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check your eyes.
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check your eyes.
There are many different factors to be taken into account other than the fire control system, like the ammunition or the crew skill. It could be that during the first three shots the gunner was aiming at the upper right corner of the tank, but he changed his aim point for the last shot. Then the dispersion of the shots would be average and not terribly bad.
It is most likely the stabilization. Older tanks like the Leopard 1 and M60 only could fire accurately during the move at lower speeds.T-72 B3M has to go "walking speed" while shooting stationary targets? What FCS it has, anyone?
The dispersion is measured from the center of all impact places, not from the center of the target (the cross). To hit the target closer at the center of the cross the FCS can be tweaked or the aim point changed.This is wrong, if that square is 1 meter, then the group is >0.5m horizontal. 0.5m/1000m = 0.0005, arcsin(0.0005) = 0.02865 degree = 0.5 mils = 1.71 MOA
again, prove the target in your pic is hitted by a leo at "moving 35km'h from 1600-1800m".And result is visible:
You did not prove anything but showed us a manual.What was unclear here?
I proven this.
Sucht "tank target No.60" is used in Polish army in case Leopard-2 only during TWO shooting .
And I postad link whit pdf whit offcial polish moD data. So what is unclear here?
whit copied rusian TKN commander sight and others.
Photos:17.12.2005
Szkolenie poligonowe OSP
W okresie od 30.11.2005 r. do 16.12.2005 r. 2 kompania czołgów z 1bcz zrealizowała szkolenie poligonowe na OSP Świętoszów .
W dniu 01.12.05r.na SBCz 2 kcz została poddana strzelaniu szkolnemu nr 2N tj. strzelanie w ruchu, o charakterze sprawdzającym z czołgu L2A4 osiągając następujące wyniki
1. Strzelanie szkolne nr 2N , strzelaÅ‚o 14 załóg, 12 bardzo dobrych, 2 – dobre. Ocena Å›rednia 4,86 (5)
Skuteczność trafień pierwszym pociskiem 120mm - 100% tj. 14/14
Skuteczność trafień ogniem z 7,62mm km MG-3A1 - 85,7% tj. 12/14
W dniu 08.12.05 2kcz zrealizowała strzelanie bojowe nr B1 i B1N tj strzelanie różnymi sposobami w różnych reżimach i trybach pracy SKO czołgu Leo 2A4 w dzień i w nocy. Uzyskano następujące wyniki :
2. Strzelanie bojowe nr B1 , strzelaÅ‚o 13 załóg, 10 bardzo dobrych, 3 – dobre.
Ocena średnia 4,77 (5)
Skuteczność trafień pierwszym pociskiem 120mm - 97,6% tj. 41/42
Skuteczność trafień ogniem z 7,62mm km MG-3A1 - 76,9% tj. 10/13
3. Strzelanie bojowe nr B1N, strzelało 15 załóg czołgów, 11 ocen bdb, 4 oceny dobre, ocena średnia 4,73 (5)
Skuteczność trafień pierwszym pociskiem 120mm - 97,8% tj. 45/46
Skuteczność trafień ogniem z 7,62mm km MG-3A1 - 73,3% tj. 11/15
So,is that says the target is hitted by a leo at "moving 35km'h from 1600-1800m"?Or this:
..:: 10BKPanc :: 2005 ::..
Photos:
enought?
if not OPEN this pdf:
http://www.rzi.hg.pl/pliki/wozy_bojowe.pdf
and chceck details for:
"7.6.1.2. Strzelanie szkolne
Nr 2 – strzelanie w ruchu"
and
"7.6.1.4. Strzelanie szkolne Nr 4 – strzelanie różnymi sposobami w różnych trybach i reżimach pracy SKO"
whit copied rusian TKN commander sight and others.
Yes, you have all:So,is that says the target is hitted by a leo at "moving 35km'h from 1600-1800m"?
"trening shooting no.2 shooting in moving to checkt tank Leeopard-2A4 whit sucht result:strzelaniu szkolnemu nr 2N tj. strzelanie w ruchu, o charakterze sprawdzającym z czołgu L2A4 osiągając następujące wyniki
Skuteczność trafień pierwszym pociskiem 120mm - 100% tj. 14/14
1.at what speed?Yes, you have all:
1. Gunnery descripsion given on offcial polish 10 Armoured Tank Cavalery Bde page:
"trening shooting no.2 shooting in moving to checkt tank Leeopard-2A4 whit sucht result:
effectiveness of hitting target by first round 120mm -100% 14/14"
and you have photos of hit targts, and official polish MoD instruction whit distance -in this case:
1600-1800m.
etc.
No doubt, evidence are givven:
1) oficial manual form polish MoD
2) photos
3) accurate descripsion on polish 10Tk.Cav.Bde page
whit copied rusian TKN commander sight and others.
35km/h1.at what speed?
was given fourt times before:2.what is the distance?
type-96A:
TPD-K1:
Type-96A:
(i know - pooor quality but central mark visible )
TKN-3 (notice marks)
Type-96A:
while in main sight I can have a doubts, then commander sight is without doubt chineese copy of the TKN-3 or simmilar even sight marks are the same
where is the 35km/h from?35km/h
was given fourt times before:
1600-1800m
But it doesnt change fact that comander sight in T-90A is cloned TKN-3.yeah, the "poor copy" had total 92.8% accuracy against 60% of the original one.
Propably yes.where is the 35km/h from?
Is that related to moving position 1600-1800m 100% accuracy?
lol, sometimes you acts like DamianThe dispersion is measured from the center of all impact places, not from the center of the target (the cross). To hit the target closer at the center of the cross the FCS can be tweaked or the aim point changed.
No. The dispersion is measured from the center of all impacts. The gunner does not necessarily aim at the center of the target, hence it is not 0.5 m dispersion, but the numbers provided in the image. You apparently don't know anything about these images, they are part of a trial to use U.S. ammunition in the Leopard 2. Given that the Leopard 2 has a different fire control system than the M1 Abrams (and as the Leopard 2A6 a longer gun), the data used in the fire control are not as exact which might lead to a bad aiming point as in these photos. The dispersion however is however independent of the aiming point, a simple update with more accurate values for the fire control system and the center might be hit more easily - the dispersion however stays the same.lol, sometimes you acts like Damian
View the below picture, I marked the horizontal dispersion, which is greater than 0.5m, e.g 0.5mil at 1000m
photo hosting
It is your homemade "fact".But it doesnt change fact that comander sight in T-90A is cloned TKN-3.
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