According to an older Jane's article, the Type 90/MBT-2000/Al-Khalid are estimated to have 600 mm thick turret armour and 450 to 470 mm thick hull nose/glacis armour.Sure? Are you sure?
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According to an older Jane's article, the Type 90/MBT-2000/Al-Khalid are estimated to have 600 mm thick turret armour and 450 to 470 mm thick hull nose/glacis armour.Sure? Are you sure?
Damian thanks, but I was refering to comparing costs between tanks, I know that for example a Leclerc or a K2 is way better than for example an Ariete, but price speaking one can buy two Ariete for the price of the leclerc or 3 for the k2.Tank as a weapon system is a cheap weapon system, cheap and effective.
Tank ammunition is one of the cheapest you can find, and also very effective.
Tanks do not burn as much fuel as for example aircrafts or navy vessels, and do not cost such astronomicly high prices as them.
Tanks can actually take, hold and control territory, no aerial platform can do this, and to operate in AO aerial platforms needs to constantly burn a lot of fuel, tanks, meh, you place them somewhere, turn off engines and voila.
Overall tanks, or ground combat armored vehicles, are very, very cheap, and very, very effective (if used properly by well trained and motivated crews).
It is that anoying aerospace industry and "flyboys" propaganda that shows tanks as cost inefficent or combat ineffective, while reality is very different.
Only just in recent years a serious analisis about weapon systems cost effectiveness and battle effectiveness were made, and all of these analisis are very in favor for tanks or ground combat vehicles in general.
Aerial platforms on the other hand are... meh, their costs are just too high, and capabilities overhyped.
Navy vessels are a bit different thing, however their costs are also astronomically high.
Paradoxally then, ground forces are the cheapest and most cost effective, while also being most numerous.
But now think how many weaker tanks are worth better tanks?Damian thanks, but I was refering to comparing costs between tanks, I know that for example a Leclerc or a K2 is way better than for example an Ariete, but price speaking one can buy two Ariete for the price of the leclerc or 3 for the k2.
So for example when you are analyzing Chinese/Pakistan tanks could you take in account the price?.
I'm neither saying that numbers wins over quality, (and I have been following the topic so I already knew about your posts).But now think how many weaker tanks are worth better tanks?
What if 1 Leclerc is worth 4 Ariete?
What if 1 M1A2SEPv2 is worth 10 T-55's?
And still, look at one of my previous posts, NATO members and their allies actually have more tanks thank rest of threats and potential competition.
US Army have 2000+ M1A2SEPv2's vs PRC having no more than 1000 cheaper and less capable ZTZ-99.
PRC has 3000+ Type 96.US Army have 2000+ M1A2SEPv2's vs PRC having no more than 1000 cheaper and less capable ZTZ-99.
You wish.PRC has 3000+ Type 96.
Check your date in the wikiYou wish.
it was about 2500 and half of them was rebuild to Type-96A
Type-99 is in circa 800 pieces and Type-99A2 circa 200
Acually, Methos, Im not sure at all,According to an older Jane's article, the Type 90/MBT-2000/Al-Khalid are estimated to have 600 mm thick turret armour and 450 to 470 mm thick hull nose/glacis armour.
Weapon systems cost are not fixed and depend on many factors.I'm neither saying that numbers wins over quality, (and I have been following the topic so I already knew about your posts).
What I meant isnt quality vs numbers, just to know the price, nothing else ;-).
Because at the end this topic sounds like the classic topic in historic forum were people discuss on how Tigers stompt down everything without considering that at the end who won the war were the T-34/shermans.
And this bring results like indonesia buying the Leo that is totally useless for them and are confined to urban area where they literrally destroy the street mantle.
And USA have besides these 2000 M1A2SEPv2's, also 5400 other variants of M1A1 and maybe also some lefto overs from M1/M1IP variants which were not upgraded yet, all these tanks belong to ARNG (2000 M1A1SA + some M1A2SEPv2), USMC (400 M1A1FEP and M1A1HC) and rest is in reserve storage (around 3000). What is more important is that these tanks can still be upgraded to newer variants, and even more important, USA still have capability to manufature new tanks of this type in the newest avaiable version, if nececary.PRC has 3000+ Type 96.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Type_96Check your date in the wiki
Guys I made a mistake - heavy one...
@Dazller - you have absolutly right!
550mm armour module + circa 150-170mm backplate = 700 maybe 720mm LOS max
sorry for very wrong previous measurment :/ my shamefull mistake acually
Results:Al khalid-1 (2007-08) composite module highlighted in blue line.. also notice thickened hull side armour with old side skirts removed.
in the absence of raw data, measuring is perhaps the closest thing one can do. You are pretty close to what i saw few years ago. Surprisingly, i also thought the hull armor was on par with turret armor, or pretty close in thickness. When asked, i was told that this was the prime reason for the hull to be longer than traditional type-59 based modules. Even in t-72, t-80 and 90s, we see a visible slope in hull shape.Hull:
there is visible welding line when special armour cavity is ending. Frontplate is hard to see on those photo BUT it shoud be as I marked.
More or less - circa 800mm for special armour + forntplate
Well Al Khalid-1 semms to be nice protcted tank:
Turret:
special armour module: 670mm LOS + backpplate (100-150mm) = 770-850mm LOS
Hull:
special armour module at least 670mm LOS + frontplate (100-150mm) = the same
What a bad firing.....M1 Abrams firing stationary and on the move, it is a mix bag, despite having a good FCS, crew skill is always a deciding factor...
M1 Abrams Tank Gunnery HQ - YouTube
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