Main Battle Tanks and Armour Technology

[Damian]

Yeah, "bad firing", especially that they hit with 1st shot almost every target they aims at.

You people are just blind and don't understand that targets won't explode and that training ammo is inert which means no explosion. Targets are just cardboard or paper made, you won't see the hit especially at such distance, but projectiles just go through them and then hit ground behind creating large dust and earth clouds.


Pffff, opinions made by amateurs talking about things they don't understand...

 

[p2prada]

@Dazzler

What APFSDS shells are used by PA today? And where do you manufacture them?

 

[Akim]

I'm neither saying that numbers wins over quality, (and I have been following the topic so I already knew about your posts).

What I meant isnt quality vs numbers, just to know the price, nothing else ;-).

Because at the end this topic sounds like the classic topic in historic forum were people discuss on how Tigers stompt down everything without considering that at the end who won the war were the T-34/shermans.

And this bring results like indonesia buying the Leo that is totally useless for them and are confined to urban area where they literrally destroy the street mantle.

The experience of the Russian-Ukrainian war: it is better to recover 10 T-64BW than to buy 1 BM Oplot.

 

[Dazzler]

The experience of the Russian-Ukrainian war: it is better to recover 10 T-64BW than to buy 1 BM Oplot.

how many BM Oplots (if any) were lost? I saw few BM Bulats bundled probably by artillery fire or multiple ATGM hits from different angles.

 

[Akim]

how many BM Oplots (if any) were lost? I saw few BM Bulats bundled probably by artillery fire or multiple ATGM hits from different angles.

None. Because they are not involved in the ATO. Their minuscule. Tank duels are rare.

 

[Dazzler]

@Dazzler

What APFSDS shells are used by PA today? And where do you manufacture them?

for 125mm guns (Alkhalid, T-80ud, t-85IIAP, Alzarrar mbts)

1. POF p-12 tungsten round

2. NDC Naiza (depleted uranium round)

3. ARDE pII (tungsten round)

4. New POF round with unknown designation that i posted pics here..known to give more than 620+mm penetration

more info here..

...::akistan Ordnance Factory:::...

 

[Dazzler]

None. Because they are not involved in the ATO. Their minuscule. Tank duels are rare.

This low intensity conflict is fast becoming a high intensity one, what if these rebels penetrate other areas?

 

[Akim]

This low intensity conflict is fast becoming a high intensity one, what if these rebels penetrate other areas?

This is a full war with the use of aircraft, tactical missiles, artillery and tanks. On the one hand, the Ukrainian army and the Interior Ministry, on the other side- Russian rebels and the Russian army. Huge losses in armored vehicles. Indirect, it is possible to corroborate the fact. That Russia supplied the rebels in the early T-64BV, then the T-64A. When they ran out of T-72B. At the end of August to early September, the Ukrainian army to repel the attacks of the T-72BA and T-72B3. The war can not yet spread to other regions, because Putler not strong enough to keep these regions.

 

[JBH22]

This is a full war with the use of aircraft, tactical missiles, artillery and tanks. On the one hand, the Ukrainian army and the Interior Ministry, on the other side- Russian rebels and the Russian army. Huge losses in armored vehicles. Indirect, it is possible to corroborate the fact. That Russia supplied the rebels in the early T-64BV, then the T-64A. When they ran out of T-72B. At the end of August to early September, the Ukrainian army to repel the attacks of the T-72BA and T-72B3. The war can not yet spread to other regions, because Putler not strong enough to keep these regions.

You know if his forces enter Ukraine its a matter of days before he takes Kiev

What about T-80 which is also in service with Pakistan? I see only T-72 and T-64 tanks

 

[Akim]

You know if his forces enter Ukraine its a matter of days before he takes Kiev

What about T-80 which is also in service with Pakistan? I see only T-72 and T-64 tanks

It's one thing to capture, and another thing to hold territory. To break the Ukrainian army in Putler strength, but to keep only with the aid of punitive operations. In the occupied territories of Donbass acts guerrilla movement. Kill the militants, destroy their military equipment.
The MBT T-80BV, T-80U , the T-80UD in Ukraine should not in service. They are held in reserve. T-80, expensive in operation the tank.

 

[Damian]

Abramsy strzelajÄ… na drawskim poligonie

US Army armor company in Poland. In general US Army currently have 2 armor battalions in Europe, first battalion is in Germany, second battalion is spread in Poland (1x company) and baltic states (2 or 3 companies, one company in each state).

Note: Americans will train with 7th Coast Defence Brigade, which uses mostly older vehicles like BMP-1 seen on photos.

 

[Akim]

Abramsy strzelajÄ… na drawskim poligonie

Why "sandy camouflage"?

 

[Damian]

They didn't had time to repaint them, this unit and their vehicles normally are stationing in desert and arid/semi-arid regions of USA.

 

[Zebra]

* Ultimate Factories_ M1 Abrams Tank Part 1_2

Ultimate Factories_ M1 Abrams Tank Part 1_2 - YouTube

Published on Apr 19, 2013, by ENdocumentary



* Ultimate Factories_ M1 Abrams Tank Part 2_2


Published on Apr 20, 2013, by ENdocumentary

 

[W.G.Ewald]

They didn't had time to repaint them, this unit and their vehicles normally are stationing in desert and arid/semi-arid regions of USA.

Heavy armor returns to Europe to support rotational forces | Article | The United States Army

 

[Damian]

M1A2SEPv1's and M2A3's from USA, and our BMP-1's belonging to 7th Coastal Defence Brigade, hopefully soon BMP-1's will be replaced by our new IFV, these things are archaic!

 

[LaVictoireEstLaVie]

In other news.......

According to Robert Griffin's Book Challenger 1 Main Battle Tank Vol. II:

"The ROMOR reactive armor upgrade added to the challenger's lower front plate consisted of a carrier fixed to the toe plate of the tank, into which ERA blocks were fitted. This was the only part of the frontal armour not fitted with Chobham armour, with rolled homogenous steel armour only 70 mm thick, for the Challenger's armour layout had been optimized to fight hull-down"

 

[Damian]

So we have confirmation that many of us were right about Challenger 1, and this also means that Challenger 2 probably have similiar armor layout.

 

[Damian]

http://www.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/a608067.pdf

Very interesting document. It says that USMC have 442 M1A1 MBT's, and all were upgraded to M1A1FEP standard. Tanks are overhauled and modernized in quantity of 30-40 per year.

442 MBT's in fleet, that's a lot, most western Europe states within their whole armed forces don't have as many tanks, most have +/- 250 tanks at most.

Nothing strange that USA have largest active tank fleet on the globe.

 

[asianobserve]

An interesting report from (of all channels) RT on surplus M1 and other US Army equipments depot in Sierra Nevada: