetic to say least...no vision,no roadmap,no startegy

sure when we have PSU like OFB army will procure it from every tom dick and harry around the world.

 

[ezsasa]

I remember an episode from Flop show they are doing meeting's after meeting's due to VIP's File's were eaten by the Rat's. And they had come to the a decision a further date's for the next meeting's.

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and i have seen this happen multiple times in govt projects.

 

[ARVION]

And these jokers are being tolerated by the government why?

Sitting every where at the MoD's.

 

[Suryavanshi]

Why is that a problem?
We can buy products made by slave labour in China and North Korea but Arabs are pariah somehow?

At least a quarter of UAE is made up of Indians.

Defence equipment isn't the same as nuts and bolts of car that we are importing from China and North Korea.

UAE doesn't grow it's own food, doesn't have steel mine or mills, doesn't have 100s of IITs, NITs and IISCs like us.

Still they can produce a decent rifle. What does this mean? Where does the fault lie?

 

[fire starter]

some thing seriously need to done with these PSU the number of useless weapons that they have made is scary and none of them saw light of the day.
It's better to shut down these underperforming labs and divert their funds for strategic projects.

 

[ARVION]

some thing seriously need to done with these PSU the number of useless weapons that they have made is scary and none of them saw light of the day.
It's better to shut down these underperforming labs and divert their funds for strategic projects.

Corporatione's strike, Privatizinone's March, Selling Stakes Hunger Strike's, Automatione's Sticking to the union's. That's what the OFB's is all about's.

 

[janme]

Where is the Indian equivalent of a Caracal-816 or a similar AR-15 style carbine?

Where is OFB in the game?

I don't care if we even source the weapon from Pakistan. The damn weapon should work in a gunfight.

Why did CRPF junk the INSAS? They are easily arm twisted by the HM and made to capitulate no?

The concerns they raised were genuine or the COBRAs would have been forced to carry the INSAS into battle to this day.

The main thing which Saurav jha doesn't say or won't dare say apart from the issue of import dalas is that Army doesn't want to touch anything that is being manufactured by OFB, therefore there is a deliberate attempt by Army to import anything which undercuts OFB orders. DRDO knows this that's why they are pushing to give license to the private sector also along with OFB for mass manufacturing. This is Army's way of cutting down OFB to size in the long term since politicians won't do it.

 

[fire starter]

Defence equipment isn't the smar as nuts and bolts of car that we are importing from China and North Korea.

UAE doesn't grow it's own food, doesn't have steel mine or mills, doesn't have 100s of IITs, NITs and IISCs like us.

Still they can produce a decent rifle. What does this mean? Where does the fault lie?

caracal is a german company so there guns are designed by germans not by local goat fuckers.

 

[fire starter]

The main thing which Saurav jha doesn't say or won't dare to say apart from the issue of import dalas is that Army doesn't want to touch anything that is being manufactured by OFB, therefore there is a deliberate attempt by Army to import anything which undercuts OFB orders. DRDO knows this that's why they are pushing to give license to the private sector also along with OFB for mass amnufacturing.

guess what OFB can't even manufacture ammo properly I don't understand why are we even tolerating this chutiya organisation.

 

[Suryavanshi]

caracal is a german company so there guns are designed by germans not by local goat fuckers.

My point still stands we are making rockets what's stopping us from making guns.

If babus are stalling the program than they need to be sacked.
How long are we going to import basic guns and ammunition.
Even the Tirchy rifle gets dusted by the army.

 

[Illusive]

Japan Establishes China And North Korea As Adversaries To Justify Militarization

On July 14th, Japan said that it was closely monitoring attempts by China to boost its global influence and was...

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So Japan comes out of pacifist policy.

Japan's military can now expand and buy billions of dollars of new armaments. Prime beneficiary will be American MIC. So finally Trump has got the means to keep its support base intact as economy of certain States like Texas will get a boost.

I think Australia is also on a weapon buying spree.

China has set many balls rolling at once.

At least they set the ball rolling for Indian 'Emergency' acquisition. Living in the world's most dangerous neighborhood doesn't give you the room for overlooking defense preparedness. But here we are.

How many moles, how many dallas sitting in those important chairs for decision-making putting spanner on every important plans. Not to forget the useless organization leeching of public money doing nothing.

 

[garg_bharat]

Defence equipment isn't the same as nuts and bolts of car that we are importing from China and North Korea.

UAE doesn't grow it's own food, doesn't have steel mine or mills, doesn't have 100s of IITs, NITs and IISCs like us.

Still they can produce a decent rifle. What does this mean? Where does the fault lie?

They can produce a decent rifle. And not only a decent rifle but many other decent things. While using South Asian people as workers.

Which proves there is something seriously wrong in India - and it is called political system.

 

[ARVION]

They can produce a decent rifle. And not only a decent rifle but many other decent things. While using South Asian people as workers.

Which proves there is something seriously wrong in India - and it is called political system.

Well we could just under private companies.

 

[prasadr14]

Looking at how we are scrambling for weapons from all over the world...

I am disgusted at MOD and the PSU's manufacturing our armaments.
This is nothing short of treason...

 

[another_armchair]

The main thing which Saurav jha doesn't say or won't dare say apart from the issue of import dalas is that Army doesn't want to touch anything that is being manufactured by OFB, therefore there is a deliberate attempt by Army to import anything which undercuts OFB orders. DRDO knows this that's why they are pushing to give license to the private sector also along with OFB for mass manufacturing. This is Army's way of cutting down OFB to size in the long term since politicians won't do it.

This is strictly w.r.t small arms.

1. How many original weapon designs/prototypes has OFB produced since its inception barring the INSAS family and MSMC/JVPC(it is actually an ARDE product)?

2. If they did manage to churn one out, how cheap/expensive was it compared to a better imported product?

3. Who eventually pays the price for a sub standard OFB weapon when a better, cheaper, durable imported alternative is available?

OFB quality can range from OK to bad to abysmal.

4. When was the first INSAS rifle delivered to the Army? How has the weapon evolved from the first batch to the latest INSAS-1C?

5. Private sector is taking the 'shana' OFB route of screw driveri only.
Only hope is their production quality will be better as parts would be made by OEM suppliers.

6. DRDO develops a product from scratch.
Does it manufacture?
No.

Therein lies the problem my friend and the problems range in nearly every product that's made in India except for the trucks (Leyland, Tata) which aren't really chronic and both OEMS are very proactive in dealing with issues, Leyland in particular. They have invested over a decade in merely testing their equipment with the Army alone.

Am I denying corruption in defence procurement by Armed forces?
No.
There is corruption and is quite rampant in DGMF but that does not absolve DPSU's from their inefficiencies and incomptency.