Main Battle Tanks and Armour Technology

[shuvo@y2k10]

The Polish Army already has upgraded Leo2A4. It would make more sense to go for Leo2A7, for training and logistical commonality.

Also, US is in the process of itself inducting M1A2 sepv3. So at maximum they will offer Poland is something similar to M1A2 T (which they are selling to Taiwan), which is a variant of M1A2 sep V2.

 

[asianobserve]

The Polish Army already has upgraded Leo2A4. It would make more sense to go for Leo2A7, for training and logistical commonality.

Also, US is in the process of itself inducting M1A2 sepv3. So at maximum they will offer Poland is something similar to M1A2 T (which they are selling to Taiwan), which is a variant of M1A2 sep V2.

Poland is getting the new SEPV3 starting next according to the news.

 

[shuvo@y2k10]

Poland is getting the new SEPV3 starting next according to the news.

It is always a question of what we want and what we get.
For example, some in Indian Army want T-14 Armata. But at max, Russia will sell downgraded export version T-14S.
Similarly, Poland may want M1A2 Sepv3, but at max US will sell them something similar to M1A2T that they sold to Taiwan.

 

[BlackViking]

New top-attack protection cage armor for Russian Armour.
Is it any good?
@Chinmoy @Bleh @Karthi @porky_kicker

 

[WARREN SS]

It is always a question of what we want and what we get.
For example, some in Indian Army want T-14 Armata. But at max, Russia will sell downgraded export version T-14S.
Similarly, Poland may want M1A2 Sepv3, but at max US will sell them something similar to M1A2T that they sold to Taiwan.

Well Russians given us T-90s what was the best available to them that time when we ordered
It in first lot in 2002-2003

They given us best Fighter in there inventory
In 1998
When Su-35 was in prototype stage

It's was incompetence of our Bureaucracy and military leadership which never thought about upgrading and innovation

Infact Russians will offer us T-90MS
Multiple times but MOD not budge

We ordered S-400 they given us better deal than China

They given us Supersonic cruise missiles
Technology
When Pakistan got Reverse engineered Tomahawk by Chinese

Nuclear submarines for Training
Consultation in development of first nuclear reactor in SLBM

Not talk about back end Development of a Ballastic missiles programs and space technology

 

[JBH22]

Well Russians given us T-90s what was the best available to them that time when we ordered
It in first lot in 2002-2003

They given us best Fighter in there inventory
In 1998
When Su-35 was in prototype stage

It's was incompetence of our Bureaucracy and military leadership which never thought about upgrading and innovation

Infact Russians will offer us T-90MS
Multiple times but MOD not budge

We ordered S-400 they given us better deal than China

They given us Supersonic cruise missiles
Technology
When Pakistan got Reverse engineered Tomahawk by Chinese

Nuclear submarines for Training
Consultation in development of first nuclear reactor in SLBM

Not talk about back end Development of a Ballastic missiles programs and space technology

Glad someone finally said this.
We tend to pass buck of our failures on someone else. Just imagine not T-90s or Su 30MKI, we would be fighting Pakistani with sticks and stones waiting for indigenous or western arms.
Fact remain all our wars that were won was largely due to those very Russian weapons. Yes post 1990s chaos, some deals were botched up. But putting all eggs in western arms would be disastrous for us in the longer term.

 

[Karthi]

New top-attack protection cage armor for Russian Armour.
Is it any good?
@Chinmoy @Bleh @Karthi @porky_kicker

It can give a certain degree of protection from various warheads firing at Tank . This cage can disrupt the warhead and also can confuse the fusing mechanism . I am not a tank expert so I don't know how much effective it against modern ATGMs but certainly helps to reduce the impact

 

[jackprince]

New top-attack protection cage armor for Russian Armour.
Is it any good?
@Chinmoy @Bleh @Karthi @porky_kicker

But it increases its silhouette and paints a target on it. Would the protection from top attack be worth it if you are visible from even greater distance?

But, I guess the bars can be camouflaged?

 

[Akim]

These visors are effective against drone strikes. Now many different types of UAVs can hit tanks (from a heavy attack drone to a small quadcopter that carries a cumulative bomb).

 

[Chinmoy]

New top-attack protection cage armor for Russian Armour.
Is it any good?
@Chinmoy @Bleh @Karthi @porky_kicker

As @Akim pointed out, a good protection from drone attack. But an ATGM like Javelin would cook off your sensors on turret even if it can't penetrate the turret.

But overall a good Jugaad.

 

[Okabe Rintarou]

APFSDS are almost immune to Hard-kill APS. As far as I know, Afghanit on Armata was the first APS to claim effectiveness against APFSDS. Ukranian Zaslon is another APS that seems effective against APFSDS. Zaslon is used on Turkish tanks and now Pakistan has approached Ukraine for 200 Zaslon APS. Meanwhile our tanks lack even soft-kill APS. Absolute state of Indian Armour.

Somebody ran simulations on both systems' effectiveness based on open-source info:-

Afghanit:-





Zaslon:-



Zaslon seems more effective if the APS round can get close enough. Afghanit otherwise.

 

[bhramos]

 

[Haldilal]

Ya'll Nibbiars ek tank kitne mein hai. Abhi jayage MOD Wales.

And Here goes The FRCV and The FMBT and into the dustbin.

 

[Love Charger]

Ya'll Nibbiars ek tank kitne mein hai. Abhi jayage MOD Wales.

And Here goes The FRCV and Th3 FMBT and into the dustbin.

Tanks will be supplied from rusia .
India may sign some deal with them on 6 december

 

[ladder]

Ya'll Nibbiars ek tank kitne mein hai. Abhi jayage MOD Wales.

Wholesale market hai bhaisaheb...ek ka rate nahi batatey...thok bhav pucho...minimum quantity 1000.

 

[Love Charger]

Wholesale market hai bhaisaheb...ek ka rate nahi batatey...thok bhav pucho...minimum quantity 1000.

600

 

[Love Charger]

Ya'll Nibbiars ek tank kitne mein hai. Abhi jayage MOD Wales.

And Here goes The FRCV and Th3 FMBT and into the dustbin.

Haldi aap bhav pucho

 

[Love Charger]

Ya'll Nibbiars 2.4 billion dollars and please pay in Euros.

Rubles

 

[bhramos]

Ya'll Nibbiars ek tank kitne mein hai. Abhi jayage MOD Wales.

And Here goes The FRCV and The FMBT and into the dustbin.

T-14 is also part of FMBT, and only tank that perfectly fits FMBT tender.
it comes around 50 tons (+/- 5) and all others tanks are above 65+ tons.

 

[bhramos]

Rubles

Russia also sells weapons in Barter System, pay in palm oil or some fruits and vegetables.